Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2016 September 14



Category:Baton Rouge mayoral elections

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 05:53, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting baton rouge mayoral elections


 * Nominator's rationale: The category's one entry is a redirect. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 23:18, 14 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment - This category is the legacy of User:Futurewiki, a prolific sockpuppet who made a mountain of cleanup. Magnolia677 (talk) 23:33, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete. No relevant articles. Even the lone redirect in the category is of questionable value. The category is unlikely to grow. • Gene93k (talk) 23:36, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete Per the spirit of WP:C1, an empty category. RevelationDirect (talk) 22:59, 16 September 2016 (UTC)


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Category:GJ 1214

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 06:00, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting gj 1214


 * Nominator's rationale: I'm nominating this per WP:SMALLCAT: it contains only two articles with no (current) possibility for expansion. Praemonitus (talk) 21:49, 14 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete -- This covers a star and its planet(s). Since we are unlikely ever to know much about the planet (except that it exists), it can all be adequately linked by a template.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:06, 18 September 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Albums produced by Cardiak
Relisted, see Categories for discussion/Log/2016 September 24

Category:Boats designed by E.N. Maryanov

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 06:04, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting boats designed by e.n. maryanov


 * Nominator's rationale: Unlikely to ever have more than one entry; subject does not have an article. — swpb T 18:04, 14 September 2016 (UTC)


 * I've no objectionRathfelder (talk) 11:40, 20 September 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Biota of Turkestan

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to  Category:Biota of Central Asia and merge to  (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 06:08, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting biota of turkestan


 * Propose deleting flora of turkestan


 * Nominator's rationale: Biota and flora of a non-existent country, which overlaps existing countries for which "biota" and "flora" categories exist — swpb T 18:00, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I have combined two related noms. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:47, 18 September 2016 (UTC)


 *  Possible keep  -- in dealing with biota, we have veered away from having national categories, which often becomes a variety of category clutter, towards categories for broad regions of the world. Turkestan is a well defined region, consisting of all the former Soviet republics in Central Asia - between Russia to the north and Iran and Afghanistan to the south.  Continental categories are too large to work well and nation al ones are too small.  This is an appropriate compromise.  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:52, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I think is doing that job already. Maybe rename to  Category:Biota of Central Asia and merge to  respectively. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:25, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Support Fayenatic. This is a  better solution than  that I was putting forward, though along the same lines.  Peterkingiron (talk) 21:26, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
 * For flora, we have agreed to use the World Geographical Scheme for Recording Plant Distributions as the primary method of categorizing distributions – see WP:PLANTS/WGSRPD. Thus I agree with Fayenatic that "Central Asia" (strictly speaking it should be "Middle Asia") is the category that should be used. Peter coxhead (talk) 22:01, 21 September 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Ohloh templates

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 * The result of the discussion was: upmerged. (non-admin closure) SST  flyer  15:44, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting ohloh templates


 * Nominator's rationale: Only two entries, unlikely to be more. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:10, 14 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Merge to all parents. – Fayenatic  L ondon 13:01, 23 September 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Fruits by colour

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 06:22, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting yellow fruits


 * Propose deleting orange fruits


 * Propose deleting fruits by colour


 * Nominator's rationale: Apart from the difficulty of deciding what colour fruit is (Banana was placed in the yellow fruits category, but only some kinds of banana are yellow, others are red or green, even when ripe; what colour are plums or apples?), are we to have a category for every colour of fruit and every combination of colours? These seem pointless categories to me. Peter coxhead (talk) 16:13, 14 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. And a banana isn't a fruit either...  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 17:54, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete non-defining, and many fruits have different colors. It's like comparing apples and oranges (bad humor). Carlossuarez46 (talk) 18:16, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete Per nom. Also, Category:Orange fruits would be confused with Category:Oranges. RevelationDirect (talk) 23:01, 16 September 2016 (UTC)


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Category:American military personnel by state

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to option B. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:12, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Option A:
 * Category:Military personnel from Connecticut to Category:American military personnel from Connecticut
 * Category:Military personnel from New York to Category:American military personnel from New York
 * Category:Military personnel from New York City to Category:American military personnel from New York City
 * Category:Military personnel from Oregon to Category:American military personnel from Oregon
 * Category:Military personnel from Minneapolis, Minnesota to Category:American military personnel from Minneapolis, Minnesota
 * Category:California military personnel to Category:American military personnel from California
 * Category:Montana military personnel to Category:American military personnel from Montana
 * Category:United States military veterans from Indiana to Category:American military personnel from Indiana
 * Propose renaming Option B:
 * Category:American military personnel from Maryland‎ to Category:Military personnel from Maryland
 * Category:American military personnel from Michigan‎ to Category:Military personnel from Michigan
 * Category:American military personnel from Minnesota‎ to Category:Military personnel from Minnesota
 * Category:American military personnel from West Virginia‎ to Category:Military personnel from West Virginia
 * Category:American military personnel from Wisconsin‎ to Category:Military personnel from Wisconsin
 * Category:California military personnel to Category:Military personnel from California
 * Category:Montana military personnel to Category:Military personnel from Montana
 * Category:United States military veterans from Indiana to Category:Military personnel from Indiana
 * Nominator's rationale: This is a renomination of Categories for discussion/Log/2016 July 25. That discussion got a fair amount of opposition, so I figured it'd be best to reformat to give an "Option A" and "B" so we can achieve consistency one way or the other. "Option A" would rename most so that all categories include American. "Option B" would rename most to not include American. I think I'm leaning towards Option B since it's more concise and American is unnecessary in this context. If someone is from a certain state, it would already imply they're American. -- Tavix ( talk ) 15:52, 14 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Sending an WP:APPNOTE to the participants of the previous discussion:, , , , , , and . -- Tavix ( talk ) 16:33, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Option B for the reasons I gave before. Thanks for making this nomination. – Fayenatic  L ondon 22:10, 14 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment – Option B is consistent with Category:People from Connecticut by occupation etc. Oculi (talk) 22:10, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Note - regardless of the outcome of this discussion, the Minneapolis category should also be subject to Categories for discussion/Log/2016 September 6, which was opened 2 days before the creation of this category. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 17:43, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Option B -- "American" is redundant, as its potential sibling Category:English military personnel from Connecticut would obviously never get populated. However, the parent should retain "American", as there could be siblings for this.  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:56, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Option B per Peterkingiron. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:52, 21 September 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Mayors of Sulphur, Louisiana

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 * The result of the discussion was: dual upmerge (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 06:26, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Mayors of Sulphur, Louisiana into Category:People from Sulphur, Louisiana
 * Nominator's rationale: Only has one entry. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 15:06, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Upmerge, both to Category:People from Sulphur, Louisiana and to Category:Mayors of places in Louisiana. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 17:40, 15 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Dual upmerge per עוד מישהו. Many precedents.  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:57, 18 September 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional Los Angeles Police Department police officers

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 06:29, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming fictional los angeles police department officers


 * Nominator's rationale: Consistent with Category:Fictional American police officers categories; x2 police is redundant. --Omanyd (talk) 07:53, 14 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Support Clearer, less wordy. RevelationDirect (talk) 23:02, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Support. Obvious. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:51, 21 September 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Blade (comics) television series

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete; upmerge contents. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:09, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting blade (comics) television series


 * Nominator's rationale: There has been only one actual Blade tv series. JDDJS (talk) 23:41, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 04:06, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Upmerge to parent categories per WP:SMALLCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:53, 22 September 2016 (UTC)


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Category:São Paulo (city)

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename top category and Sport sub-category. Some of those opting for "keep" relied on precedents rather than the merits of the case, but the force of such precedents is reduced following a recent shift in consensus to remove state names where city names were a clear primary topic, e.g. Categories_for_discussion/Log/2016_September_6, some of which had previously been justified on grounds of ambiguity (as well as consistency within US placenames).
 * Procedural note: the other sub-categories have not been tagged, so these should now be tagged and listed for speedy renaming. – Fayenatic  L ondon 13:01, 25 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:São Paulo (city) to Category:São Paulo
 * Propose renaming Category:São Paulo (city)-related lists to Category:São Paulo-related lists
 * Propose renaming Category:Buildings and structures in São Paulo (city) to Category:Buildings and structures in São Paulo
 * Propose renaming Category:Culture in São Paulo (city)‎ to Category:Culture in São Paulo
 * Propose renaming Category: Economy of São Paulo (city)‎ to Category: Economy of São Paulo
 * Propose renaming Category:Education in São Paulo (city) to Category:Education in São Paulo
 * Propose renaming Category:Education in São Paulo (city) to Category:Education in São Paulo
 * Propose renaming Category: Geography of São Paulo (city)‎ to Category: Geography of São Paulo
 * Propose renaming Category:History of São Paulo (city) to Category:History of São Paulo
 * Propose renaming Category:Organisations based in São Paulo (city)‎ to Category:Organisations based in São Paulo
 * Propose renaming Category:History of São Paulo (city) to Category:History of São Paulo
 * Propose renaming Category:History of São Paulo (city) to Category:History of São Paulo
 * Propose renaming Category:History of São Paulo (city) to Category:History of São Paulo
 * Propose renaming Category:People from São Paulo (city) to Category:People from São Paulo
 * Propose renaming Category:Sport in São Paulo (city) to Category:Sport in São Paulo
 * Propose renaming Category:Transport in São Paulo (city) to Category:Transport in São Paulo
 * Propose renaming Category: São Paulo (city) templates to Category: São Paulo templates


 * Nominator's rationale: WP:NCCAT, the article titled "São Paulo" is about the city, so the categories about the city should have the same name. Prisencolin (talk) 02:03, 14 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep  – as stated at Category:São Paulo, a dab page. São Paulo can refer to the city or the state. Accordingly, to avoid miscategorisation, it is necessary to add {city) and (state) to the category names. (There are quite a few similar instances, eg . was the result of a rename by cfd in 2011.) Oculi (talk) 07:47, 14 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep  per Dublin precedent. Laurel Lodged (talk) 14:00, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep per Bremen precedent (and apparently, Dublin too). Carlossuarez46 (talk) 18:20, 14 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Indeed Category:Bremen (city). Also Category:Waterford (city). There are others such as Category:Cork (city), Category:Luxembourg (city) and Category:Djibouti (city) where the article is also dabbed. Oculi (talk) 23:23, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Then these should be renamed too. WP:NCCAT applies to all types of categories.--Prisencolin (talk) 18:09, 15 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Rename - if the title is unambiguous enough for the article, it's unambiguous enough for the categories. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 17:36, 15 September 2016 (UTC)


 * If the article name is ambiguous then it is no good for a category. This is an obvious point. If you get to the wrong article you will re-navigate: not important. If you put an article in the wrong category, then you are making a false assertion on wikipedia: vital. Oculi (talk) 18:10, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
 * The WP:PRIMARYTOPIC of the term São Paolo has been determined to be the city, so it would be confusing to make the category different.--Prisencolin (talk) 23:05, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
 * And if some user puts a link to the wrong place in an other article, it's also making a false assertion. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 03:53, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Primary topic does not carry the same importance in categories as it does in articles. The function of categories is to assist navigation. A greater degree of precision and disambiguation is therefore necessary. Laurel Lodged (talk) 10:26, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
 * A reader going to the wrong page wastes time and adding the category wastes time. Each incident of the wrong category would waste more time but many more readers would make that mistake. I don't think we should care about clarity when it comes to editors and throw our readers to the wind with vague article titles. RevelationDirect (talk) 23:13, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I entirely agree. That's why the current cat name makes such errors less likely. It would be obvious that you were going to the city and not the region. Your argument rather supports "Keep". Laurel Lodged (talk) 21:47, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Hopefully my RM passes and I'll gladly switch my vote on this nomination! RevelationDirect (talk) 01:41, 18 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Rename CFD should not poach discussions that belong at the article level in a requested move. Rightly or wrongly, the main article is São Paulo so the categories should follow. (I *would* favor renaming the article though.) RevelationDirect (talk) 23:13, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Requested Move The main article, São Paulo, has been nominated for a Requested Move (RM) here. Your input (pro/con/other) is always welcome. RevelationDirect (talk) 23:25, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep -- It is the capital of São Paulo (state). Sometimes, categories not disambiguators where articles do not.  The classic case is Birmingham where the categories are at Birmingham, West Midlands - to keep out categories for Birmingham, AL.  That is a slightly different case, but all the city categories ought to be sub-cats of a state one.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:03, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
 * The Birmingham article is ambiguously named.RevelationDirect (talk) 09:29, 19 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Rename. Follow the article name. There's not a very good reason that categories should not adhere to the primary topic convention. I've heard a number of attempts to justify a distinction over the years, but at the end of the day, I have found that far more confusion results from category names differing from corresponding article names than results from category names that are not 100% unambiguous. Achieving 100% unambiguity is impossible. Achieving conformity between article names and category names is easy. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:29, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
 * In my view, the confusion arises from a lack of discipline and rigour in the naming of the articles, not in the naming of the categories. If the same logic and rigour was applied to articles, there would be no problem. The root cause of this indiscipline is the over-reliance on WP:Primary and the unwarrented importance attached to WP:Common. They whould be relegated to a few steps lower in the hierarchy IMHO. Laurel Lodged (talk) 08:11, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, having uniformity throughout the project is a good thing. It's not a good thing (in the sense of it being confusing for readers) to have little sections of Wikipedia, such as categories, applying different naming standards than articles follow. Users should attempt to change the general naming approach Wikipedia uses if they feel article names are going in the wrong direction. It's entirely the wrong approach to maintain categories as its own bailiwick of what certain users regard as more appropriate naming. (Gad, I'm starting to sound like Alansohn circa 2012.) But just for once, I'd like to see users do something for the good of the project that happens to go against their personal preference. Good Ol’factory (talk) 05:56, 26 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep per Oculi....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 23:40, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment. RM was closed as "No move. Consensus is that the city is the primary topic of the term." Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:08, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Rename per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC and WP:CONSISTENCY. Nohomersryan (talk) 18:10, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Requested Move Of Main Article Failed My nomination to rename the main article to add "(city)" failed by a large margin. While I respectfully disagree with that outcome, I don't wish to undermine that decision by using a different naming convention in the category space. RevelationDirect (talk) 16:28, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Rename per main article and also per the recent US cities CFD. Categories should match the main article titles, not randomly introduce disambiguation needlessly. Timrollpickering (talk) 22:34, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
 * An eponymous category should always be at the same level of disambiguation as the eponym — if there's ever a situation where a category needs to be disambiguated more precisely than the article does, that fact in and of itself constitutes proof that the article is at the wrong level of disambiguation. I don't know whether the right answer is to rename these categories, or to move the article back to a disambiguated title — but I do know that the rationale that they need to be at different levels of disambiguation from each other is a non-starter: if just plain São Paulo is too ambiguous to be the category name, then it's too ambiguous to be the article title either. Bearcat (talk) 22:37, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Rename. The article title on the city is at São Paulo, so the category on the city should match that. -- Tavix ( talk ) 03:05, 20 October 2016 (UTC)


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