Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2016 June 2



Category:Vices

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Delete arguments center around the subjective criteria of this category as per WP:SUBJECTIVECAT, which is based in our guidelines on overcategorization. These arguments haven't been rebuffed, and one keep argument even pointed to two contradictory definitions of vice in different countries. Upmerging didn't receive much consideration, and some subcategories such as Category:Pornography don't seem to easily fit into Category:Misconduct. This close does not preclude the creation of a category that categorizes articles on the topic of vice as defined by a specific country's laws or a specific organization, as that would seemingly address the rationale for deletion. If multiple such categories are created, a container category at Category:Vice may be appropriate, but you should probably gain consensus to create that category at a CfD before making it. (non-admin closure) ~ RobTalk 18:39, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting vices


 * Nominator's rationale: As it seems that Category:Sins is going to be deleted, all the same arguments apply to this. Mangoe (talk) 21:41, 2 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete Not Wikipedia's business. Cobblet (talk) 01:22, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
 * keep Read the main article and category content--not just reactions. This can no more be deleted than the Category:Virtue.  It is part of human life and discussion.  Rename to Category:Vice if necessary. This is not a POV discussion. Hmains (talk) 20:27, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
 * keep The main article vice provides non-religious definitions which seem defining. "In the United Kingdom, the term vice is commonly used in law and law enforcement to refer to criminal offenses related to prostitution and pornography. In the United States, the term is also used to refer to crimes related to gambling, alcohol, and drugs." Dimadick (talk) 21:08, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
 * If the US and the UK can't agree on a precise definition, isn't it hopeless to find a universal definition that could be used as the basis of a category? Pichpich (talk) 18:59, 7 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete There is no standard definition that will clearly say what is and what is not a vice.John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:44, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete what's a vice in one place and time isn't at another. As proven by Dimadick's pointing to the non-religious linkage to criminal offenses. Not all pornography is a criminal offense (only someone's POV has placed it into the category "vice"), "hypocrisy" (where is that against the law?), not all prostitution is against the law (may all in England, but not in the US and much of the world - calling it vice therefore is not a universal but an Anglo-partially American view, not representative of the world we're documenting). The category is filled with problematic material showing it's a POV category. Let's see if the "keep" people can prune it of all articles not fitting neatly in vice's non-religious and universally agreed-upon definitions (if any there be) before this debate concludes to prove me wrong. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 21:45, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Compromise: upmerge to Category:Misconduct. While it's not clear in most articles whether the topic really belongs to vice or not, it is at least much clearer that the topics of these articles are generally considered to be some form of misconduct. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:29, 10 June 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Works by type

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Categories by type. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:25, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting works by type


 * Nominator's rationale: Created by Stefanomione in the very final days, this groups every time a creative works category is sub-divided by a type of a type. But "Album types‎" (subcats: Cast recordings‎, Compilation albums...), "Archaeological artefact types‎" (Ancient pottery‎, Archaeological palettes‎... ), "Films by type‎" (4D films, Crowdfunded films...), "Inscriptions by type"‎ (Curse tablets‎, Multilingual texts‎), etc... none of these are "types" in similar ways. So I just don't see the logic or use, anytime a creative work category is divisible by a type of type, in grouping in this way. Perhaps others do, in this case. But I will say that the fact that Wikipedia was able to exist quite well until May 24 of this year without such a grouping, suggests to me that this is more pointless wordplay from this now-banned editor. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 21:07, 2 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete In the end, this is just categorization by shared name because the word "type" is so vague. And I don't see what need is met by this category. Pichpich (talk) 22:04, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Merge back to Category:Categories by type, as that is where the creator took some of the members from, e.g. . – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:27, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
 * though my strong preference would be not to litter Wikipedia with a banned editor's category redirects. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 00:08, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Merge back to Category:Categories by type per Fayenatic's proposal. A bit too vague for a category of its own, but straight deletion may leave categories without relevant parents. Dimadick (talk) 08:17, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, if the preference is to merge back, fine. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 13:27, 6 June 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Artefacts

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:38, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting artefacts


 * Nominator's rationale: Not content with the preexisting Category:Archaeological artifacts, Stefanomione in May 2016 created this parent category -- note the different spelling -- of which Category:Archaeological artifacts is the sole content. Artefact, with an "e" is simply a redirect to Artifact, a disambiguation page that lists many different uses of the word artifact in archeology, culture, etc. He placed Category:Artefacts under his own Category:Historical objects, so it really does seem to mirror the category we already have. BTW, both categories have been added to Historical objects, so we can simply delete. As for Category:Historical objects, that's a broader matter that I don't plan to address at this Cfd, if at all. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 20:08, 2 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete as proposed. Oh and Historical objects should be addressed at some point... I was hoping Shawn would volunteer. :-) Pichpich (talk) 20:24, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I've certainly thought about. I've started removing subcats from Category:Historical objects that were already in preexisting subcats, such as here. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 20:36, 2 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Note that we already have the rather confused Category:Objects and Category:Physical objects, Category:Individual physical objects, plus Os by material/type etc. But philosophy, physics and plain old stuff get rather mixed up in this tree. Johnbod (talk) 16:38, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete Clearly redundant. RevelationDirect (talk) 22:41, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete Even if this category was defining, it seems to be empty. Dimadick (talk) 08:18, 6 June 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Doukkala-Abda geography stubs

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 * The result of the discussion was: speedy delete as per WP:G8. Normally, I'd relist this, but the template has been retargeted so this meets G8. (non-admin closure) ~ RobTalk 18:49, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting doukkala-abda geography stubs


 * Nominator's rationale: A stub category I emptied since the region in question, Doukkala-Abda, was abolished last year. The stubs are now in Category:Casablanca-Settat geography stubs and Category:Marrakesh-Safi geography stubs. Template and category are nominated for deletion together. Cobblet (talk) 20:00, 2 June 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Uncategorized fair use images

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:30, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting uncategorized fair use images


 * Nominator's rationale: WP:OCMISC. As per this previous CfD, the parent category has uncategorized images in it already. No need for this currently empty category. Not speedy-ing this because this was previously intended to be empty most of the time. ~ RobTalk 19:12, 2 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete we avoid miscelaneous categories.John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:45, 5 June 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Dark Tranquillity

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure) ~ RobTalk 19:16, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting dark tranquillity


 * Nominator's rationale: Too little content. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 03:24, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep per WP:EPONYMOUS. fredgandt 02:25, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't see how this supports keeping: this says that there is a higher barrier to making eponymous categories. Are you suggesting that we should have tens of thousands of categories like this about bands which contain little more than main articles, templates, and subcategories of albums/members/songs? —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 04:55, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm pointing out that this isn't a particularly unusual category, and shouldn't be subject to unusual treatment. If this should be killed, then there are swathes of others that should thus arguably follow suit; any justification to delete this, is justification to delete an entire category of categories which have their own WP shortcut. See Category:Wikipedia categories named after performing groups, Category:Wikipedia categories named after musicians and Category:Wikipedia categories named after musical groups for example, and that's just the tip of an enormous iceberg. fred</i>g<i style='font-size:.7em;color:#0bb;'>andt</i></b> 05:49, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete Most other categories within Category:Wikipedia categories named after musical groups have more substantial content; there should be a certain threshhold met before such eponymous categories are needed. I don't think this meets it per WP:OCEPON. -- Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 17:24, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
 * WP:EPONYMOUS doesn't say that there is a higher barrier to making eponymous categories, you probably mean WP:OCEPON. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:36, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~ RobTalk 17:59, 2 June 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Political pressure groups of the United Kingdom
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) ~ RobTalk 19:27, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming:
 * Category:Political pressure groups of the United Kingdom to Category:Political advocacy groups in the United Kingdom
 * Category:Political pressure groups of Northern Ireland‎ to Category:Political advocacy groups in Northern Ireland‎
 * Category:Political pressure groups of Scotland to Category:Political advocacy groups in Scotland
 * Category:Political pressure groups of Wales to Category:Political advocacy groups in Wales
 * Category:Conservative political pressure groups of the United Kingdom‎ to Category:Conservative political advocacy groups in the United Kingdom
 * Nominator's rationale: per, and , the last one also per . I previously thought this would be an WP:ENGVAR issue, but the previous CfD found that it isn't. PanchoS (talk) 13:55, 2 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Rename to the more NPOV title.John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:45, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. The parent category of Category:Political pressure groups of the United Kingdom is simply Category:Political advocacy groups by country. It should be renamed to match its parent. Dimadick (talk) 08:21, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose -- This is an ENGVAR issue. Not being an American, I have no idea what a Political advocacy group looks like.  "Political campaigning groups" might be acceptable, but would need to be defined in a headnote as excluding political parties.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:21, 12 June 2016 (UTC)


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Two more discipline-related categories
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:32, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting categories by discipline
 * Propose deleting objects by discipline
 * Nominator's rationale: Two more late-stage "discipline"-related categories from Stefanomione, created to follow Category:Disciplines. As outlined here Categories_for_discussion/Log/2016_May_5, Category:Disciplines was admittedly created by another editor in a futile effort to save his own Category:Sport disciplines. And here, sure enough, in the first one, we mix Works and Objects by discipline, with such disparate things as Cycle racing by discipline‎ and Scholars and academics by discipline‎.
 * I'm also nominating the Objects: that one's even more preposterous. It mixes unrelated physical and abstract objects that apparently are so grouped because they are the subject of fields of study. But because everything is studied by at least one academic discipline -- literally the entire physical universe and every abstract concept -- anything that exists physically or abstractly and can have the word "object" applied could be so grouped here, no? As I argued at the original Cfd, it's really a case of WP:SHAREDNAME, for the appearance or possible application of the word "discipline" ... and now "object," too. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 14:16, 2 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete both. Pichpich (talk) 14:24, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I should add that Category:Objects already does contain categories Category:Objects by type‎ and Category:Objects by material‎, which do make sense, because they're grouping by intrinsic properties of the object itself, not by vague notions of allied "disciplines". Shawn in Montreal (talk) 20:01, 2 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete Both What possible inclusion criteria could we use? RevelationDirect (talk) 02:03, 4 June 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Charities operating in South Africa
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:41, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting:
 * charities operating in south africa
 * charities operating in uganda
 * Nominator's rationale: Created a better solution Rathfelder (talk) 13:15, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete per WP:CSD G7, like the other empty ones in . However, I think the following structure would be better:
 * Foreign organizations specifically operating in South Africa won't be restricted to charities. Secondly, the fact that these are foreign organizations is not necessarily defining, if they do operate in South Africa, and do so specifically, then they are still organizations of South Africa, though not (legally) based in South Africa. If a foreign organization has numerous operating areas abroad, we probably shouldn't categorize them at all, as then they are operating internationally. --PanchoS (talk) 14:21, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Foreign organizations specifically operating in South Africa won't be restricted to charities. Secondly, the fact that these are foreign organizations is not necessarily defining, if they do operate in South Africa, and do so specifically, then they are still organizations of South Africa, though not (legally) based in South Africa. If a foreign organization has numerous operating areas abroad, we probably shouldn't categorize them at all, as then they are operating internationally. --PanchoS (talk) 14:21, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Foreign organizations specifically operating in South Africa won't be restricted to charities. Secondly, the fact that these are foreign organizations is not necessarily defining, if they do operate in South Africa, and do so specifically, then they are still organizations of South Africa, though not (legally) based in South Africa. If a foreign organization has numerous operating areas abroad, we probably shouldn't categorize them at all, as then they are operating internationally. --PanchoS (talk) 14:21, 2 June 2016 (UTC)


 * could we say "Organisations in South Africa". The lack of local roots and ownership is, at least in some cases, quite politically significant. "in" is a more neutral word.  You are quite right to say not all these organisations are charities. I've begun a category tree Category:Charities operating in another country to see how it works out.  What do you think?Rathfelder (talk) 14:31, 2 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Certainly, the lack of local roots will be relevant in some cases. But then again, an organisation may have its legal headquarters in South Africa while still lacking local roots. And indeed, "in" is more neutral, but it is so much closer to "based in", so I fear it might be too easily confused. We might also envision a structure like:
 * (non-diffusing)
 * I'm not so much a big fan of non-diffusing categories though, because they go against the general principle "as deep as possible". This might be an alternative, though a bit complex:
 * Most organisations (including charities, political parties, companies etc.) would go down to the lowest level, as they fulfill both criteria. Some would be only based there (but operation abroad), while others would operate there, though being based abroad. This would constitute a massive change to our category structure, but currently is just an idea. --PanchoS (talk) 16:15, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm not so much a big fan of non-diffusing categories though, because they go against the general principle "as deep as possible". This might be an alternative, though a bit complex:
 * Most organisations (including charities, political parties, companies etc.) would go down to the lowest level, as they fulfill both criteria. Some would be only based there (but operation abroad), while others would operate there, though being based abroad. This would constitute a massive change to our category structure, but currently is just an idea. --PanchoS (talk) 16:15, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Most organisations (including charities, political parties, companies etc.) would go down to the lowest level, as they fulfill both criteria. Some would be only based there (but operation abroad), while others would operate there, though being based abroad. This would constitute a massive change to our category structure, but currently is just an idea. --PanchoS (talk) 16:15, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Most organisations (including charities, political parties, companies etc.) would go down to the lowest level, as they fulfill both criteria. Some would be only based there (but operation abroad), while others would operate there, though being based abroad. This would constitute a massive change to our category structure, but currently is just an idea. --PanchoS (talk) 16:15, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Most organisations (including charities, political parties, companies etc.) would go down to the lowest level, as they fulfill both criteria. Some would be only based there (but operation abroad), while others would operate there, though being based abroad. This would constitute a massive change to our category structure, but currently is just an idea. --PanchoS (talk) 16:15, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Most organisations (including charities, political parties, companies etc.) would go down to the lowest level, as they fulfill both criteria. Some would be only based there (but operation abroad), while others would operate there, though being based abroad. This would constitute a massive change to our category structure, but currently is just an idea. --PanchoS (talk) 16:15, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Most organisations (including charities, political parties, companies etc.) would go down to the lowest level, as they fulfill both criteria. Some would be only based there (but operation abroad), while others would operate there, though being based abroad. This would constitute a massive change to our category structure, but currently is just an idea. --PanchoS (talk) 16:15, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Most organisations (including charities, political parties, companies etc.) would go down to the lowest level, as they fulfill both criteria. Some would be only based there (but operation abroad), while others would operate there, though being based abroad. This would constitute a massive change to our category structure, but currently is just an idea. --PanchoS (talk) 16:15, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

Lets not rush this. It's potentially a big job. But I think something like it follows on from the abolition of Non-Government Organisations - many of which were exactly the sort of international good-doing organisations I am thinking of. And we need to think of the complications of geography. I don't want a category of organisations based in Yorkshire but operating in Manchester. Rathfelder (talk) 16:24, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment: see also Categories_for_discussion/Log/2016_May_26, which is still open. Do the participants here want to copy this discussion to WT:CAT or Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Organizations and continue it there? – Fayenatic  L ondon 22:09, 3 June 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Transport in China by autonomous region
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge as per nom. (non-admin closure) ~ RobTalk 18:56, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose merging:
 * with to
 * with to
 * with to
 * Nominator's rationale: There's no point in differentiating between first-level country subdivisions of different status all the way through the category tree. All of these are province-level subdivisions, but I guess some will insist on specifying both types. PanchoS (talk) 11:26, 2 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:43, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Support -- some polities are provinces; others autonomous regions. There may be differences in the way they are governed, but three is no overlap.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:23, 12 June 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Faculty of Arts and Science, Markaz
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:45, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Faculty of Arts and Science, Markaz to Category:Faculty of Markaz
 * Propose merging Category:Faculty of Markaz Schools to Category:Faculty of Markaz
 * Nominator's rationale: This whole category tree is messed up (created by a user who is now indef-blocked for socking), but here's a small start. WP:SMALLCAT. ~ RobTalk 06:36, 2 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete I would say none of the categories are required. The two bios that are in the category may not meet notability guidelines. The now blocked COI editor created a whole bunch of articles related to one particular organisation, many of which are not notable. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 06:42, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Yeah, there will definitely be subsequent nominations. With so many pages placed under multiple categories, though, it's hard to get a picture of just how many articles are even in this tree. Category:Markaz by itself may be appropriate, maybe, but condensing a few of the obviously unnecessary categories will make it much easier for us to figure out if that's the case. ~ RobTalk 15:14, 6 June 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Ideal Association for Minority Education
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:49, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting ideal association for minority education


 * Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT. Created by a now blocked sock. We have no article on this association, and I doubt it's defining in any event. ~ RobTalk 06:33, 2 June 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Markaz Schools
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:52, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting markaz schools


 * Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT. Created by a now blocked sock. We have no article on Markaz Garden, which is apparently the school "authority" this is meant to categorize for. ~ RobTalk 06:32, 2 June 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Roman-era students in Athens
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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. Those arguing to keep suggest that this was the equivalent to a specific prestigious university in this time period. This hasn't been refuted. (non-admin closure) ~ RobTalk 19:21, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting roman-era students in athens


 * Propose deleting late-roman-era students in athens Category:Roman-era students in Athens (Category was renamed in another discussion while this one was ongoing.)
 * Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:NONDEF, these people are defined by their later occupation, not by their studentship. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:46, 1 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Support per nom Laurel Lodged (talk) 08:55, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Question: doesn't the nominator's rationale apply to all alumni categories? – Fayenatic  L ondon 07:20, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
 * In this case it's also not an alumni category of a particular school. (On the side, I would probably not oppose if someone else would nominate the entire alumni tree.) Marcocapelle (talk) 16:56, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

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 * Keep -- In a period when there were no universities, studying in Athens, the centre of philosophical thought would be the nearest anyone would get to an equivalent of a university course. I thus consider that this is analogous to an alumni category.  They may have studied with a particular master, but we are unlikely to find enough articles to make a worthwhile alumni category for any of them.  If we should do, we can make that a subcategory.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:50, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep per the reasons listed by Peterkingiron. Dimadick (talk) 05:45, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~ RobTalk 05:20, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep per Peterkingiron . Johnbod (talk) 16:42, 4 June 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Baseball players from Brisbane
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 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure) ~ RobTalk 19:23, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Baseball players from Brisbane to Category:Sportspeople from Brisbane
 * Also propose merging Category:Baseball players from Beijing to Category:Sportspeople from Beijing
 * Also propose merging Category:Baseball players from Tianjin to Category:Sportspeople from Tianjin
 * Nominator's rationale: Category has only one entry. Also per multiple CFDs, here, here, we don't categorize baseball players by city. If a merge is the outcome of this CFD, an upmerge into Australian baseball players should be done for Brisbane also. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 12:42, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

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 * OK for Brisbane, as the member page is already in the other parent Category:Australian baseball players. Oppose for Beijing and Tianjin as they are not only cities but Direct-controlled municipalities of China, part of the hierarchy by province., in this case Category:Chinese_baseball_players_by_province. – Fayenatic  L ondon 07:08, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep and populate -- Baseball has a professional league in Australia, with six teams in six major cities. It should be legitimate to have such a category for the home cities of teams, but these only.  I consider the decision on the precedents to have been wrong.  I suspect that the same considerations apply to Chinese cities.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:35, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Support, if we are going to categorize sportspeople by every city they played in or lived in, it may well lead to too much category clutter in the articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:15, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~ RobTalk 05:16, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I've struck my earlier comments, because category clutter will remain when merged to Sportspeople by city. Ideally, these city categories should become mostly container categories, holding subcategories of players per team/per club in that city. Apart from that I'm neutral between Baseball players or Sportspeople. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:57, 3 June 2016 (UTC)


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