Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2016 July 1



Category:Business organisations based in France

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 * The result of the discussion was: reverse merge. -- Tavix ( talk ) 19:36, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Business organisations based in France to Category:Business organizations in France
 * Nominator's rationale: Complete overlap Rathfelder (talk) 22:52, 1 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Query – has the nom consulted the creator and sole editor of this recent and apparently superfluous category? Oculi (talk) 01:38, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Support per WP:OVERLAPCAT RevelationDirect (talk) 02:21, 2 July 2016 (UTC)


 * I think, because it's some time ago, that I need agreement to undo my mistake. Rathfelder (talk) 06:46, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment – my recollection is that the format 'based in Foo' was chosen at cfd (over 'in Foo' or 'of Foo' or 'Fooish'), and hence we have Category:Organizations based in France and not Category:Organizations in France, Category:Organizations of France or Category:French organizations. McDonald's would be an organisation in France, but not based in France. (It should be 'z', to follow the top category in France.) Anyway I would prefer a reverse merge (with a 'z'). Oculi (talk) 10:29, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Here we are: June 2006. Oculi (talk) 10:34, 2 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom The rest of the subcategories of use the format "organizations in", not "organizations based in". Dimadick (talk) 14:16, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Reverse merge -- I would expect France to use British orthography. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:29, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Merge in either direction, the two categories obviously have the same purpose. Tip for people who are eager to harmonize the use of 's' or 'z' within a country, have a look at Category:Organizations based in France by subject. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:19, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Reverse merge as the parent uses "based in". The sub-categories can then be speedily renamed as per WP:C2C. ~ Rob 13 Talk 16:50, 10 July 2016 (UTC)


 * "based in" a place doesn't always work. Sometimes what is needed in the category is a presence in a place.  I've gone to some trouble to set up Category:Charities operating in another country but I don't think it is feasible to do the same for all kinds of organisations. Rathfelder (talk) 10:28, 11 July 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Industry trade groups based in the United States

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 * The result of the discussion was: reverse merge. -- Tavix ( talk ) 19:32, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Industry trade groups based in the United States to Category:Trade associations based in the United States
 * Nominator's rationale: Complete overlap Rathfelder (talk) 21:31, 1 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Combine The outcome of this nomination should match the one above, whether I agree with it or not. RevelationDirect (talk) 02:23, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
 * We have two separate trees, one based on Category:Business organizations and the other, based on Category:Trade associations, which then goes down to Category:Industry trade groups by country. The two overlap considerably, and I don't think it makes sense at the level of individual countries.  Possibly not for individual industries either.  Most of these organisations perform both functions, and often serve as Category:Professional associations too.Rathfelder (talk) 06:52, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Merge Separate categories here are redundant. DavidLeighEllis (talk) 01:55, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Reverse merge. The parent is Category:Industry trade groups by country. ~ Rob 13 Talk 16:51, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Reverse merge per Rob. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:19, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm quite happy with the reverse merger.Rathfelder (talk) 10:43, 28 July 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Horror comedy

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. We're not going to keep moving categories back and forth as editors move around the main article. Achieve a stable article title at WP:RM and then renominate as necessary. ~ Rob 13 Talk 06:02, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Horror comedy to Category:Comedy horror
 * Propose renaming Category:Horror comedy films to Category:Comedy horror films
 * Nominator's rationale: To correspond with article and rest of category tree. Fortdj33 (talk) 19:08, 1 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Speedy per both WP:C2C and WP:C2D. Clearly overlaps and probably created in error not realizing the tree already existed under the opposite name.RevelationDirect (talk) 02:25, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment: The Speedy criteria do not apply as this would be a move back following the recent CfD at Categories_for_discussion/Log/2016_June_20. – Fayenatic  L ondon 23:46, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
 * It's worth noting that the previous CFD was made solely based on the title of an article, and didn't take into account the names of all the subcategories, or the associated stub tag for comedy-horror films. Fortdj33 (talk) 15:52, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Which is how WP:C2D works. RevelationDirect (talk) 09:03, 7 July 2016 (UTC)


 * It would be nice if we could settle on a single title at horror comedy/comedy horror and this category. "horror comedy" is good enough.  Doing a Google search at Fangoria, there are 1120 hits for "horror comedy" and 62  for "comedy horror".  At Variety, there are 912 for "horror comedy" and 107 for "comedy horror".  And, at Starburst, there are 158 hits for "horror comedy" and 61 for "comedy horror".  The subcats should probably all be renamed to fit this scheme, and the main article should be moved back (and move protected). NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 16:47, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose for Now/Wrong Venue/Favor RM I have no opinion on the main article name that the nominator boldly moved. I think a form RM on the article will involve more editors and, regardless of whether that happens, give us a formal decision to standardize naming. The categories should blindly match the main article name in my view, but if that article name is in flux the categories will keep moving back and forth. RevelationDirect (talk) 09:03, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
 * NOTE: This should be closed in conjunction with the reverse proposal for the subcats at Categories_for_discussion/Log/2016_June_28. – Fayenatic  L ondon 18:42, 7 July 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Fisheries organizations

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 * The result of the discussion was: this appears to be at least somewhat resolved, and there's no consensus on any further action at this time. -- Tavix ( talk ) 17:05, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Fisheries organizations to Category:Fishing organisations
 * Propose renaming Category:Fisheries organizations to Category:Fisheries management organizations
 * Nominator's rationale: Overlapping. No obvious differentiation. Could split out scientific, commercial and sport organisations more usefully. Rathfelder (talk) 12:47, 1 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Oppose Merge/Open to Rename The fisheries grouping is trying to group commercial fishing oversight organizations, often based on treaties or laws, and the target group is trying to group recreational and sports fishing organizations. The names are unclear though: perhaps we could rename Category:Fishing organisations to Category:Recreational fishing organisations and place it under Category:Recreational fishing? RevelationDirect (talk) 02:16, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
 * That would certainly help. and perhaps also Category:scientific fishing organisations?Rathfelder (talk) 06:43, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep Category:Fishing organisations as a parent category (as at present). Create Category:Recreational fishing organisations as a subcat. Move articles into appropriate subcats. Doesn't need cfd. Oculi (talk) 10:52, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment Since there was no objection, I created the recreational category. How about renaming Category:Fisheries organizations to Category:Fisheries management organizations to match Fisheries management? The might require a little cleanup with a few articles, but it would avoid the ambiguity with the current naming. - RevelationDirect (talk) 22:22, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
 * very happy with that. And I've discovered Category:Fisheries and aquaculture research institutes which sorts out the other articles.Rathfelder (talk) 22:25, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Updated Nom Per above discussion. (Note that Ocuuli was commenting on the original delete nomination.) RevelationDirect (talk) 03:57, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom The organizations' activity and the category scope becomes clearer with the new name. Dimadick (talk) 07:24, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Supercategory, includes fisheries conservation organizations, fisheries agencies, and fisheries research organizations. All are focused on fisheries, but with different objectives (management, conservation, research). Keep category name as is. Thanks, DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 17:20, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
 * What are we doing with subcategories? They aren't necessarily management organizations, especially the research institutes. I'm leaning oppose unless we have a clear plan for those subcategories. This sounds like rescoping rather than just renaming. ~ Rob 13 Talk 05:59, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I think this can be closed. We have worked out a solution.Rathfelder (talk) 10:29, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Merge as originally nominated. The distinction between the two categories remains unclear, even if renamed. I wouldn't mind creating subcategories for companies and trade associations though. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:31, 14 July 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Arrangement of the Quran

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 * The result of the discussion was: relisted here. ~ Rob 13 Talk 05:54, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Arrangement of the Quran to Category:Components of the Quran
 * Nominator's rationale: rename to align with the (recently renamed) parent Category:Components of intellectual works. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:11, 1 July 2016 (UTC)


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Category:National opposition cabinets of New Zealand

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 * The result of the discussion was: Renamed. (non-admin closure)  Omni Flames  ( talk ) 01:23, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:National opposition cabinets of New Zealand to Category:Shadow cabinets of New Zealand
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename - the term "shadow cabinet" is widely used in New Zealand rather than "opposition cabinet". The current name has problems for other reasons. Firstly, there is no opposition/shadow cabinet other than in the national parliament, so the first word is redundant; secondly, one of the country's two main political parties is the National Party, so the current name is decidedly ambiguous. Grutness...wha?  01:55, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
 * further note: The whole of the parent is in need of some serious work, by the looks of it - the key article is capitalised as Shadow Cabinet, and the articles seem to be a mix'n'match of capitalised and uncapitalised. The subcategory  also seems redundant (and confused, since it also contains regional cabinets). Grutness...wha?  02:01, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I would second this. I find the term shadow cabinet is the most commonly used (example here) despite not being official parliamentary positions. The point of disambiguation with the name "National" is also worthy of changing this in itself.Kiwichris (talk) 10:25, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Support strongly under both heads. The current contents are entirely from the Labour party when it was the main party in opposition to a National-led government. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 05:11, 3 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Support -- but this needs to be followed up by merging Category:National opposition cabinets to Category:Shadow cabinets: the majority of the content of this uses the form "shadow", not "opposition". Nevertheless, no shadow cabinet is feasible except in countries where one party dominates the opposition.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:37, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Support -- with merging/changing other "National opposition" categories to "shadow cabinet"; some are regional (not national) in provinces or states (eg Quebec). Hugo999 (talk) 05:15, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Question, why not rename to Category:Frontbench teams of New Zealand? - since all articles are named like that. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:24, 9 July 2016 (UTC)


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