Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2016 June 17



Category:Nonprofit organizations

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename, without prejudice to a broader nominating to rename all of the subcategories to the non-hyphenated version. Or, users could try to get the article changed back. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:14, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Nonprofit organizations to Category:Non-profit organizations
 * Propose renaming Category:Nonprofit executives to Category:Non-profit executives‎
 * Nominator's rationale: Bring it in line with all its sub-categories Rathfelder (talk) 22:44, 17 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment: "Non-profit" looks better to me, perhaps following UK usage. However, perhaps the hyphenated categories should be renamed instead; the main page Non-profit organization was moved to Nonprofit organization in 2011 per an uncontested WP:RM request. The current category name is from a C2D speedy move in Jan 2015, nominated by . – Fayenatic  L ondon 12:54, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Support but I am uneasy about the concept of a non-profit executive: I would prefer Category:Executives of non-profit organizations. Unless they are volunteers, they will be getting a salary, so that the executives are getting a profit from their employment.  However this will require a follow-up nom for related categories.  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:16, 25 June 2016 (UTC)


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Category:People from Korolyov

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 * The result of the discussion was: speedy rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:40, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Korolyov to Category:People from Korolyov, Moscow Oblast
 * Nominator's rationale: Korolyov (inhabited locality) is a disambiguation page, the name of the actual article is Korolyov, Moscow Oblast. Geregen2 (talk) 13:18, 17 June 2016 (UTC)


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Episcopalian categories

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:02, 25 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:Episcopalians to Category:Anglicans
 * Propose merging Category:Former Episcopalians to Category:Former Anglicans
 * Propose merging Category:Episcopalian feminists to Category:Anglican feminists
 * Nominator's rationale: "Episcopalian" is a term that refers to a member of number of Anglican churches in the world that (for various historical reasons) have the word "Episcopal" in their name. (These churches include: Episcopal Church (United States), Scottish Episcopal Church, Anglican Episcopal Church of Brazil, Episcopal Church of Cuba, Episcopal Church of Cuba, Episcopal Church in the Philippines, Spanish Reformed Episcopal Church, Province of the Episcopal Church of South Sudan and Sudan.) The fact that the churches' names share the word "Episcopal" does not denote any particular ties between them other than their ties through the Anglican Communion and the Anglican tradition and so merely sharing a name seems to be no sound basis for categorisation. I cannot, for example, imagine that someone might want a list of Anglican feminists who are also members of churches that share a similar name. Graham (talk) 06:15, 17 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. (Possibly rename the categories to Category:Anglicans and Episcopalians etc.) Marcocapelle (talk) 16:59, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't think it's necessary to rename to "Anglicans and Episcopalians" as there isn't any doubt that Episcopalians are Anglicans. Similarly, it's not called the Anglican and Episcopalian Communion. Graham (talk) 18:07, 17 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment: for a precedent, see Categories_for_discussion/Log/2009_March_16. – Fayenatic  L ondon 16:21, 19 June 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Hey Look! It's That Mad Wrestling Thing Aff The Telly Tour

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. WP:UND applies. (non-admin closure) SST  flyer  06:36, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting hey look! it's that mad wrestling thing aff the telly tour


 * Nominator's rationale: WP:OVERCAT, WP:SMALLCAT. The two articles here are already in the parent. MSJapan (talk) 04:55, 17 June 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Wholesalers established in 1820

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge per proposal 1. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:12, 29 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Proposal 1
 * Propose merging:
 * Category:Wholesalers established in 1820 to Category:Companies established in 1820
 * Category:Wholesalers established in 1911 to Category:Companies established in 1911
 * Category:Wholesalers established in 1958 to Category:Companies established in 1958


 * Proposal 2
 * Propose renaming:
 * Category:Wholesalers established in 1820 to Category:Trading companies established in 1820
 * Propose merging:
 * Category:Wholesalers established in 1911 and to Category:Trading companies established in 1911
 * Category:Wholesalers established in 1958 and to Category:Trading companies established in 1958
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:NARROWCATs that will never be sufficiently populated. PanchoS (talk) 03:05, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Merge as suggested &mdash; I created these and do not really agree that they "will never be sufficiently populated", but I don't oppose the suggested merger as it simplifies the overall category structure. --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me ) 01:43, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
 * While we will most probably revisit all the other subcategories of, at least in earlier centuries, a slightly less radical target would be etc, which would include both retail and wholesale. How about that? I'm including it as Proposal 2. --PanchoS (talk) 08:23, 18 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment: the member articles are now also categorised in . – Fayenatic  L ondon 16:32, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Support, too many 1-article sized categories here. Prefer proposal 1, per current status of categorization, without prejudice to expanding to proposal 2 as soon as enough wholesalers are getting categorized in each year category. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:17, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Support option 1 possibly with a wider upmerge to a category for wholesalers. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:18, 25 June 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Siblings of Presidents of the United States

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) SST  flyer  11:05, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting Category:Siblings of Presidents of the United States
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING
 * The US has no formal title or informal cultural role for brothers and sisters of Presidents like we do for First Ladies. Now many of these people are defined by being a relative of some sort with the President which is why all 50 articles are also under their specific family category in the Category:First Families of the United States tree. For instance, Billy Carter is under Category:Carter family. But, I don't think Billy Carter would have been any more or less of a national embarrassment if he was an uncle or a first cousin instead of a brother so double categorizing him as a sibling of some president isn't defining. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:08, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: Notified The wub as the category creator and this discussion has been included in WikiProject United States Presidents. – RevelationDirect (talk) 01:08, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

I take your point that there may not be a need for this category, but en.wp should remain neutral on the perceived relative merits of Billy Carter vs the Roosevelt Sisters. The issue is whether the shared attribute is defining, not whether we think the various members of the category are of similar moral standing. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 01:08, 18 June 2016 (UTC) Since there are many individual relatives who are defined by their relationship to a President, I guess the real question here is which types of family relationship are likely, in most cases, to be defining. You make a good case for restricting that to spouses and sprogs. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 01:23, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Background We recently deleted Category:Siblings of Prime Ministers of Malaysia here with input from, I just created two family categories today (Garfield & Arthur) so that all siblings are in a First Family category, and this category came before CFD in 2012. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:32, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete not at all a defining characteristic for people Snuggums (talk / edits) 02:14, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
 * It was the defining characteristic of Billy Carter. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:38, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I was making a general statement based on how there are many people who are/were siblings of Presidents, but it wasn't exactly what they were known for. Snuggums (talk</b> / <b style="color:#454545">edits</b>) 00:45, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I would say being a deadbeat, drunk, possibly treasonous relative of Jimmy Carter was Billy's defining characteristic and that's covered with Category:Carter family. Having this second presidential category for ol' Billy lumps him in with Teddy Roosevelt's quite respectable sisters.RevelationDirect (talk) 01:00, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
 * that sounds like the basis of a case for Category:Publicity-seeking, drunk, deadbeat relatives of US Presidents.
 * Agreed, maybe I'm letting my love for Bamie Roosevelt get the best of me! I'm fine with presidential spouses and kids since they are often living in the White House which defines them in distinct ways, but presidential genealogy gets so extensive that I would favor stopping there. RevelationDirect (talk) 01:13, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
 * And I kinda admire Billy for his shameless outrageousness!
 * Delete notability is not inherited. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 00:39, 22 June 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Recipients of the Order of the Palmetto
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 * The result of the discussion was: upmerged and deleted as proposed. (non-admin closure) SST  flyer  06:30, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose Upmerging Category:Orders, decorations, and medals of South Carolina to all parents
 * Propose Deleting Category:Order of the Palmetto
 * Propose Deleting Category:Recipients of the Order of the Palmetto
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:V and WP:OCAWARD (WP:NONDEFINING)
 * The Order of the Palmetto is a state government award of South Carolina, although it has the feel of a small town mayor's key to the city. A local magazine described it best: "Past recipients have included singer James Brown, author Pat Conroy, tap dancer Clayton 'Peg Leg' Bates, Civil Rights activist Septima Clark, and many others including past governors." (source). That news story was about the governor giving the award to the owners of a Lexus dealership, which is apparently something that happens in South Carolina. At least 3,500 people have received the award, but it's impossible to verify all recipients because there is no complete list (source). - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:29, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: Notified  Scanlan as the apparent category creator and this discussion has been included in WikiProject South Carolina. – RevelationDirect (talk) 01:05, 17 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Background We recently deleted the equivalent Kentucky and North Carolina award recipients here and here. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:05, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete presumably awardees have done something (perhaps notably, by Wikipedia standards) to have earned the award; that is likely what defines them, not receiving this award. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 00:41, 22 June 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Canadian Mining Hall of Fame
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 09:52, 24 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Propose Deleting Category:Canadian Mining Hall of Fame
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCAWARD (WP:NONDEFINING)
 * The Canadian Mining Hall of Fame consists of plaques with the 100+ winners at the University of Toronto and a small exhibit at the Royal Ontario Museum. It's hard to see how people who died in 1916, in 1922 and in 1957 are defined by an award created in 1998. Even for people who lived to see it, the award receives only a passing reference in the articles. Without exception, all the people in this category are already under Category:Canadian miners, Category:Canadian mining engineers, Category:Canadian mining businesspeople, Category:Canadian geologists, Category:Canadian prospectors or Category:Canadian metallurgists and the list of winners is located here. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:02, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: Notified Marco Thomas as the category creator and this discussion has been included in WikiProject Mining. – RevelationDirect (talk) 01:02, 17 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep, this is no less defining than any other hall of fame inductee category. Many people are inducted into halls of fame posthumously (example Lord Stanley died in 1908, whilst the hall of fame was established in 1943). This sort of recognition is generally only a line item in an article, although some expansion within the articles could be done (For example, so and so was inducted into the mining hall of fame for their contributions to this thing).--kelapstick(bainuu) 01:35, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
 * The earlier Hall of Fame nominations here, here, here and here may provide some background. - RevelationDirect (talk) 09:33, 18 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom (WP:NON-DEFINING). As with most/all halls of fame a list is much better (e.g. as it can contain redlinks) and we don't need both a list and a category. DexDor(talk) 09:47, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. A list is preferred in the case of an award that might be noteworthy but falls short of WP:DEFINING. Bearcat (talk) 18:20, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 00:41, 22 June 2016 (UTC)


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