Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2016 March 11



Category:Slave narrative publications

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. MER-C 10:06, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Slave narrative publications to Category:Slave narratives
 * Nominator's rationale: This category should be merged BACK INTO its parent,, which it duplicated entirely, including the use of all of the original parent cats. It appears that the editor who created this subcat wished to separate out the articles about individual books from the handful of other articles on the subject, but that can be better dealt with by simply grouping those articles under a sort key at the top of . (Notified Category creator using ) Cgingold (talk) 21:24, 11 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Support per WP:OVERLAPCAT, as it seems we don't have any articles about slave narratives that haven't been published. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:04, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Support because the distinction seems to be meaningless. Slave narratives which were not published are either forgotten oral histories or written lost works. Dimadick (talk) 10:08, 16 March 2016 (UTC)


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Category:NBC Sports Network shows

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. – Fayenatic  L ondon 10:41, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:NBC Sports Network shows to Category:NBCSN shows
 * Nominator's rationale: upmerge to Category:NBCSN shows, they are the same thing; in article space NBC Sports Network redirects to NBCSN. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:50, 11 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Merge. Surely this qualifies for a SPEEDY at WP:CFDS. Cgingold (talk) 03:28, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment It depends on the defining quality of the brand. ABC Family redirects to Freeform (TV channel) but Category:ABC Family shows still exists. On the other hand, Category:Sci Fi Channel shows was moved to Category:Syfy original programs. This one probably takes on the aspects of the latter. -- Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 16:16, 17 March 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Open source philosophy

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:free culture movement. – Fayenatic  L ondon 10:58, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting open source philosophy


 * Nominator's rationale: unclear scope fgnievinski (talk) 05:34, 11 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Support, when looking at the content of the category it seems to be a case of WP:SHAREDNAME. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:07, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I can see the argument for issues of scope, but I think that WP:SHAREDNAME is not an actual issue here. While they do, at least momentarily, mostly possess the same "open source" component, if you read any of the articles, you will see that the designation is not a superficial one - it actually describes a real and meaningful way that each of the topics are pursued. In all due respect, I would encourage you to take some time to read any number of the articles categorized and see if you still feel that they are associated in name alone. Buddy23Lee (talk) 10:42, 11 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment - I humbly admit my failings when it came to trying to name this category, way back when. I was trying to encompass the many and varied applications of the open source, if not philosophy, than perhaps phenomenon? As you can see from the examples in the category, open sourcing has expanded and grown well beyond software creation, and even just computer technology, to encompass a wide variety of different things, from drug research to music creation. While I clearly have no crystal ball (and am very mindful of the eponymous policy), I believe the number of articles that will emerge to become examples of this will really proliferate in the near to mid-term. While that's clearly not a valid argument for retention itself, and while I'm not sure how much open sourcing does or doesn't qualify as a "movement" per se, perhaps something like Open-source movement, might better describe what this category was attempting to encompass. Would anyone support the idea of renaming the category to "Open-source movement"? Alternatively, we might consider merging it with its parent category of 'Collaboration', but I really do think the ever expanding world of open sourcing describes a more narrowly defined/particular form of collaboration, with its own, well, philosophy. Buddy23Lee (talk) 10:30, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Okay I may have been a little too quick in responding. Then what about merging to Category:Free culture movement and/ or to Category:Free software culture and documents? Marcocapelle (talk) 14:02, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Looking at the two, it's hard to find a substantial difference simply in the articles currently categorized, or the main articles of either. In this sense, I could see the potential of merging such. My only hesitation is based on my personal ignorance (not being an expert on either) and wondering if there at least could be meaningful differences between the two approaches. Buddy23Lee (talk) 00:23, 12 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Posted a notification about this discussion on talk pages of WikiProjects Open, Computing and Sociology/Social Movements. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:04, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
 * How about renaming to Category:Open source model, after open-source model? fgnievinski (talk) 01:29, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Anything that provides a clearer understanding to readers and sufficiently addresses any sense of scope concerns is something I would support, for whatever it's worth. Buddy23Lee (talk) 06:32, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
 * A rename to Category:Open source movement as you proposed earlier, or Category:Open source model as Fgnievinski proposed, are both better than the current name. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:38, 19 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Merge to Free culture movement I actually am not sure of the best course of action, and could support keeping this category. I am suggesting a merge for these reasons -
 * "Open source" historically is used to refer to software only. There is no one managing the difference between the terms "open source", "open content", and "free culture", and some sources use them interchangeably. There is no one accepted term for "openness" but so far as I know, "free culture" is used as the term most likely to apply to everything. This is confusing and always has been because all the projects are called "open" then the philosophy seems to be most called "free culture". "Open philosophy" seems like a great term but I do not think it is popular.
 * Many of the items listed in this category might not actually need "open source" for their title. For "Open-source governance", for example, the sources cited do not uniformly use the term "open source governance". This and other articles might not be titled in alignment with the sources they cite.
 * I do not immediately see the distinction between this term and the existing free culture category. They seem to be covering the same kinds of topics, so by default, Wikipedia usually just keeps the older more popular category when a distinction is not made.
 * As I said, I am not sure. There could be more conversation about this.  Blue Rasberry   (talk)  19:45, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Perfectly fine with me (I'd suggested this as one of the possibilities before.) Marcocapelle (talk) 09:37, 2 April 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Liam Lynch (musician) songs

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. This has now been discussed twice in the past month (previous discussion here). I suggest we accept the result for now and give it a rest for a period of time. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:17, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting Category:Liam Lynch (musician) songs
 * Nominator's rationale: Non-popular artist per WP:POPULARITY. I hate non-popular artists like Liam Lynch. I don't thing if category non-popular artist Liam Lynch (musician) songs is in category popular genre music American rock songs. I just like rock artists other than Liam Lynch such as Bryan Adams, Michelle Branch, Meredith Brooks, Jackson Browne, Eric Clapton, Joe Cocker, Phil Collins, Elvis Costello, Sheryl Crow, Bob Dylan, John Fogerty, Ben Folds, Jimi Hendrix, Billy Joel, Elton John, Avril Lavigne, John Lennon, Paul McCartney, Sarah McLachlan, Alanis Morissette, Van Morrison, Stevie Nicks, Elvis Presley, Bruce Springsteen, Rod Stewart, Steve Winwood, etc. Other reason that this category was nominated for deletion because no template with the title "Liam Lynch" has been created. Template, such as Template:Air Supply, Template:The Beatles, Template:Coldplay, Template:Duran Duran, Template:Fleetwood Mac, Template:Moody Blues, Template:Paramore, etc. are available because Air Supply, the Beatles, Coldplay, Duran Duran, Fleetwood Mac, the Moody Blues, and Paramore are notable popular rock artists. Thanks. Wisnu Aji (talk) 03:25, 11 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep part of the master category Category:Songs by artist which states "This category is for songs by recording artist. Please note that all song articles should have subcategories here, regardless of how many songs the artist has recorded". If you want to change this, I suggest an WP:RFC, as right now, this nomination smacks of WP:IDONTLIKEIT.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 07:43, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your suggestion. I wish Category:Liam Lynch (musician) songs was deleted permanently in Wikipedia or deleted from Category:American rock songs. This category (Liam Lynch (musician) songs) can be distrub for other notable popular rock artists. Wisnu Aji (talk) 10:40, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment I'm not at all convinced having all this single article songs by artists categories has any navigational merit beyond WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. I'm not comfortable with a test case being based on "hate" for a particular artist though. RevelationDirect (talk) 10:46, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Fully agree on both. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:41, 19 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep – United States of Whatever is a notable song, the paramount defining characteristic of which is the recording artist. (I am not convinced that removing a category altogether assists navigation in any way.) I have removed the category from which appears to be the nom's main gripe. Oculi (talk) 01:00, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:SMALLCAT and WP:IDONTLIKEIT. -- Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 23:49, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment can you placed United States of Whatever at Category:American rock songs not Category:Liam Lynch (musician) songs? While United States of Whatever is a notable song, this artist (Liam Lynch) is not good to listen and can be deleted per WP:CfD. My suggestion, can you deleted Category:Liam Lynch (musician) songs if no users discuss this category after 7 days from now? Wisnu Aji (talk) 01:09, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep per the reasons listed by Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars. That an editor dislikes the artist is no reason for deletion. I am somewhat unsure, however, if the "musician" part is needed in the title. The only other Liam Lynch with an article on Wikipedia is Liam Lynch (Irish republican), a general in the Irish Republican Army who likely did not write any songs. Dimadick (talk) 10:15, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete Category:Liam Lynch (musician) songs is keep for deletion per WP:POPULARITY because non-popular artist and the song "United States of Whatever" did not reach #1 on the Billboard Hot 100 and any music charts. It's so hard to reach #1 on the Billboard Hot 100 like "Come On" by Chuck Berry, "7 and 7 Is" by Love, and "Did Ya" by The Kinks. Wisnu Aji (talk) 20:24, 16 March 2016 (UTC)


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Category:President's Certificate of Merit recipients

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:50, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting/Listifying Category:President's Certificate of Merit recipients
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCAWARD (WP:NONDEFINING)
 * During World War II, the top American civilian award was the Medal for Merit but nominees who were turned down for that could receive the President's Certificate of Merit as a consolation prize. Almost all of these were scientists and, while their articles generally do mention the award, its usually as part of a list in the recognition section. Having a secondary WWII-based award for civilians doesn't seem defining. (I've already listifed the award winners here). - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:19, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: Notified  SchreyP as the category creator and this discussion has been included in WikiProject Awards and prizes. – RevelationDirect (talk) 02:19, 11 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete Not notable.--Darksheets52 (talk) 14:20, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per nominators rationale. We have FAR too many categories for relatively trivial awards. Cgingold (talk) 21:25, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and per WP:OCAWARD, as non-defining. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:21, 17 March 2016 (UTC)


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