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Category:Human first names given to physical phenomena

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:35, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting human first names given to physical phenomena


 * Nominator's rationale: This is not defining. I also don't see the point of this category. If it were to be fully populated, it would include most tropical storms, and not much else. -- Tavix ( talk ) 23:42, 13 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Well, and all hurricanes. Tropical storms only started being so named more recently, I think? Anyway, delete per nom. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 16:49, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I was trying to be inclusive of all storms that are tropical. I guess cyclone would be the correct term? -- Tavix ( talk ) 01:54, 15 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete shared common names. Hurricanes were notable before we named them after, first women, then both men and women, and will be notable after we've retired all the names available and go back to numbering them. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 00:27, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
 * NotDelete but maybe Listify (creator). I still think it is an interesting collection especially for those interested in names and what exactly (objects, people, etc) the latter can represent.SoSivr (talk) 21:39, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
 * P.S. I consider this category similar in nature to the category, another subcategory of .SoSivr (talk) 21:55, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
 * since you thanked me for the creation of this category, please participate in the discussion and vote against deletion of this category.SoSivr (talk) 22:05, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Canavssing is not allowed. P p p er y 00:25, 19 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete -- Storms are named sequentially going through the alphabet each year. Originally this was for Caribbean hurricanes only, but has since been extended to East Asian typhoons and most recently British winter cyclones.  I would hope that the appropriate lists exist already, by type, then year.  I see nothing other than storms in the category, but suspect that the creator did not appreciate how the names arose.  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:28, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete Per the spirit of WP:SHAREDNAME. We categorize but what things are, not how they're named. This topic is better for list articles. RevelationDirect (talk) 18:14, 26 November 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Articles with bare URLs for citations

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 * The result of the discussion was: Split. Timrollpickering 10:15, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose splitting Category:Articles with bare URLs for citations to Category:Articles with bare URLs for citations and Category:Articles with incomplete book citations
 * Nominator's rationale: This category is currently being filled by two maintainance templates: Cleanup bare-URLs and Ref expand. These templates describe two different issues. The former can ususally be fixed by a script, whereas the latter is harder to fix, can only be done manually, and in some cases requires asking the editor who added the source. The current name is also incorrect for the latter template, as was the former name. Thus, these different yet related backlogs should be split into seperate categories. P p p er y 23:28, 13 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment/Venue This category is generated by Template:Cleanup bare URLs and this proposal would require changes there so you may also want to raise this suggestion on that talk page. (I don't have any strong opinion on this split but would favor adding "Wikipedia" to the beginning of any of these maintenance categories.) RevelationDirect (talk) 02:29, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
 * No, this change would not require any changes to Cleanup bare URLs, because that is the template that will retain the current name. P p p er y 03:31, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
 * So would you be looking for another template to add the Category:Articles with incomplete book citations category, or would you expect that to be added manually? RevelationDirect (talk) 02:31, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Ref expand. P p p er y 02:50, 30 November 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Apostolic Nuncios to Naples

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename per original nomination. – Fayenatic  L ondon 22:21, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Apostolic Nuncios to Naples to Category:Apostolic Nuncios to the Kingdom of Naples
 * Nominator's rationale: An opposed speedy. Original nomination suggested changing "Naples" to "Kingdom of Naples" per the parent category . A copy of the speedy nomination is included below. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:11, 20 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Category:Apostolic Nuncios to Naples to Category:Apostolic Nuncios to the Kingdom of Naples – C2C per Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:51, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
 * "Nuncios" should be decapitalized, also per Category:Apostolic nuncios. Brandmeistertalk  08:22, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Brandmeister: But cf the format of all of the subcategories! Good Ol’factory (talk) 21:46, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I Oppose. Please note that the best source on this issue, the Biaudet (Les nonciatures apostoliques permanentes jusqu'en 1648 ), always refers to it as "Naples" and never as "Kindgom of Naples". Actually at the time the system of nunciatures did not follow the formal nations, but the system of courts (in this case the court of the vice-king of Naples), being the King of Naples already served by the nunciature in Madrid. The same for Category:Apostolic Nuncios to Venice which is the correct name also according to the Biaudet (not "To Republic of Venice", which would be wrong) A ntv (talk) 10:00, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
 * This might be one situation where a descriptive title would be more helpful than the actual title that was used. Good Ol’factory (talk) 21:46, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: in order to consider an alternative that would create consistency the other way
 * Comment. The issue here is that Wikipedia is wrong more often by including the regime of a country directly in the name of an article instead of as a parenthesized disambiguator, e.g. Kingdom of Great Britain instead of Great Britain (kingdom). This is primarily a problem of article space though. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:37, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I opposed because the nunciature was not "to the Kingdom of Naples" but "to the court in Naples". The title "Nunciature to (of) Naples" is correct and is supported by scholars texts as the referred Biaudet, as well as the Karttunen. When the kingdom of Naples became the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies, the nunciature of Naples continued. I suggest to stay stick to sources WP:STICKTOSOURCE. To change the title of such category is an historical error. A ntv (talk) 22:15, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't go so far as to say it would introduce historical error. There are plenty of instances in history where names are applied retroactively to things that did not use that name at the time. We're not necessarily bound to following sources that are contemporary or closer to the events in question that we are. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:48, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Modern scholars may introduce new names, but this shall be done by scholars not by wikipedians (or it is WP:OR). I referred to the works of the Biaudet who published in 1910 his researches in the Vatican Archives for a period up to 1648: he was not contemporary or closer to the events in question. See also Origine e Carattere della Nunziatura di Napoli, 1523-1569 by Villani 1958, or the eminent Fonti per la Storia d'Italia: Nunziature di Napoli 1962. A ntv (talk) 22:33, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm not doubting anything specific you have said, just the overgeneralized nature of your broader statements. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:22, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose (1) Brevity is a virtue for categories (2) there is no room for ambiguity, since the Pope did not send multiple ambassadors to the same place. This is in addition to the issues others have raised.  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:39, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:56, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Relisting with alternative:
 * Rename Category:Ambassadors to the Kingdom of Naples to Category:Ambassadors to Naples
 * Rename Category:Ambassadors of France to the Kingdom of Naples to Category:Ambassadors of France to Naples
 * Pinging the participants for their further comments. I am not supporting either the original or the alternative, but this CFD ought to settle for one or the other, rather than leaving inconsistent category names. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:56, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Also pinging as contributors to an earlier version of the French category. – Fayenatic  L ondon 22:02, 13 November 2016 (UTC)


 * While re-reading the earlier discussion I think we shouldn't change anything, per explanation of User:A ntv. As for the option of renaming "Kingdom of Naples," presumably that should only be done if applied to the whole category tree; and besides in that case "Naples (kingdom)" would be preferable over plain "Naples" in order to avoid ambiguity. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:25, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
 * do you mean that you prefer to keep the Apostolic and French categories with non-matching names? – Fayenatic  L ondon 23:18, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
 * That's what I mean. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:30, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose changing the others to plain "Naples". I'd rather have the inconsistency within this tree than develop a broader inconsistency with the parent . Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:52, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
 * That was my line of thought as well. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:30, 17 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Support original move, keep everything at Kingdom of Naples - brevity is always good in category names, but so are clarity and predictability. In this case I think it's sensible to keep the modern city and the historical kingdom distinct. Also User:A ntv should note that technically there are no ambassadors to the United Kingdom, they are appointed to the Court of St James's - but Wikipedia follows the WP:COMMONNAME and has category names for ambassadors to the UK. Usability is more important than official usage, particularly when it comes to category names.Le Deluge (talk) 02:41, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Support original proposal Subcategory of . Armbrust The Homunculus 06:20, 21 December 2016 (UTC)


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AEL Limassol F.C.

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename Category:AEL FC managers to Category:AEL Limassol managers; merge Category:AEL FC players to Category:AEL Limassol players; rename Category:AEL BC players to Category:AEL Limassol (basketball) players. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:33, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:AEL FC managers to Category:AEL Limassol F.C. managers
 * Nominator's rationale: The team was commonly known as AEL Limassol (uefa.com), with a Greek team also called themselves AEL FC from Larissa (which common name was disputed, UEFA use Larissa FC, the club just use AEL, media use AE Larissa and other combination) Nevertheless, the current category system was for the Cyprus club, which should be moved to distinguish the two clubs (a rough inspection, seem most of the wasn't mis-cated). Matthew_hk   t  c  15:13, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I also nominated
 * Category:AEL FC players to Category:AEL Limassol F.C. players
 * Category:AEL BC players to Category:AEL Limassol B.C. players (A.E. Larissa from Greek also have basketball section) Matthew_hk   t  c  15:15, 20 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. Matthew_hk   t  c  15:19, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Really we need separate articles about the football and basketball clubs... GiantSnowman 19:43, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:15, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment: it may be helpful to state the current article on the football club is at AEL Limassol, and the article on the basketball club is at AEL Limassol (basketball). Note that neither of the proposed names meet the usual speedy-renaming criteria WP:C2D namely to match the article names. you may now wish to comment further. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:15, 13 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment Did it qualify to speedy renaming the football cat to Category:AEL Limassol players (that's merged with parent cat) and basketball cat to Category:AEL Limassol (basketball) players? Matthew_hk   t  c  04:51, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
 * The category names should match the article names - so and . GiantSnowman 07:58, 14 November 2016 (UTC)


 * It seems like this is a straightforward WP:C2D case:
 * Rename Category:AEL FC managers to Category:AEL Limassol managers
 * Merge Category:AEL FC players to Category:AEL Limassol players
 * Rename Category:AEL BC players to Category:AEL Limassol (basketball) players
 * Marcocapelle (talk) 13:10, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it should be renamed.Bluesangrel (talk) 04:06, 24 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Alternate Speedy Rename Per Marcocapelle. The main article is AEL Limassol so the category should be Category:AEL Limassol managers per WP:C2D. (If the article is ever renamed, we can speedy rename the categories to match.) RevelationDirect (talk) 22:27, 26 November 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Politics of the Palestinian territories

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Although no opposition was expressed to the first, or to the third as revised, the changes would make them inconsistent with sub-cats or parents respectively, so it seems to me that some actual support would be required in order to demonstrate sufficient consensus to make the changes. – Fayenatic  L ondon 22:44, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Politics of the Palestinian territories to Category:Politics of the Palestinian National Authority
 * Propose renaming Category:Treaties of Palestine to Category:Treaties of the Palestinian National Authority (the content is mostly referring to PNA)
 * Propose renaming Category:Palestine geography stubs to Category:Palestinian National Authority geography stubs (the content is specifically mostly referring to PNA)
 * Reformulate - propose rename to Category:Mandatory Palestine geography stubs per Carlossuarez.GreyShark (dibra) 13:53, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Nominator's rationale: The Palestinian territories is a geographic definition (areas under Palestinian control or partial control as referred by the UN), while the politics certainly belong to the geopolitical ruler of those territories - the Palestinian National Authority. Palestine is too generic, as is currently a disambig page.GreyShark (dibra) 16:47, 13 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Oppose the last one which contains "Mandatory Palestine" geography stubs which have nothing to do with the PNA, and several appear to be in Israel not in any area the UN recognizes as under the PNA. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 00:29, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Indeed the last one is a mashup on various topics - mainly of Mandatory Palestine, so probably rename to Category:Mandatory Palestine geography stubs will resolve this with later cleanup.GreyShark (dibra) 13:29, 15 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Oppose renaming Category:Treaties of Palestine. This category includes treaties entered into by the PLO, the Palestinian National Authority, and the State of Palestine. Which of these entities entered into the treaty usually depends of which entity was recognised at the time as a valid treaty-making body. There are a fair number of State of Palestine ones currently, and it's by no means overwhelming PNA ones. (In fact, at this stage, it's probably majority State of Palestine treaties.) It seems that the ambiguity here is helpful. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:49, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
 * How about renaming to Category:Treaties of the State of Palestine?GreyShark (dibra) 05:51, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
 * That would probably be better. But, of course, several of them are treaties agreed to by the PLO or the PNA, with no claim even by Palestine that it was entering the agreement as a "State of Palestine", which is why I would support the status quo, since it accurately covers all three possible contingencies. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:11, 19 November 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Wikipedian interested in football in Armenia

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Wikipedians interested in football in Armenia, Category:Wikipedians interested in football in Azerbaijan. – Fayenatic  L ondon 22:50, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting wikipedian interested in football in armenia


 * Propose deleting wikipedian interested in football in azerbaijan (added 13 Nov, 22:19)
 * Nominator's rationale: Should be deleted Hovhannes Karapetyan 16:24, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Why? Gjs238 (talk) 16:29, 13 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment: As Football in Armenia links to Association football, I have moved the category down into Category:Wikipedian association football fans as well as Category:Wikipedians interested in Armenia. This category should be considered along with Category:Wikipedian interested in football in Azerbaijan so I am adding that to this nomination, as it is the only other national football interest category that I found, although there are categories for fans of national teams and of national leagues. – Fayenatic  L ondon 22:19, 13 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Rename both to 'Wikipedians interested in football in ...'. No case for deletion has been made. Oculi (talk) 14:35, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Agree Gjs238 (talk) 12:43, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Merge to parent categories per WP:SMALLCAT, there is currently just one editor in both categories. If kept, support adding -s in the category name. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:49, 20 November 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Customer experience management

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:30, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Customer experience management to Category:Customer experience
 * Nominator's rationale: rename per WP:C2D to align with main article Customer experience. Speedy nomination was declined because of Customer experience but the content of the category is more about customer experience in general than about customer experience management specifically. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:56, 13 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Rename to match main article and for truth in advertising of the actual contents. RevelationDirect (talk) 22:49, 26 November 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Nova Scotian Settler (Sierra Leone) families

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:29, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Nova Scotian Settler (Sierra Leone) families to Category:Nova Scotian Settlers
 * Nominator's rationale: upmerge per WP:SMALLCAT, currently only one article. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:34, 13 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Close to match related categories, which are subject to a CFD of a few days ago. Category:Nova Scotian Settlers (Sierra Leone) looked like a viable target.  The suggested target is liable to pick up early colonists in Nova Scotia, which would not be the intention, so that a dab extension is needed.  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:58, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Note that the target Category:Nova Scotian Settlers is currently not nominated for discussion. If it's going to be nominated I will agree with renaming to Category:Nova Scotian Settlers (Sierra Leone). It is a matter of WP:C2C. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:33, 13 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment FYI I have added Category:African diaspora as a parent category. Ottawahitech (talk) 23:11, 16 November 2016 (UTC)please ping me
 * That wasn't needed because it's already contained in the tree of Category:Sierra Leone Creole people. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:30, 19 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment The version history of this category shows that it has already gone through another mysterious wp:CfD. Ottawahitech (talk) 23:18, 16 November 2016 (UTC)please ping me
 * Not very mysterious, just renaming by adding (Sierra Leone) between brackets. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:34, 17 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Merge Per Nom for Now The main article is Nova Scotian Settlers so the category names should blindly match and this one article category isn't serving a navigational function. All that being said, I think the article should be renamed to add the "(Sierra Leone)" clarification since many readers would not expect the African connection. RevelationDirect (talk) 03:12, 27 November 2016 (UTC)


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