Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2016 January 12



Category:Snowtown murders

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 11:44, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting snowtown murders


 * Nominator's rationale: Category only contains 1 article, Snowtown murders. Tim! (talk) 20:33, 12 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Neutral. We could add Snowtown (film) to the category and also Snowtown since the article on the murders specifically says that the murders were defining for the town. But that's still only three articles.--Jahaza (talk) 16:43, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete -- The one article is already well categorised. The article says that only one of the murders was actually in Snowtown.  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:32, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - I don't see any reason to keep the category for just the film. The town article is at best tangential and it would be misleading to categorise it within Snowtown murders. Shadowmaster13 (talk) 10:36, 20 January 2016 (UTC)


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Category:DC Extended Universe actors

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 11:44, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting dc extended universe actors


 * Nominator's rationale: Another actor-by-universe category. Others have been removed, created by the same user. ‖ Ebyabe talk - General Health  ‖ 18:43, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:PERFCAT.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 13:50, 13 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete We can have categories about a film's or universes characters, but certainly not about its actors. How extensive would a category about long-running franchises like James Bond be? Dimadick (talk) 13:31, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete -- We do not allow performance by performer categories. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:32, 17 January 2016 (UTC)


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Category:People with eidetic memory

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 11:44, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting people with eidetic memory


 * Nominator's rationale: Our own article on Eidetic memory says it does not exist, so tagging people as "people with eidetic memory" is a little crazy. I saw this when a terrorist Abubakar Shekau was categorized as one. Legacypac (talk) 17:10, 12 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep As being defining (the claim that they have one), as backed up by the main article. Most of the articles in the category that I checked mention this in the lead of said article (IE this person is primarily known for having a eidetic memory, or their powers to recall things from memory). If there are articles in the category that you don't think belong there, they need pruning out. Abubakar Shekau is a classic case of someone adding a category that's not supported in the article text.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 10:02, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete not defining and apparently not true. Despite, the claim that it's defining, I'm sure that it's not how ANYONE defines Leonhard Euler, Ferdinand Marcos, Sukarno, Leonardo da Vinci, Nikola Tesla, John von Neumann, among others, eminent scientists and politicians by this claim. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 18:29, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - List of people claimed to possess an eidetic memory is sufficient to cover this topic, and does a better job contextualizing the controversial nature of the concept of eidetic memory. Ibadibam (talk) 00:32, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete Controversial subject, questionable historicity, and categories typically do not include sources on who is to be included. Lists are more appropriate here. Dimadick (talk) 13:34, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete -- The article says none of the claims are proven scientifically. If kept, rename to match the list article.  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:35, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - Everyone already pointed the reasons but it is quite a biased category. Jackninja5 (talk) 16:30, 19 January 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Mayors of Wildwood, New Jersey

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete and recategorize by article. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:32, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Mayors of Wildwood, New Jersey to Category:People from Wildwood, New Jersey
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. Only has two entries. Also merge the entries to Mayors of places in New Jersey. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 13:33, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Alternative Merge I would just put Mayor of Wildwood, New Jersey directly in Category:Wildwood, New Jersey; I support the nomination based on WP:SMALLCAT. RevelationDirect (talk) 18:53, 12 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete The one bio-article is already well categorised. The other item is a very incomplete list of mayors, with four names, the other three being redlinked.  The list article should probably be deleted or merged to that on the town.  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:39, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete not large enough to justify category.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:16, 23 January 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Carthusian literature

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 11:44, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting Category:Carthusian literature
 * Nominator's rationale: Per the spirit of WP:C1, an empty category.
 * Wikipedia doesn't have even a single article about Carthusian literature by this Catholic order. There is technically one article in the category right now but it doesn't belong there: The Cloud of Unknowing is an anonymous work that may have been written by a prominent Augustinian or "it is possible he was a Carthusian priest, though this is not certain." Even if we get some archaeological confirmation of authorship, that still leaves us with 1 article which runs afoul of WP:SMALLCAT. (No objection to recreating later if we can get up to around 5 articles.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 10:42, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: Notified Quinto Simmaco as the category creator and this discussion has been included in WikiProject Catholicism. – RevelationDirect (talk) 10:42, 12 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:07, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment I created this category as part of an ongoing project to categorise writings originating from within a monastic milieu. Each order can have radically different approaches to mysticism, devotions, canon law, and general practise. Thus, each of these categories was to have a category-specific parent article (i.e., in this case, "Carthusian literature") connected to a larger parent article, "Monastic literature", with the sections therein linked to those category-specific parent articles.
 * Unfortunately, life got in the way, as it often does, and the project was left unfinished. I was forced to take an extended wiki-break, and my activity on Wikipedia was almost nil. Hence the relatively empty category. Honestly, I'm ambivalent as to whether the category is deleted... However, it wouldn't be terribly difficult to fill in the category (in relatively short order); there are plenty of articles on Wikipedia concerning literary works by Carthusians, both specifically relating internally to the order, and otherwise. Though admittedly, there are considerably less articles than, say, for the Franciscan article. But doing this would render the reason for deletion moot, obviously. For that matter, it wouldn't be difficult to complete the project, without any possibility of WP:SYNTH; there are a wealth of reliable sources discussing this subject.


 * I was honestly surprised, when searching for works by authors within specific orders, that there were no such categories. Or parent article discussing the literary activity within these orders, given their rather prolific literary activity and traditions. In my opinion, it's something that could radically ease navigation. Though I suppose this is one of those topic areas that is something of a niche interest, and doesn't necessarily attract a great deal of traffic.


 * You're free to delete the category, if that's the consensus, of course. And as you say, it can indeed be re-created later. I guess my comment, aside from explaining why it was created is to pose the question: wouldn't it simply be easier to improve it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Quinto Simmaco (talk • contribs) 01:56, 14 January 2016
 * I actually did make a good faith effort to populate the category here but there are no articles currently on Wikipedia. RevelationDirect (talk) 09:28, 14 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete While I do agree that the literary output of monks and nuns is an encyclopedic matter of historical interest, subcategories by monastic order seem rather trivial. The order does not define the nature of the work. Unlikely to be well-populated either way. Dimadick (talk) 13:41, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete -- The only reference to the Carthusians in the article is that a member of the order made a translation. The article is already in monastic literature, so that I do not think any wider upmerging is needed.  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:44, 17 January 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Philias

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 11:45, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting philias


 * Nominator's rationale: This appears to be a category for topics whose name (or one of several names) contains "philia". That's not how we normally categorize wp articles. DexDor(talk) 05:07, 12 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete Per WP:SHAREDNAME unless we can build a category around Philia. RevelationDirect (talk) 10:51, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete philia is the Greek for love (in the sense of friendship). I do not see any point in a category for desciplines ending "-philia" any more than we would have a category for subjects ening in -ology.  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:47, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete since -philia often also means "sexual fetish", and it would probably be inappropriate to put non-sexual passions in with fetishes. Zeke, the Mad Horrorist  (Speak quickly) (Follow my trail) 02:47, 19 January 2016 (UTC)


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Category:American animation with black protagonist

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. It sounds like some differently named single category might be acceptable to users. Good Ol’factory (talk) 08:15, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

[⮤ parent category. is "person of color" a term we currently use around here?] [⮤ the original nominated category, which I saw while reading about The Boondocks (TV series)] [⮤ note another inconsistency "as"] [⮤ this one seems grammatically correct. but that plurality issue... see below.]
 * american animation with person of color as protagonist
 * american animation with black protagonist
 * american animation with asian protagonist‎
 * american animation with middle eastern protagonist‎
 * american animation with native american protagonist‎
 * american animation with native hawaiian as protagonist‎
 * american animation with multiracial protagonists‎


 * Nominator's rationale: Grammatically incorrect. No opinion on whether this category should exist. If kept, it should at least be renamed to American animation with a black protagonist or something like that (but that still seems badly worded). Also no opinion on whether such a category, if it exists, should allow for the use of multiple protagonists over the duration of one cartoon. Hypothetically. ―cobaltcigs 01:27, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Update: tagged other related categories, listed entire tree above. ―cobaltcigs 08:58, 12 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment. The current name is consistent with the other subcategories of Category:American animation with person of color as protagonist - perhaps they should be renamed/deleted as well. DexDor(talk) 05:52, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your suggestion. I've penciled them in. ―cobaltcigs 08:58, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment: See, I had thought "person of color" was a deprecated term. There was something in the news recently about an actor referring to other actors as "coloured" and catching a lot of shit for it. If the intended meaning of the category is in fact "not white" maybe the category title should say that, somehow (just don't ask me on that). But only if we really want to have a parent-category-of-exclusion. Surely there's some way to avoid that? ―cobaltcigs 09:20, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
 * "Colored" and "person of color" are not the same term. Both date to the late 1700s. The former became the preferred term after the 1860s, and began to fall out of use in the 1960s. The latter was revived in the 1970s and is increasingly favored by current anti-racist activists as the preferred term. It is semantically equivalent to "non-white", except that it defines a group by something they are, rather than something they are not, which is part of the appeal to those who use it. Ibadibam (talk) 00:04, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete the "race" of fictional people is not defining, shows are not defined by containing such characters. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 18:30, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Rename - Most of these works, particularly those with black protagonists, address the experiences of racial and ethnic groups as a central theme. In addition, the tendency for American media producers to use white protagonists by "default" means that to do otherwise is often a deliberate, thoughtful choice, intended as a core characteristic of the work. That's enough to make these categories defining. I think there's no question that these need to be renamed to at least include an indefinite article after "with". It may also be appropriate to reconsider the scope of the categories to something a bit broader, perhaps Category:African Americans in American animation (cf. Category:African-Americans in comic strips). Ibadibam (talk) 00:04, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment While I disagree with Carlossuarez46 that the ethnic origin of a fictional character is not defining, it nearly always is, I am a bit surprised at how tiny this entire category tree is. 6 subcategories of American animation with person of color as protagonist for a total of 25 articles. There might be enough material for one category, but not the subcategories. And parent category Category:Person of color only has 4 articles. Is the topic of "person of color" notable? Dimadick (talk) 13:57, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete -- Describing Chinese, Hawaiians etc as "persons of color" goes back to the race bar in the American south.  WP should not be encouraging this.  It is insulting to a native Chinese man in China to call him colored. A narrower Category:African Americans in American animation might be acceptable.  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:52, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
 * So the biggest issue is with the parent category? What would be a more neutral title? Perhaps Category:Portrayal of ethnicity in American animation or Category:American animation by protagonist's ethnicity? Ibadibam (talk) 19:49, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - Wow, we really have a politically incorrect name for a category here? Also, I agree with, "African Americans in American animation" seems acceptable, plus it is grammatically correct too. Jackninja5 (talk) 16:36, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete we do not categorize by race. Beyond this, race is not defining in fiction.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:17, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
 * We've got tons of categories under Category:People by ethnicity and fiction-related categories like Category:African-Americans in comic strips. I have said above why I think race is defining in fiction. Why do you think it's not? Ibadibam (talk) 03:30, 2 February 2016 (UTC)


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Category:New Orleans Jazz

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. I've made it into a disambiguation category. Good Ol’factory (talk) 08:18, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting converting to category disambiguation page new orleans jazz


 * Nominator's rationale: New Orleans Jazz is synonymous with Dixieland, which is already covered by Category:Dixieland. Ibadibam (talk) 00:00, 12 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Question, what if anything used to be in the category. RevelationDirect (talk) 01:08, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for reminding me to cover that. The sole member of the category, as I found it today, was Dixieland. That is to say, the article Dixieland was a member of Category:New Orleans Jazz, which in turn is a member of Category:Dixieland. The category under discussion was originally about the basketball team, but this was cut-and-paste moved to Category:New Orleans Jazz (NBA team) (see ). Ibadibam (talk) 01:29, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
 * This was original a category for the basketball team that moved to Utah. It has no business existing in this form.--Mike Selinker (talk) 03:04, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Convert to Redirect I'm open to turning it back into a redirect to Category:Utah Jazz basketball team. RevelationDirect (talk) 09:47, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Given that there is still Category:New Orleans Jazz (NBA team) distinct from Category:Utah Jazz, perhaps that would be a more fitting redirect target? Ibadibam (talk) 18:11, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Sure, that would be better. I'm also open to deletion. RevelationDirect (talk) 18:54, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete – New Orleans Jazz is a dab page with several meanings. Oculi (talk) 12:28, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Convert to Category disambiguation page. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:09, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete whether it's about music or basketball, it's empty. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 18:31, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Convert to Category disambiguation page per Fayenatic london's proposal. Dimadick (talk) 14:00, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment as nominator - Given that the article that shares this category's title is a disambiguation page, it seems fitting that this should be a category disambiguation, per Fayenatic london above. I am amending my nomination. Ibadibam (talk) 03:33, 2 February 2016 (UTC)


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