Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2016 February 6



Category:Establishments by country and year

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 * The result of the discussion was: split (non-admin closure) DavidLeighEllis (talk) 18:10, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose splitting Category:Establishments by country and year to Category:Establishments by country and year and Category:Establishments by year and country
 * Propose splitting Category:Disestablishments by country and year to Category:Disestablishments by country and year and Category:Disestablishments by year and country (added similar nomination one day later)
 * Nominator's rationale: split, currently Category:Establishments by country and year consists of two very distinct parts, the first ~1050 child categories are of very different format than the last ~170 child categories. I would suggest to put the bigger first part into a new Category:Establishments by year and country. The proposed split is similar to the existing split of Category:Establishments by country and decade and Category:Establishments by decade and country. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:04, 6 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Split per nom. This is how it should be. 89.242.138.169 (talk) 20:08, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Split Possibly Category:Establishments by country then year and Category:Establishments by year then country. However there are too many years for these to be useful, so that I would prefer to see then years being collected into centuries: Category:18th-century establishments by year then country, etc.  That should mean that no category can have more than 100 members, which is a manageable size.  Peterkingiron (talk) 19:55, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Support split. I think Peterkingiron has a good idea but frankly these are so rarely traversed that I think it's overkill in terms of categorization. I'd prefer all by years in one place for simplicity. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 10:42, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Support alt split per as categories with 1.000+ subcats ae hardly manageable. However I don't think the wording "by year then country" resp. vice versa is a significant improvement over "by year and country" resp. vice versa. --PanchoS (talk) 00:14, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm neutral on the further split as suggested by Peterkingiron. However, if further splitted, the names of the top categories should be changed accordingly to: Category:Establishments by century and country and Category:Disestablishments by century and country, i.e. change "year" to "century". Marcocapelle (talk) 08:51, 12 February 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Images by video game

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete, move images to game/franchise/series category, if needed (many are already where they need to be). Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:48, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting images by video game


 * Propose deleting audiosurf images


 * Propose deleting call of duty


 * Propose deleting littlebigplanet images


 * Propose deleting luigi's mansion images


 * Propose deleting metroid prime images


 * Propose deleting motorstorm images


 * Propose deleting sonic heroes images


 * Propose deleting sonic unleashed images


 * Propose deleting soul calibur images


 * Propose deleting super mario bros. images


 * Propose deleting super mario galaxy images


 * Propose deleting super smash bros. brawl images


 * Nominator's rationale: Nominating Category:Images by video game and all subcategories for deletion. Per WP:NFCC we are limited on the amount of video game images we can included on Wikipedia. So each subcategory is small with no potential growth. Furthermore, categorising images by individual games is dumb and pointless, equivalent to having a unique category for each video game, it is an obvious example of over-categorisation. Images should be placed in corresponding franchise/series categories. The1337gamer (talk) 10:23, 6 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete Upmerge to Category:Video game media, really per WP:SMALLCAT. RevelationDirect (talk) 10:30, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
 * All of the images are already subcategorised under video game media via more appropriate categories (e.g. Category:Video game covers, Category:Screenshots of video games‎). No merge is necessary. --The1337gamer (talk) 10:35, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Updated. RevelationDirect (talk) 23:59, 6 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Question:  Category:LittleBigPlanet images has 10 images, so does SMALLCAT apply? – Fayenatic  L ondon 20:46, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * No, 5 or above is outside WP:SMALLCAT in my book. If that one is kept, and I have no objection to doing so, it should be upmerged to Category:Video game media. RevelationDirect (talk) 01:54, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Neutral on nomination overall. But concerning Category:LittleBigPlanet images, if 12 sibling categories are treated in a certain way, I would also deal with the 13th sibling the same way (even) if it has 10 articles, just to be consistent. In this particular case, a single category with 10 articles may still fall under WP:SMALLCAT; the guideline doesn't give an absolute minimum, after all. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:00, 12 March 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Extroverts

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extroverts introverts
 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 12:08, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting


 * Nominator's rationale: Non-defining/subjective. DrKay (talk) 09:20, 6 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:32, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 20:52, 9 February 2016 (UTC)


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Colonial period in Yemen

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge for now. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:11, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:1886 establishments in Yemen to Category:19th-century establishments in Yemen, Category:1886 establishments in Asia and Category:1886 establishments in the British Empire
 * Propose merging Category:1905 establishments in Yemen to Category:20th-century establishments in the Aden Protectorate, Category:1905 establishments in Asia and Category:1905 establishments in the British Empire
 * Propose merging Category:1928 establishments in the Aden Protectorate to Category:20th-century establishments in the Aden Protectorate, Category:1928 establishments in Asia and Category:1928 establishments in the British Empire
 * Propose merging Category:1929 establishments in Yemen to Category:20th-century establishments in the Aden Protectorate, Category:1929 establishments in Asia and Category:1929 establishments in the British Empire
 * Propose merging Category:1934 in Yemen to Category:Kingdom of Yemen and Category:1934 in Asia
 * Propose merging Category:1947 in Yemen to Category:Kingdom of Yemen and Category:1947 in Asia
 * Propose merging Category:1947 in the Colony of Aden to Category:20th century in the Colony of Aden, Category:1947 in Asia and Category:1947 establishments in the British Empire


 * Propose merging Category:1948 in Yemen to Category:Kingdom of Yemen and Category:1948 in Asia
 * Propose merging Category:1949 in Yemen to Category:Kingdom of Yemen and Category:1949 in Asia
 * Propose merging Category:1949 establishments in the Colony of Aden to Category:20th-century establishments in the Colony of Aden, Category:1949 establishments in Asia and Category:1949 establishments in the British Empire
 * Propose merging Category:1950 in Yemen to Category:Kingdom of Yemen and Category:1950 in Asia
 * Propose merging Category:1950 establishments in Yemen to Category:Establishments in the Kingdom of Yemen and Category:1950 establishments in Asia
 * Propose merging Category:1951 establishments in North Yemen to Category:Establishments in the Kingdom of Yemen and Category:1951 establishments in Asia
 * Propose merging Category:1952 establishments in Yemen to Category:Establishments in the Kingdom of Yemen and Category:1952 establishments in Asia
 * Propose merging Category:1954 establishments in Yemen to Category:Establishments in the Kingdom of Yemen and Category:1954 establishments in Asia
 * Propose merging Category:1955 in the Colony of Aden to Category:20th century in the Colony of Aden, Category:1955 in Asia and Category:1955 in the British Empire
 * Propose merging Category:1957 establishments in Yemen to Category:20th-century establishments in the Colony of Aden, Category:1957 establishments in Asia and Category:1957 establishments in the British Empire
 * Propose merging Category:1958 establishments in Yemen to Category:Establishments in the Kingdom of Yemen and Category:1958 establishments in Asia
 * Propose merging Category:1959 in the Colony of Aden to Category:20th century in the Colony of Aden, Category:1959 in Asia and Category:1959 in the British Empire
 * Propose merging Category:1959 establishments in the Aden Protectorate to Category:20th-century establishments in the Aden Protectorate, Category:1959 establishments in Asia and Category:1959 establishments in the British Empire
 * Propose merging Category:1962 in Yemen to Category:1962 in North Yemen
 * Propose merging Category:1962 in the Colony of Aden to Category:20th century in the Colony of Aden, Category:1962 in Asia and Category:1962 in the British Empire
 * Propose merging Category:1963 disestablishments in Yemen to Category:1963 disestablishments in Asia and Category:1960s disestablishments in the British Empire
 * Propose merging Category:1964 in the Colony of Aden to Category:20th century in the Colony of Aden, Category:1964 in the Federation of South Arabia and Category:1964 in the British Empire


 * Propose deleting Category:Years in the Aden Protectorate
 * Propose deleting Category:Years of the 20th century in the Colony of Aden
 * Propose deleting Category:Years of the 20th century in the Aden Protectorate
 * Propose deleting Category:Decades in the Colony of Aden
 * Propose deleting Category:Decades in the Aden Protectorate
 * Propose deleting Category:Establishments in the Colony of Aden by year
 * Propose deleting Category:Establishments in the Colony of Aden by decade
 * Propose deleting Category:Establishments in the Aden Protectorate by year
 * Propose deleting Category:Establishments in the Aden Protectorate by decade
 * Propose deleting Category:1880s in Yemen
 * Propose deleting Category:1880s establishments in Yemen
 * Propose deleting Category:1900s in Yemen
 * Propose deleting Category:1920s in Yemen
 * Propose deleting Category:1920s establishments in the Aden Protectorate
 * Propose deleting Category:1930s in Yemen
 * Propose deleting Category:1940s in Yemen
 * Propose deleting Category:1940s in the Colony of Aden
 * Propose deleting Category:1940s establishments in the Colony of Aden
 * Propose deleting Category:1950s in Yemen
 * Propose deleting Category:1950s in the Colony of Aden
 * Propose deleting Category:1950s in the Aden Protectorate
 * Propose deleting Category:1950s establishments in the Aden Protectorate
 * Propose deleting Category:1960s in the Aden Protectorate
 * Propose deleting Category:1960s in the Colony of Aden


 * Nominator's rationale: per WP:SMALLCAT, these categories concern three small former countries (Colony of Aden, Aden Protectorate and Kingdom of Yemen), each with very little content in the colonial period: there is only one article per year (very occasionally two articles) in every of the nominated year categories, while many years do not have anything at all. The proposals aims at merging the years of the three former countries each to (20th) century level, each country with a century establishment subcat, while keeping Category:20th century in Yemen and Category:20th-century establishments in Yemen on top of the three former countries. After these mergers a lot of parent categories will become empty, these have been nominated for deletion. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:55, 6 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment -- I may be in a minority, but I think that Asia is too big an area to be a target. I would prefer us to have the target as a Middle East sub-continent, defined as the area bounded by Egypt, Turkey, and Iran with various seas.  This contains a multitude of small states, making this definition of the Middle East an appropriate parent.  Peterkingiron (talk) 20:00, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Reaction, presumably you mean to insert a whole additional tree of millennia, centuries, decades and years between continent level and country level, throughout the entire history. It would be nice if someone would like to implement that but I'm not so sure of anyone volunteering. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:44, 8 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Oppose - you cannot move those cats to a non-existing country. Yemen today refers to the "Yemeni Republic", which had not existed until the end of North Yemen Civil War.GreyShark (dibra) 22:07, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
 * None of the above nominations concerns a move from the Aden Protectorate to Yemen, or from the Colony of Aden to Yemen, so this is a really strange reason to oppose. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:17, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Greyshark is taking the bottom-up view, which says that the categories should reflect the exact name of whatever national entity existed at the time, even if that means you end up creating a whole load of redundant category hierarchies. Personally I take more of a top-down view, which regards categorisation as being primarily to make it easy to find stuff rather than being 100% accurate on historical names - it also makes it easier on templates if they have a simpler category tree to work with. So I'd always tend to drop the nuances like Kingdom of Yemen in favour of simply "Yemen" pre-1967 - that was its WP:COMMNONAME in any case, the only reason the article name is at Kingdom of is to distinguish it from the modern-day state, whereas for categories it's desirable to unify names as much as possible. Likewise I'd go for "Aden" cats rather than "Colony of Aden" and "State of Aden".Le Deluge (talk) 20:09, 30 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Support for now If some of the target categories get too large, we can figure out a way to split them out. That said, I really think we should use the non-Eurocentric term "West Asia".John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:57, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Trouble is "Middle East" is the WP:COMMONNAME in English so I'd always go for that. "Arabia" might work better as a neutral name, it's a fairly well-defined area culturally and geographically, that has had a bunch of bitty little emirates over the years.Le Deluge (talk) 20:09, 30 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Support for now but as above, my preference would be to drop eg "Kingdom of Yemen" cats in favour of simply "Yemen" etc. Incidentally, those interested in this kind of thing might like to look at this report once it has run in an hour or so, most of what's left in it are categories needed for establishments in former countries. Le Deluge (talk) 20:09, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Naming the category just "Yemen" instead of "Kingdom of Yemen" could be a bit confusing because the kingdom of Yemen was a lot smaller than the current country Yemen. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:43, 9 April 2016 (UTC)


 * General comment, a similar nomination as this one can be found on the 9 April page. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:43, 9 April 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Ukrainian American Veterans

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 12:09, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose Deletinng Category:Ukrainian American Veterans
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT
 * There is only one article, Ukrainian American Veterans, along with the logo file from the same article's infobox. (I don't see much room for growth, but no objection to recreating later if we can get up around 5 non-biography articles.) RevelationDirect (talk) 02:49, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: Notified Gamweb as the category creator and this discussion has been included in WikiProject Military history. – RevelationDirect (talk) 02:49, 6 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete -- I would prefer to see American people of Ukrainian descent‎ as the parent category for the whole tree. The two church categories might not fit comfortably in that, but since they are probably composed of people of that descent, it is not all that bad.  Peterkingiron (talk) 20:04, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
 * The actual article is under Category:Ukrainian American. RevelationDirect (talk) 01:28, 9 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete no need to divvy up American veterans by ethnicity. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 20:52, 9 February 2016 (UTC)


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