Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2016 May 17



Category:Indian-Canadian literature

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete, though I'm not sure that the issue of whether Category:Indo-Canadian literature could exist in the future was sufficiently resolved here, so that can be discussed, if necessary, in a future nomination. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:36, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Indian-Canadian literature to Category:Indo-Canadian literature
 * Nominator's rationale: The category creator did not seem to be aware of the parent Category:Indo-Canadian culture, the main article Indo-Canadians and the preferred naming. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 22:45, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Correct, I did not see that category tag. My apologies. I was trying to clean up some weird entries in the Indian Books category tree and wasn't sure how to deal with Indian writers living in Canada who are still being tagged in the Indian category trees (I think it was Rohinton Mistry). Feel free to move or rename! Thanks. Aristophanes 68   (talk)  01:44, 18 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete as WP:SMALLCAT. If we had quite a bit more content about this, then it would be appropriate — but if all we've got for it is the subcategory, and the only other plausible contenders for inclusion are debatable ones like  (who was a Canadian resident for some years, but is primarily considered an American writer rather than a Canadian one), then that's not enough content to warrant this yet. Bearcat (talk) 17:58, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I poked around and found Padma Viswanathan, Saleema Nawaz. There's two more. This is in just a few minutes looking. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 19:20, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Actually, Category:Canadian writers of Asian descent has enough articles on Indo-Canadian writers. This subcat should not be overly small. Strongly disagree with Bearcat's reasoning on this one. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 19:29, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
 * None of whom have their own dedicated "Novels by (writer)" categories, or even articles about any of their works that I can locate, to file in here. The key determinant of whether a category like this should exist or not is not the theoretical potential for eventually becoming well-populated — it's whether enough content to justify its existence already exists today. Bearcat (talk) 17:32, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Category:Canadian literature has Category:Canadian writers as a subcategory. Bio articles would fit into this category, too, either with or without an eventual Category:Indo-Canadian writers sub-cat. The point is, there's no need to wait for any theoretical category on works: the "literature" cat structure includes writers of. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 17:41, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Appropriately subcategorized within the broad tree, sure. But writers are not directly added to categories that are named as "literature" rather than as "writers". Bearcat (talk) 17:49, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Okay. But couldn't Category:Indo-Canadian writers be created now, with what we have, as a subcat also of Category:Canadian writers by ethnic or national origin. It wouldn't rely on theoretical future articles? Shawn in Montreal (talk) 18:07, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
 * How is the "descent" (how much descent by DNA percentage? or is one drop enough?) of an author meaningful or defining? Carlossuarez46 (talk) 18:37, 20 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Upmerge to parent categories per Bearcat. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:08, 29 May 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Films executive produced by...

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:45, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting films executive produced by adam sandler


 * Propose deleting films produced and executive produced by adam sandler


 * Propose deleting films executive produced by john lasseter


 * Nominator's rationale: We do not have a category structure for Category:Films by executive producer, because, I believe, this has never been considered a sufficiently defining credit for films -- in contrast with Category:Films by producer. Indeed you'll see that there are no parent categories on any of the categories. All were recently created by a single editor. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 19:47, 17 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. kennethaw88 • talk 03:34, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment -- Should these not be merged/renamed to Category:Films produced by Adam Sandler, etc. There is a tendency with many media to provide a large number of categories for everything that appears on the label or in the credits.  We do not allow that for actors, as it is a Performance by performer category.  The second of these is certainly illegitimate.  If there is a valid distinction between producer and executive producer  and Sandler did both, he should have both categories, not a combined one.  Peterkingiron (talk) 10:14, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
 * No one is suggesting a merge or rename. This is a deletion discussion. There is clearly a "valid distinction between producer and executive producer," that's the point of this Cfd. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 16:44, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Trivialist (talk) 23:38, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NONDEF, e.g. in the case of Adam Sandler, he is only mentioned as a defining characteristic in a few articles where he was (also) in a different position, namely in which he was "starring". Marcocapelle (talk) 18:57, 24 May 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Rivers of Szabolcs-Szatmar-Bereg County

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:38, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Rivers of Szabolcs-Szatmar-Bereg County Category:Rivers of Szabolcs-Szatmár-Bereg County to Category:Rivers of Hungary
 * Nominator's rationale: Parent cat isn't oversized; and this is the only regional river category within Hungary, containing only 1 article. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 18:14, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

Merge per WP:SMALLCAT....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 19:08, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Do not merge. For other countries there are categories for various landmarks such as rivers in various countries. There are more than one river in Szabolcs country and most of them have articles in Wikipedia. The correct solution is to include these in this category, not to eliminate the category for insufficient articles in this category. I have corrected the name which did not have the correct diacritics and added some of the articles which should be included in the category. There are probably also other articles which should be included. Deleting a category instead on including all the articles which are part of the category does not improve Wikipedia. If anything, it encourages wikipedians to be lazy by eliminating wikipedia content instead of doing their share in making it better and more complete. Other regional river categories should also be made for Hungary, as they are for other countries. Afil (talk) 20:37, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Such a split may be necessary if there are a lot of articles about rivers in Hungary. Romania, for example, certainly needs it, since it has several thousand articles about rivers. However, in the case of Hungary, there are currently only 47 articles about rivers, along with one list. This doesn't need splitting. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 03:01, 18 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Merge Diffusion is not needed in this case and this seems like it would fracture the contents and hinder navigation. RevelationDirect (talk) 02:24, 28 May 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Burial sites of the Rockefeller family

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:36, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting burial sites of the rockefeller family


 * Nominator's rationale: Where somebody is buried isn't considered defining. One of the subcategories has exactly one Rockefeller buried there. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 17:01, 17 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete With the exceptions of family crypts, pyramids, or the like, these are never defining. RevelationDirect (talk) 02:22, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete for the same reasons as in the next nom below. Peterkingiron (talk) 10:15, 19 May 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Burial sites of political families of the United States

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete all. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:38, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting Category:Burial sites of political families of the United States
 * Propose Deleting Category:Burial sites of the First Families of the United States‎
 * Propose Deleting Category:Burial sites of the Adams family
 * Propose Deleting Category:Burial sites of the Beverley family of Virginia‎
 * Propose Deleting Category:Burial sites of the Franklin family‎
 * Propose Deleting Category:Burial sites of the Washington family‎
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NARROWCAT and WP:NONDEFINING.
 * These categories group large cemeteries and towns by individual people that are buried there. An single grave does not define a cemetery. There are two exceptions with family plots--1, 2--which I added to the family categories. - RevelationDirect (talk) 12:17, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: Notified Westfield2015 as the category creator and this discussion has been included in WikiProject Politics. – RevelationDirect (talk) 12:17, 17 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Background: We already deleted the Bush family burial sites here and the Burr family burial sites has an open nomination here. RevelationDirect (talk) 12:17, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per nominator....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 16:40, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete -- I regard these as much too similar to performance by performer categories. A category for the burial places of presidents might be acceptable, but when this is extended to their relatives, whose notability may mainly be inherited from the President and without any limitation on how closely related they might be, it is going too far.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:11, 18 May 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Telangana poets

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:13, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Telangana poets to Category:Telugu poets
 * Nominator's rationale: Both categories are for Telgu language poets; the second category matches terminology of parent category, and commons material. Icarusgeek (talk) 10:07, 17 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Merge -- The headnote of the subject should also be merged into the target (as it lacks one). They are clearly the same thing.  Peterkingiron (talk) 10:17, 19 May 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Asphalt series

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Asphalt (series), by weight of argument. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:56, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Asphalt series to Category:Video games in the Asphalt series
 * Nominator's rationale:  Anarchyte  ( work  &#124;  talk )   07:54, 17 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Alternative rename to Category:Asphalt (series) following the main article Asphalt (series). This could be a speedy rename (WP:C2D). If we were starting from scratch I might prefer  Category:Asphalt (video game series), but for various video game franchises we just use "(series)" as the qualifier, and this suffices within the context of video game categories. – Fayenatic  L ondon 20:30, 17 May 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Alph Lyla members

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:25, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Alph Lyla members to Category:Alph Lyla
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT.  Anarchyte  ( work  &#124;  talk )   07:50, 17 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Oppose. This is part of a very rich category scheme of Category:Musicians by band.--Mike Selinker (talk) 02:03, 19 May 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Thai desserts and Category:Thai snack foods

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 * The result of the discussion was:  at 2016 JUN 8 CFD. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:41, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Thai desserts and Category:Thai snack foods to Category:Thai desserts and snacks
 * Nominator's rationale: Desserts and snacks in Thai cuisine are poorly distinguished; they are known by the same term in Thai: ขนม. It'd be easier to categorise them together. Paul_012 (talk) 03:49, 17 May 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Songs from The Phantom of the Opera

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:21, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Songs from The Phantom of the Opera to Category:Songs from The Phantom of the Opera (1986 musical)
 * Nominator's rationale: Renaming to correspond with names of article The Phantom of the Opera (1986 musical) and Category:The Phantom of the Opera (1986 musical). Trivialist (talk) 00:54, 17 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Rename per nominator....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 12:50, 17 May 2016 (UTC)


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