Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2016 July 2



Category:11th-century BCE Judaism

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 * The result of the discussion was: procedural close. This category can be deleted as per WP:C1 with no prejudice against the reorganization at the other discussion. This category would need to be deleted anyway to make room for the renames you proposed at the other discussion, . We rename categories via moves, not via creation of a new category. (non-admin closure) ~ Rob 13 Talk 18:00, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting 11th-century bce judaism


 * Nominator's rationale: empty Editor2020 (talk) 22:55, 2 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Is there no speedy deletion mechanism for categories? I agree that it does appear empty. -- Kendrick7talk 03:17, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Merge Category:11th-century BC Judaism to this category per this earlier discussion. I've tagged Category:11th-century BC Judaism for that purpose as well. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:18, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Convert to category redirect. Since this is a Jewish subject, we should have a BCE format category defined.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:38, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
 * IGNORE THIS NOMINATION, See: Categories for discussion/Log/2016 June 21: SEE Proposal renaming Category:11th-century BC Hebrew people to Category:11th-century BCE Hebrew people :Nominator's rationale: I started this one, but the entire series from "10th-century..." and onwards, see examples: Category:10th-century BC Judaism etc, etc, etc, need to be changed from "BC" to BCE" since this is about Judaism that does not believe in Jesus hence the choice of "BC" needs to read as "BCE" as per the article Common Era. IZAK (talk) 16:33, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Please withdraw my nomination as a category reorganization is in process, per IZAK. Editor2020 (talk) 01:57, 6 July 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Non-profit medical advocacy

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. ~ Rob 13 Talk 05:44, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting non-profit medical advocacy


 * Nominator's rationale: Poorly defined. Almost all patient oriented organisations advocate on behalf of their beneficiaries. Rathfelder (talk) 22:23, 2 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. The one article in the category is already properly categorized in Category:Patients' organizations. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:30, 9 July 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Actor

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 * The result of the discussion was: speedy delete, G11. User who created category is self-promoting. The articles in the category were classified into better categories. —C.Fred (talk) 21:08, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting actor


 * Nominator's rationale: Duplicate of Category:Actors.

Page does not qualify as a CSD A10 because it is not an article. Hx7 20:23, 2 July 2016 (UTC) This category only consists of 4 BLPs, so it may be worth moving those within the duplicated category to the correct cat. Hx7 20:28, 2 July 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Franciscans

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. Consensus is to keep the current name. (non-admin closure) SST  flyer  12:44, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Franciscans to Category:Franciscan people
 * Nominator's rationale: The current name is confusing; the contents of this category, which contains people, are not in line with the article of the same name, i.e. Franciscans, which is about Franciscan spirituality in general (and probably needs a rename itself). Jujutsuan  ( Please notify with &#123;&#123;re&#125;&#125; talk &#x7C; contribs) 15:16, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Disagree Per WP:COMMONNAME. OP is correct the article of the same name needs clean up. I would also add that we have Category:Cistercians, Category:Jesuits, etc. for other Catholic groups. The fact that didn't consider to put them all up together in one CfD suggests he is not much of an expert in the subject. -- Kendrick7talk 03:33, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I didn't put them all together not because of a competence issue, but because I'm specifically involved in a cleanup of Franciscan-related articles. See the RfC at Talk:Order of Friars Minor.  These articles and their organization has been a mess.  Cleaning up one order at a time is quite enough to tackle at once.   Jujutsuan  ( Please notify with &#123;&#123;re&#125;&#125; talk &#x7C; contribs) 17:25, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Mea culpa,  you do seem to be doing yeoman's work here in general cleaning this area of knowledge up; but, I still feel you're being a bit pedantic in this particular case. I'm generally not a fan of WP:CREEP but I've put a note in the category header which should address your completely reasonable concern that this cat should only apply to people. -- Kendrick7talk 00:09, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I see that the analogous people categories for other orders are similarly named. So to avoid breaking consistency I've instead started an RM over at Franciscans; hopefully that will go through and clear up the inconsistent, confusing names.  Jujutsuan  ( Please notify with &#123;&#123;re&#125;&#125; talk &#x7C; contribs) 02:08, 6 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Oppose The main article is called Franciscans and defines the term as "people and groups (religious orders) who adhere to the teachings and spiritual disciplines of St Francis of Assisi". "Fransciscan people" sounds like a neologism. Dimadick (talk) 14:22, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, the main article is about "people and groups"; this category is about people only, while the main category for "people and groups" is Category:Franciscan spirituality, as it should be. Jujutsuan  ( Please notify with &#123;&#123;re&#125;&#125; talk &#x7C; contribs) 17:25, 3 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Oppose -- The common name for members of the order is the present name. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:40, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Common name for members of the order. -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:21, 4 July 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Medical and health organisations in Russia

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 * The result of the discussion was: redirected to exisiting category  Tim! (talk) 10:56, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting medical and health organisations in russia


 * Nominator's rationale: accidentally created Rathfelder (talk) 08:58, 2 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Speedy Per WP:G7. Any admin can take care of this for you. RevelationDirect (talk) 09:59, 2 July 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Dances by name

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 * The result of the discussion was: selective merge of any articles not in the Dances tree. ~ Rob 13 Talk 05:47, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Dances by name to Category:Dances
 * Nominator's rationale: "by name" is not a useful descriptor or subcategory SFB 01:53, 2 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Ill-defined category that could basically include every dance which is not nameless. Dimadick (talk) 14:24, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete, not merge, as the member pages should already be in other relevant sub-cats of ; but check this first, and also that they are included in the page List of dances. – Fayenatic  L ondon 23:40, 3 July 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Australian science and engineering prizes

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename all as per nom. ~ Rob 13 Talk 05:50, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose Renaming Category:Australian science and engineering prizes to Category:Australian science and engineering awards
 * Propose Renaming Category:Brazilian science and engineering prizes to Category:Brazilian science and engineering awards
 * Propose Renaming Category:German science and engineering prizes to Category:German science and engineering awards
 * Propose Renaming Category:Polish science and engineering prizes to Category:Polish science and engineering awards
 * Nominator's rationale: Per the spirit of WP:C2C, bringing a category into line with established naming conventions for that category tree
 * 18 of the 22 subcategories of Category:Science and engineering awards by country use "awards" not prizes but I didn't know if that was compelling enough for a speedy nomination. I think of "prizes" as awards that come with a cash award and only some of the articles in these categories fit that definition. I don't think there is a regional English issue here because all the national parent categories, like Category:Australian awards, use "Awards", but I tagged the Australian WikiProject just in case.-RevelationDirect (talk) 01:30, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: Notified PDH as the category creator and this discussion has been included in WikiProject Australia. – RevelationDirect (talk) 01:30, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Support. I agree that in Australian English the term "prize" would suggest cash or something with a monetary value and could be something acquired through a game of chance, whereas award would suggest recognition of some achievement and would seem more appropriate for this particular category. I can't speak for Brazilians etc. Kerry (talk) 13:13, 7 July 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Scottish Engineering Hall of Fame

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) SST  flyer  12:46, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting Category:Scottish Engineering Hall of Fame
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCAWARD (WP:NONDEFINING)
 * The Scottish Engineering Hall of Fame is a worthwhile internet museum designed to encourage young people to consider engineering as a future profession by inspiring them with historical Scottish engineers. (source). The oldest person in this category died in 1625 and the youngest died in 1986 so it's hard to see how they would be defined by an award created in 2011, nor does that seem to be the aim of the organisation. If we decide to delete this category, there is no need to listify because the winners are already listed here. – RevelationDirect (talk) 01:28, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: Notified Gordon Masterton as the category creator and this discussion has been included in WikiProject Scotland. – RevelationDirect (talk) 01:28, 2 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Background For a similar category we recently deleted, see Categories for discussion/Log/2016 June 4. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:28, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
 * DElete -- This is clearly a NN award. If it were a physical museum, I might think differently, though I am not sure of the merits of halls of fame as a category at all.  People are placed in halls because they are famous, not famous because they are in halls.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:43, 3 July 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Cold War MI5 chiefs

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:12, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Cold War MI5 chiefs to Category:Directors-General of MI5
 * Nominator's rationale: Unneeded branch that partly duplicates another category. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 00:17, 2 July 2016 (UTC)


 *  Merge Delete -- In fact, all but one are in the target already. The exception (Martin) was in charge of a section, rather than being Director-General.  He may need recategorising as an MI5 officer.  Categorising the subject as "spies" is inappropriate: they may be spymasters, but do not do the spying themselves.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:50, 3 July 2016 (UTC)


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