Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2016 January 22



Category:Female record producers

 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 07:09, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting female record producers


 * Nominator's rationale: WP:Overcategorization; there is already Category:Record producers, which can be used for both male and female subjects. Having both is redundant. Snuggums (talk / edits) 23:24, 22 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment Since so few of the first names in this tree seem to be female, this intersection must still be theoretically defining. In practice though, I'm concerned though that all three of the current people in the category (Beyoncé, Sia Furler, Alanis Morissette) are singers who are not well known for producing records. RevelationDirect (talk) 11:51, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
 * While being a record producer can be defining for both males and females, I'm saying we only need the singular gender-neutral "Record producers" category for both. I do agree though that it is problematic how it is being used for women not particularly known for producing records. Snuggums (talk / edits)
 * Delete for Now Although I think this category might have the potential to be worthwhile, it's not today. RevelationDirect (talk) 03:14, 25 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Per WP:EGRS, we do not automatically create gendered subcategories for every single occupational category that exists in the realm of human career endeavour — we create them only where gender has a substantive relationship to the topic: "women writers" categories are valid, for example, because "literature by women" is a subject of academic study as a thing in its own right; "sportswomen" categories are valid because with exceedingly rare exceptions men and women in sports don't directly compete against each other, but instead each participate almost exclusively in their own separate single-gender competitions. But there are many other categories where gender is not germane to the grouping, and we accordingly don't create gendered subcategories for those occupations. I'm not aware of any substantive or encyclopedic relationship between gender and record production — there is, for example, no academic literature or research that I'm aware of on the question of whether women produce records in a different way than men do, nor are "records produced by women" treated by real-world sources as a distinct thing from "records produced by men" (the gender of the performer plays a role in how the music is contextualized and marketed, sure, but not the gender of the producer.) So there's just not a lot of value added here. Delete. Bearcat (talk) 02:30, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Question Do women perform significantly differently from men in this profession? It think not.  For Writers and Performers gender may be significant, but not producers.  If you agree, Merge back to Category:Record producers.  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:48, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Merge to Category:Record producers no reliable sources that record producers perform differently by sex (or pretty much anything else)... Carlossuarez46 (talk) 18:53, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep Record producers is an oddly divided category, but has multiple ways it is devided. Just a quick search showed up this article that deals with female record producers . The fact that the producers of most music, but especially hip hop, are overwhelmingly male, comes up a lot in discussions about it being mysoginistic. Clearly we could write articles on this topic that are more than just lists.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:31, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment since record producers are divided by nationality and genre, we should not merge to the general category. I have found Estelle Axton who is known for being a record producer, not a music performer, and probably will find others.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:33, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment I have added a lot of new people, some of whom like Wilma Cozart Fine are only notable as record producers.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:07, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:EGRS; no particular distinction made in the record production literature between women and men. Replace every instance of Category:Female record producers with Category:Record producers. Binksternet (talk) 22:58, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete, don't merge per Johnpacklambert. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:24, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep Well-populated category on an interesting minority of producers. Dimadick (talk) 20:07, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
 * WP:INTERESTING is not in itself a valid reason for retaining something. Snuggums (<b style="color:#454545">talk</b> / <b style="color:#454545">edits</b>) 22:03, 4 February 2016 (UTC)


 * The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

1st to 3rd-century BC establishments
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 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was: Double upmerge all, delete container categories. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 21:05, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose merge Category:31 BC establishments to Category:30s BC establishments and Category:31 BC
 * Propose merge Category:35 BC establishments to Category:30s BC establishments and Category:35 BC
 * Propose merge Category:37 BC establishments to Category:30s BC establishments and Category:37 BC
 * Propose merge Category:38 BC establishments to Category:30s BC establishments and Category:38 BC
 * Propose merge Category:41 BC establishments to Category:40s BC establishments and Category:41 BC


 * Propose merge Category:43 BC establishments to Category:40s BC establishments and Category:43 BC
 * Propose merge Category:48 BC establishments to Category:40s BC establishments and Category:48 BC
 * Propose merge Category:40s BC establishments in the Roman Republic to Category:40s BC establishments and Category:1st-century BC establishments in the Roman Republic
 * Propose merge Category:50 BC establishments to Category:50s BC establishments and Category:50 BC
 * Propose merge Category:52 BC establishments to Category:50s BC establishments and Category:52 BC
 * Propose merge Category:57 BC establishments to Category:50s BC establishments and Category:57 BC
 * Propose merge Category:57 BC establishments in Asia to Category:50s BC establishments in Asia and Category:57 BC
 * Propose merge Category:50s BC establishments in the Roman Republic to Category:50s BC establishments and Category:1st-century BC establishments in the Roman Republic
 * Propose merge Category:58 BC establishments to Category:50s BC establishments and Category:58 BC
 * Propose merge Category:59 BC establishments to Category:50s BC establishments and Category:59 BC
 * Propose merge Category:60 BC establishments to Category:60s BC establishments and Category:60 BC
 * Propose merge Category:64 BC establishments to Category:60s BC establishments and Category:64 BC
 * Propose merge Category:70 BC establishments to Category:70s BC establishments and Category:70 BC
 * Propose merge Category:79 BC establishments to Category:70s BC establishments and Category:79 BC
 * Propose merge Category:82 BC establishments to Category:80s BC establishments and Category:82 BC
 * Propose merge Category:90 BC establishments to Category:90s BC establishments and Category:90 BC
 * Propose merge Category:110 BC establishments to Category:110s BC establishments and Category:110 BC
 * Propose merge Category:111 BC establishments to Category:110s BC establishments and Category:111 BC
 * Propose merge Category:118 BC establishments to Category:110s BC establishments and Category:118 BC
 * Propose merge Category:110s BC establishments in Italy to Category:110s BC establishments in Europe and Category:2nd-century BC establishments in Italy
 * Propose merge Category:110s BC establishments in the Roman Republic to Category:110s BC establishments in Europe and Category:2nd-century BC establishments in the Roman Republic
 * Propose merge Category:121 BC establishments to Category:120s BC establishments and Category:121 BC
 * Propose merge Category:123 BC establishments to Category:120s BC establishments and Category:123 BC
 * Propose merge Category:132 BC establishments in Asia to Category:130s BC establishments in Asia and Category:132 BC
 * Propose merge Category:133 BC establishments in Asia to Category:130s BC establishments in Asia and Category:133 BC
 * Propose merge Category:134 BC establishments in China to Category:130s BC establishments in Asia and Category:2nd-century BC establishments in China and Category:134 BC
 * Propose merge Category:138 BC establishments to Category:130s BC establishments and Category:138 BC
 * Propose merge Category:146 BC establishments to Category:140s BC establishments and Category:146 BC
 * Propose merge Category:140s BC establishments in Italy to Category:140s BC establishments in Europe and Category:2nd-century BC establishments in Italy
 * Propose merge Category:140s BC establishments in the Roman Republic to Category:140s BC establishments in Europe and Category:2nd-century BC establishments in the Roman Republic
 * Propose merge Category:140s BC establishments in China to Category:140s BC establishments in Asia and Category:2nd-century BC establishments in China
 * Propose merge Category:150s BC establishments in Italy to Category:150s BC establishments in Europe and Category:2nd-century BC establishments in Italy
 * Propose merge Category:150s BC establishments in the Roman Republic to Category:150s BC establishments in Europe and Category:2nd-century BC establishments in the Roman Republic
 * Propose merge Category:163 BC establishments to Category:160s BC establishments and Category:163 BC
 * Propose merge Category:167 BC establishments to Category:160s BC establishments and Category:167 BC
 * Propose merge Category:168 BC establishments to Category:160s BC establishments and Category:168 BC
 * Propose merge Category:160s BC establishments in the Adena culture to Category:160s BC establishments in North America and Category:2nd-century BC establishments in the Adena culture
 * Propose merge Category:171 BC establishments to Category:170s BC establishments and Category:171 BC
 * Propose merge Category:177 BC establishments to Category:170s BC establishments and Category:177 BC
 * Propose merge Category:180 BC establishments to Category:180s BC establishments and Category:180 BC
 * Propose merge Category:183 BC establishments to Category:180s BC establishments and Category:183 BC
 * Propose merge Category:184 BC establishments to Category:180s BC establishments and Category:184 BC
 * Propose merge Category:185 BC establishments to Category:180s BC establishments and Category:185 BC
 * Propose merge Category:189 BC establishments to Category:180s BC establishments and Category:189 BC
 * Propose merge Category:180s BC establishments in Italy to Category:180s BC establishments in Europe and Category:2nd-century BC establishments in Italy
 * Propose merge Category:180s BC establishments in the Roman Republic to Category:180s BC establishments in Europe and Category:2nd-century BC establishments in the Roman Republic
 * Propose merge Category:191 BC establishments to Category:190s BC establishments and Category:191 BC
 * Propose merge Category:195 BC establishments to Category:190s BC establishments and Category:195 BC
 * Propose merge Category:197 BC establishments in Spain to Category:190s BC establishments in Europe and Category:2nd-century BC establishments in Spain and Category:197 BC
 * Propose merge Category:201 BC establishments to Category:200s BC establishments and Category:201 BC
 * Propose merge Category:202 BC establishments to Category:200s BC establishments and Category:202 BC
 * Propose merge Category:203 BC establishments to Category:200s BC establishments and Category:203 BC
 * Propose merge Category:204 BC establishments in China to Category:200s BC establishments in Asia and Category:3rd-century BC establishments in China and Category:204 BC
 * Propose merge Category:204 BC establishments in Vietnam to Category:200s BC establishments in Asia and Category:3rd-century BC establishments in Vietnam and Category:204 BC
 * Propose merge Category:206 BC establishments to Category:200s BC establishments and Category:206 BC
 * Propose merge Category:207 BC establishments to Category:200s BC establishments and Category:207 BC
 * Propose merge Category:200s BC establishments in Peru to Category:200s BC establishments in South America and Category:3rd-century BC establishments in Peru
 * Propose merge Category:214 BC establishments to Category:210s BC establishments and Category:214 BC
 * Propose merge Category:218 BC establishments to Category:210s BC establishments and Category:218 BC
 * Propose merge Category:221 BC establishments to Category:220s BC establishments and Category:221 BC
 * Propose merge Category:220s BC establishments in the Maya civilization to Category:220s BC establishments in North America and Category:3rd-century BC establishments in Peru
 * Propose merge Category:238 BC establishments to Category:230s BC establishments and Category:238 BC
 * Propose merge Category:241 BC establishments to Category:240s BC establishments and Category:241 BC
 * Propose merge Category:245 BC establishments to Category:240s BC establishments and Category:245 BC
 * Propose merge Category:247 BC establishments to Category:240s BC establishments and Category:247 BC
 * Propose merge Category:240s BC establishments in Italy to Category:240s BC establishments in Europe and Category:3rd-century BC establishments in Italy
 * Propose merge Category:240s BC establishments in the Roman Republic to Category:240s BC establishments in Europe and Category:3rd-century BC establishments in the Roman Republic
 * Propose merge Category:256 BC establishments to Category:250s BC establishments and Category:256 BC
 * Propose merge Category:257 BC establishments to Category:250s BC establishments and Category:257 BC
 * Propose merge Category:257 BC establishments in Vietnam to Category:250s BC establishments in Asia and Category:3rd-century BC establishments in Vietnam and Category:257 BC
 * Propose merge Category:261 BC establishments to Category:260s BC establishments and Category:261 BC
 * Propose merge Category:264 BC establishments to Category:260s BC establishments and Category:264 BC
 * Propose merge Category:268 BC establishments to Category:260s BC establishments and Category:268 BC
 * Propose merge Category:280 BC establishments to Category:280s BC establishments and Category:280 BC
 * Propose merge Category:281 BC establishments to Category:280s BC establishments and Category:281 BC
 * Propose merge Category:282 BC establishments in Asia to Category:280s BC establishments in Asia and Category:282 BC
 * Propose merge Category:294 BC establishments to Category:290s BC establishments and Category:294 BC
 * Propose merge Category:297 BC establishments to Category:290s BC establishments and Category:297 BC
 * Propose merge Category:290s BC establishments in Italy to Category:290s BC establishments in Europe and Category:3rd-century BC establishments in Italy
 * Propose merge Category:290s BC establishments in the Roman Republic to Category:290s BC establishments in Europe and Category:3rd-century BC establishments in the Roman Republic


 * Propose delete Category:50s BC establishments by country
 * Propose delete Category:110s BC establishments by country
 * Propose delete Category:134 BC establishments
 * Propose delete Category:134 BC establishments by country
 * Propose delete Category:130s BC establishments in China
 * Propose delete Category:130s BC establishments by country
 * Propose delete Category:140s BC establishments by country
 * Propose delete Category:160s BC establishments by country
 * Propose delete Category:180s BC establishments by country
 * Propose delete Category:197 BC establishments
 * Propose delete Category:197 BC establishments by country
 * Propose delete Category:190s BC establishments in Spain
 * Propose delete Category:190s BC establishments by country
 * Propose delete Category:204 BC establishments
 * Propose delete Category:204 BC establishments by country
 * Propose delete Category:200s BC establishments in Vietnam
 * Propose delete Category:200s BC establishments by country
 * Propose delete Category:220s BC establishments by country
 * Propose delete Category:240s BC establishments by country
 * Propose delete Category:257 BC establishments by country
 * Propose delete Category:250s BC establishments by country
 * Propose delete Category:250s BC establishments in Vietnam


 * Nominator's rationale: merge years to decades by continent, and merge years by country to centuries by country, per WP:SMALLCAT, nearly all final rungs consist of only one article. Note: this nomination only deals with the period prior to the establishment of the Roman Empire (i.e. before 27 BC). Marcocapelle (talk) 10:36, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Marcocapelle (talk) 23:04, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose we lose the connection with the year. For example, by merging Category:31 BC establishments into Category:30s BC establishments, the articles can no longer be found in the tree Category:31 BC. Just because the categories are small, WP:SMALLCAT has an express limitation "unless such categories are part of a large overall accepted sub-categorization scheme"; establishment by years is clearly such a sub-categorization scheme. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 19:49, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Support -- but a double merge is needed for Category:31 BC establishments also to Category:31 BC. These annual categories are something of a menace, as the ancient ones are always small; and the establishment ones are worse.  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:44, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Support double merge per Peterkingiron Laurel Lodged (talk) 22:12, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, then I'll add the double merge in the nomination instead of withdrawing the nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:15, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Support per nominator's rationale. 8bitW (talk) 17:35, 1 February 2016 (UTC)


 * The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.