Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2016 November 4



Category:Economic globalization indices

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:50, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Economic globalization indices to Category:Global economic indicators
 * Nominator's rationale: rename, per actual content of the category, none of the articles is about globalization as such. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:24, 4 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom. Neutralitytalk 19:23, 12 November 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Portrayals of Mormons in popular media

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:32, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Portrayals of Mormons in popular media to Category:Latter Day Saints in popular culture
 * Nominator's rationale: rename in three ways: remove portrayals (redundant), change Mormons to Latter Day Saints (to align with Category:Latter Day Saints) and change media to culture (to align with Category:Christianity in popular culture). Marcocapelle (talk) 15:53, 4 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Support -- They prefer to be called LDS, not Mormons. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:31, 6 November 2016 (UTC)


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Category:La Liga clubs in Europe

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic  L ondon 07:38, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting category


 * Nominator's rationale: This category includes all the final matches of the eurocups with the Spanish clubs. But this matches are just included to the categories Category:Real Madrid C.F. matches, Category:FC Barcelona matches, Category:Valencia CF matches etc, which are subcategories of the Category:Spanish football club matches. Nothing to require a separate category -- it is enough the Category:Spanish football club matches with the subcategories per each club. Besides, we have similar categories neither for Serie A (Italy) no for Bundesliga etc {see Category:Football clubs in European football). It are seen no reasons for the existence of an exception for Spain. Unikalinho (talk) 09:52, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Category page was not tagged until today. – Fayenatic  L ondon 13:56, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
 * If kept, Rename to Category:Spanish football clubs in European competitions, to match the main article. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:21, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Do we have special criteria for such a category in general, without reference to its title? In my opinion no--Unikalinho (talk) 18:01, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NONDEF, this is about matches, not about clubs. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:03, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Fayenatic  L ondon 13:56, 4 November 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Plants in popular culture

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 * The result of the discussion was: withdrawn (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 07:37, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Plants in popular culture to Category:Plants in culture
 * Nominator's rationale: This was created as Category:Plants in culture but was moved to Category:Plants in popular culture last year by User:Kanghuitari. I think Category:Plants in culture, as the broader term, would be more suitable as the category name. (One of its subcats is Category:Plants in religion, and I doubt that most people would regard religion as a subset of pop culture.) Paul_012 (talk) 13:50, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Update: Category:Plants in popular culture now has a valid member, Category:Bananas in popular culture. I'll manually re-create and populate Category:Plants in culture. Please consider this request withdrawn. --Paul_012 (talk) 14:18, 4 November 2016 (UTC)


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Category:School police departments of the United Kingdom

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 07:46, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:School police departments of the United Kingdom to Category:University police forces of the United Kingdom
 * Nominator's rationale: Both are university police forces. Universities are never referred to as schools in the UK and police forces are never referred to as police departments. Both are Americanisms. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:39, 4 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Rename. The nom is correct re the UK. In fact the article for the parent is Campus police and so the parent category could be renamed to Category:Campus police. 62.64.155.196 (talk) 00:12, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Support -- The main article also needs renaming to match that, as does the parent. The two UK forces are not campus police, because neither of the universities have a campus.  Both consist of colleges scattered all over those cities.  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:36, 6 November 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Promotional models

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Model cars, and purge inappropriate member pages. – Fayenatic  L ondon 07:45, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Promotional models to Category:Model cars
 * Nominator's rationale: rename to disambiguate from promotional models as described in the article which is about women instead of cars. The suggested new name is based on the article Model car, this narrows the scope of the category a bit, so articles which no longer belong should be upmerged. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:40, 4 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Support although Promotional model and Milk Queen will need to be dealt with somehow. Twiceuponatime (talk) 11:09, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
 * They should be moved to Category:Promotion and marketing communications. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:56, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Category:Modeling would be more appropriate; model is a more defining characteristic than milk or promotion. --Mark viking (talk) 18:50, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Possibly both. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:28, 12 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment – there is already Category:Toy cars and trucks. Oculi (talk) 12:48, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for finding this category, I suppose this makes an appropriate merge target (instead of rename). Marcocapelle (talk) 15:56, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I can go along with that, although there may be some who want to distinguish toys (to be played with) and models (accurate portrayals and often for display). Twiceuponatime (talk) 11:02, 5 November 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Bubble in fiction

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 07:51, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting bubble in fiction


 * Nominator's rationale: I procedurally declined speedy deletion, but I will nominate for deletion, using the speedy nominator's reason, to wit:


 * An incredibly broad category comparable to previously deleted ones such as Chains in fiction, Kingdoms in fiction, etc

I concur with that user's reasoning as outlined in the above previous discussions. Safiel (talk) 03:41, 4 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Pinging the speedy nominator. Safiel (talk) 03:44, 4 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete – a ridiculous category. Oculi (talk) 12:51, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete, what's next Category:Films about bubbles and stuff? Carlossuarez46 (talk) 22:25, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete. Give me a break. Bearcat (talk) 18:56, 11 November 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Supernatural fiction

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:36, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Supernatural fiction to Category:Supernatural
 * Nominator's rationale: Redundant category. JDDJS (talk) 02:35, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep Supernatural fiction should be a subcategory of category:supernatural and and category:speculative ficiton--Taeyebar 23:09, 4 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Oppose. Categories are not redundant. does not only contain fiction; rather, it contains numerous things (witches, banshees, leprechauns, succubi, miracles, fairies, etc.) which, regardless of any POV debate about whether they really correspond to real-world things or not, inarguably exist as real-world concepts. Bearcat (talk) 04:53, 6 November 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Presbyterian mayors

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 07:59, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting presbyterian mayors


 * Propose deleting presbyterian mayors of places in canada


 * Nominator's rationale: There is no overall scheme for either or . It's a more or less trivial intersection of otherwise potentially defining characteristics, as far as I can see. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:12, 4 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete -- This tree contains one article, being a triple intersection. That article may need a Presbyterian category adding.  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:39, 6 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete. In a country which is predominantly Christian to begin with, which particular Christian denomination a mayor happens to belong to is not WP:DEFINING of their mayoralty in any non-trivial way. Jews, Muslims or Buddhists might be different, but the question of whether a mayor was Presbyterian, Anglican, Roman Catholic, Baptist or United-Church, when all of those are simply denominations within the majority religious grouping in Canada, is of little substantive consequence. Watson should be readded to — but a subcategory linking his religion to his mayoralty, as if that intersection of traits were a defining characteristic in its own right, is not warranted. Bearcat (talk) 19:31, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete trivial intersection of religion and job and country. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 22:26, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment I created this category when I noticed the existence of Category:Jewish mayors. I realize that Jewishness is sometimes used as an ethnicity as well as a religion. But shouldn't this be somehow clarified? Is it now acceptable to create categories of people by religion?Ottawahitech (talk) 01:01, 9 November 2016 (UTC)please ping me
 * See: Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_November_21 and Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_November_21. Ottawahitech (talk) 01:06, 9 November 2016 (UTC)please ping me
 * You're using discussions that resulted in those categories being deleted to support that these categories should be kept? Bearcat (talk) 14:13, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
 * You've twigged onto the correct distinction — Jewish is not just a religion, but an ethnicity — but the other consideration you've missed is that regardless of whether you treat it as a religious grouping or an ethnic one, they're a group who historically faced discrimination in many societies (including Canada), and thus had structural and social disadvantages that made it harder for a Jew to succeed in politics than it ever was for a Christian. But the existence of a category for Jewish mayors does not mean we want or need a comprehensive scheme of catting all mayors by their religious affiliations — Christian politicians are not defined by which particular Christian denomination they happen to belong to, because there has never been any notable history of anti-Presbyterian discrimination in Canada or elsewhere that impacted whether a Presbyterian could become a mayor or not. The overwhelming majority of all mayors in Canada have been Christians of one denomination or another, so it would be entirely pointless and unmaintainable to subcat people on a religion-occupation intersection that represents the norm for that occupation. (By comparison, it would be entirely pointless for exactly the same reasons to balance "women mayors" directly against "male mayors", "Black Canadian politicians" directly against "White Canadian politicians", or "LGBT politicians" directly against "heterosexual politicians"). We categorize on defining characteristics, not on every conjunction of unrelated traits that merely happens to be shared by a number of people.
 * And as has been pointed out to you before, while Wikipedia certainly recommends notifying the content creator of a deletion discussion, we do not have any rule that failing to do so is an actionable issue that can lead to sanctions. Whether notifications should happen or not, the reality is that for a variety of reasons (including purely technical ones for which nobody could legitimately be blamed at all) you're simply not going to always get them — so it is ultimately your responsibility to watchlist anything you feel strongly about rather than attacking the nominator for not notifying you. Bearcat (talk) 14:13, 10 November 2016 (UTC)


 * I appreciate your long an complicated reply explaining why we have a category: Jewish mayors. However, as a contributor to Wikipedia categories it is still not clear to me (and, I suspect, to others) what the wp:guidelines are when creating wp:religion-related categories.


 * As far as your advice about my responsibility(?) "to watchlist anything you feel strongly about" it would probably take me much less effort to simply stalk the edits both you and User:Good Olfactory make to wp:CfD since you are the only editors who nominate many of the categories I create for deletion without bothering to notify me. However, stalking takes time and will be at the expense of other contributions I would rather make to Wikipedia. Ottawahitech (talk) 17:10, 11 November 2016 (UTC)please ping me
 * The guideline you claim is lacking most certainly does exist, actually: religion-related categories are covered by WP:CATEGRS (ethnicity, gender, religion and sexuality) rules. In this particular situation, the relevant section is the one on "special subcategories": for these categories to be justified, "Presbyterian" would have to have a directly relevant, WP:DEFINING relationship with "mayor". It's not enough that mayors existed who were Presbyterians, because the category system is not just a way to create lists of everything it might be possible to create a list of — the Presbyterianism and the mayoralty would have to have a direct and substantive impact on each other.
 * And for the record, watchlisting things doesn't require any grand herculean effort on your part — all you have to do is click a little star on the top of the page, and then check your watchlist once in a while. In what way is that even remotely harder than actively wikistalking other people would be? Bearcat (talk) 18:33, 11 November 2016 (UTC)


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Category:American horror fiction television series

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 * The result of the discussion was: procedural keep, without prejudice against renominating together with the siblings and parent (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 08:05, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:American horror fiction television series to Category:American horror television series
 * Nominator's rationale: Including fiction in the title is not necessary. It's not include in Category:American horror novels or Category:American horror films. JDDJS (talk) 01:42, 4 November 2016 (UTC)


 * I agree with the nominator in principle, but, and the six other country-specific subcategories that are siblings to this one, are also named in the same format — which means the same issue applies to all of them, not just to this one alone. Procedural keep, pending resubmission as a batch. Bearcat (talk) 04:46, 6 November 2016 (UTC)


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