Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2016 September 15



Category:Unofficial works based on Star Wars

 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was: Merge to Category:Works based on Star Wars. Timrollpickering (talk) 11:15, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Unofficial works based on Star Wars into Category:Star Wars fandom
 * Nominator's rationale: Unofficial works means fandom, in this context. This category was created 8 years after the merge target. The merge target and this category include the same categories, but the target includes another 28 articles as well. Debresser (talk) 23:52, 15 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment I'm not sure the Category:Star Wars parodies subcategory would work with the proposed merge. Spaceballs doesn't fit with fan fiction. RevelationDirect (talk) 22:47, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Note that Category:Star Wars parodies is already in Category:Star Wars fandom. All I am proposing is to get rid of the duplicate category Category:Unofficial works based on Star Wars. Debresser (talk) 16:49, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
 * By the way, who says it isn't fandom? Just because Mel Brooks directed it? Perhaps he is also a fan? 16:51, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
 * As a reader I would expect "fans" to mean unauthorized, spare time, hobbyists and convention types not professional productions. I do see your perspective though. RevelationDirect (talk) 20:04, 17 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Oppose Current Nomination I'm not comfortable with Hollywood parodies being under fandom. I'm open to other changes to this tree though. RevelationDirect (talk) 18:10, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose As the category includes productions that have nothing to do with "fandom". Dimadick (talk) 12:33, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Alt merge to Category:Works based on Star Wars, a category with only two subcats and no articles isn't really helpful for easy navigation and I don't see a high need for separating out "unofficial" things. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:07, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Alt Merge I'd be fine with that. RevelationDirect (talk) 16:30, 2 October 2016 (UTC)


 * merge to Category:Works based on Star Wars per Marcocapelle. Given the uneasiness with merging everything to Category:Star Wars fandom, it's fair to just remove the "unofficial" designation: it's not necessary and not a standard way of categorizing works based on another work. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:22, 29 September 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Feminism and transgender topics

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:19, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Feminism and transgender topics to Category:Feminism and transgender
 * Nominator's rationale: Just because it's a topic category, doesn't mean it needs the word "topic" in the title. CN1 (talk) 21:18, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Question I think the name was constructed that way because "transgender" is an adjective not a noun, or at least it used to be. Have other editors seen it used as a noun? RevelationDirect (talk) 22:57, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
 * https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/transgender#Noun CN1 (talk) 08:22, 18 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Support for consistency, per WP:C2C. I wouldn't have a problem with renaming the entire tree of Category:Transgender to something else, but only as a later step, and honestly I don't see a good alternative right now. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:46, 22 September 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Military of Palestine

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Some clean-up/further action/possible re-nominations are going to be required after this is done. I'm not going to do this clean-up as part of the close of this discussion, so if interested users could do so, that would be helpful. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:17, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
 * 1. Propose renaming Category:Military of Palestine to Category:Military of the State of Palestine
 * 2. Propose renaming Category:Palestine campaignbox templates to Category:State of Palestine campaignbox templates
 * 3. Propose renaming Category:Palestine war and conflict navigational boxes to Category:State of Palestine war and conflict navigational boxes
 * 4. Propose renaming Category:Palestine navigational boxes to Category:State of Palestine navigational boxes
 * 5. Propose renaming Category:Palestine football navigational boxes to Category:State of Palestine football navigational boxes
 * 6. Propose merging Category:Palestine templates into Category:State of Palestine templates
 * 7. Propose renaming Category:Palestine politics and government templates into Category:State of Palestine politics and government templates
 * 8. Propose renaming Category:Palestine sports templates into Category:State of Palestine sports templates
 * 9. Propose renaming Category:Palestine sports navigational boxes into Category:State of Palestine sports navigational boxes
 * 10. Propose renaming Category:Palestine football templates into Category:State of Palestine football templates
 * 11. Propose renaming Category:Football in the Palestinian territories into Category:Football in the State of Palestine
 * 12. Propose renaming Category:Football clubs in the Palestinian territories into Category:Football clubs in the State of Palestine
 * 13. Propose renaming Category:Palestine national football team into Category:State of Palestine national football team
 * 14. Propose renaming Category:Palestine subdivision templates into Category:Palestinian National Authority subdivision templates
 * 15. Propose renaming Category:Palestine election templates into Category:Palestinian National Authority election templates
 * 16. Propose renaming Category:Palestine governorate templates into Category:Palestinian National Authority governorate templates


 * Nominator's rationale: Per conventional reference to military of a country (State of Palestine) rather than region (Palestine region) and in light of the recent conversion of Palestine into disambiguation page; also in the consequence of similar rename procedure earlier this year. Some categories are to be renamed to Palestinian National Authority prefix in line with page content.GreyShark (dibra) 07:41, 15 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Oppose I see a problem with for example Category:Palestine templates including such templates as Template:Arab citizens of Israel, Template:Palestinian diaspora and Template:Palestine (historic region) topics, where the first IMHO shouldn't be in a Palestine category at all, the second is about the people, not the state, and the third is specifically about the region, not the state. And there are likely many more templates like that, that are in these categories, but are not about the state at all. Debresser (talk) 23:56, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I understand your concerns. However, such concerns are the exact reason for the rename - Palestine is currently a disambig page, which may refer to State of Palestine, Palestinian National Authority, Mandatory Palestine, Palestine (region) and even more less utilized topics. There is no other case in Wikipedia i'm aware of when a region has a state-like category tree, so "Palestine (region)" should not be such, even though some users would like to have a fictional "Historic Palestine" state. Since the State of Palestine is the only topic viable for modern "country" definition (whether we agree or not) it should be the parent of the whole category tree. Arab citizens of Israel topic in my opinion doesn't belong to "State of Palestine templates", Palestinian diaspora is somewhat related and "Palestine (historic region) topics" is an irredentist WP:FORK of "Palestine topics" template and thus should be merged.GreyShark (dibra) 05:34, 18 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom or - if applicable - split per Debresser. I think the latter only applies to #4 and #6. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:26, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. The issue raised by Debresser is a topic for another day. nothing in Debresser's comments prevents this nomination going ahead. Laurel Lodged (talk) 10:29, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Rename -- Because of the multiple connotations of Palestine (partly historical), this nom should be implemented. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:10, 18 September 2016 (UTC)


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