Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2016 September 3



Category:Star Trek crossovers

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) SST  flyer  08:34, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting star trek crossovers


 * Nominator's rationale: Seems to be somewhat WP:OC - for example, Q2 (Star Trek: Voyager) isn't in the category, despite Q from Star Trek: The Next Generation playing a significant role in the epsode; nor is Through the Looking Glass (Star Trek: Deep Space Nine), despite the fact that the mirror Tuvok is a character there. In both cases, you could argue that the episodes don't meet the criteria - that Q isn't a true TNG character, and that Mirror Tuvok isn't the same as this universe's Tuvok; these issues can be handled better in an article (Star Trek crossovers) than in a category. Other issues include whether the Emergency Medical Hologram in Star Trek: First Contact is the same character as the same hologram on Voyager, having developed over time; and whether Keiko O'Brien, showing up in 8 TNG episodes but 19 DS9 episodes after having moved to the space station, truly counts as a TNG character. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 17:55, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I've got no real view one way or another. However, you did use an out of date deletion argument from a previous discussion. For example, you argued that "Through the Looking Glass" wasn't in the category - but it was when you wrote that. It just wasn't back in January when the argument was previously used. To demonstrate how easy a fix it was, I just took two minutes to add the other missing articles. What should be further considered is that this isn't just a Star Trek issue. These categories also exist: Category:Buffyverse crossovers, Category:Doctor Who crossovers, which of course all sit within Category:Crossover fiction. I would dare say that your argument that crossover fiction is artitrary would affect the main category, not just a group of Star Trek articles. Oh, and the query about Keiko O'Brien - not a crossover. She was a recurring character on one series, and then on another series. Otherwise, every episode of DS9 in which Miles O'Brien appears would also have to appear. But a fair argument would be whether "All Good Things..." would count as a crossover - after all, O'Brien was a main character on DS9 at the time but appeared on TNG. But again, I'll leave it up to others to decide whether or not crossover categories themselves should exist more generally. Miyagawa (talk) 20:11, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
 * As to your comment about Miles O'Brian, the linked article, Star Trek crossovers, explicitly lists the transfer of Worf and the O'Brians to DS9, although it doesn't list their episodes (for obvious reasons). My point still stands - this can be handled in an article, not so well in a category. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 06:26, 4 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Leaning Toward Delete Crossover (fiction) can occur another franchise licenses characters (think of a lot of super hero cameos) but it also can involve public domain classics that inspire later writers, per the article. That is way too broad and too common to be defining as a broad category. RevelationDirect (talk) 02:01, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete only meaningful in universe, purely trivial in the real world. FANCRUFT. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 20:27, 6 September 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Amphetamine alkaloids

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Good Ol’factory (talk) 07:08, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting amphetamine alkaloids
 * Propose deleting phenethylamine alkaloids
 * Nominator's rationale: Delete this category per WP:NARROWCAT. Members should be recategorized in both Category:Alkaloids and either Category:Phenethylamines or Category:Substituted amphetamines as appropriate. Mario Castelán Castro (talk) 16:24, 3 September 2016 (UTC).


 * Question why does WP:NARROWCAT apply to Category:Phenethylamine alkaloids but not to its siblings in Category:Alkaloids by chemical classification? Marcocapelle (talk) 06:15, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose at least until the question has been answered. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:31, 18 September 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Methamphetamines

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Good Ol’factory (talk) 07:07, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

I propose merging Category:Methamphetamines with Category:Substituted amphetamines. Substituted methamphetamines are substituted amphetamines which have a N-methyl group. It is a well defined chemical class. However, it is not an especially relevant chemical property about a drug. The scientific literature rarely if ever talks about this chemical class (unlike substituted amphetamines and substituted cathinones)

There are a lot of possible substituents that can be attached to the nitrogen atom other than the methyl group. For example: isopropyl (isopropylamphetamine), ethyl (etilamfetamine), butyl (methylenedioxybutylamphetamine), hydroxy (3,4-methylenedioxy-N-hydroxyamphetamine). For consistency, we should either have a category for all such substitute or else for none. Since neither of these categories are especially relevant with respect to SAR (structure-activity relationship), I believe that it is better to delete (by merging) the only such category that we have currently.

By comparison, Category:Cathinones is about a relevant chemical property by SAR and is mentioned as such in scientific literature. As an heuristic rule, the cathinone counterpart of releasing agents are typically reuptake inhibitors; cathinones are more lipophilic, are not monoamine receptor agonists and are not neurotoxic.

Mario Castelán Castro (talk) 15:38, 3 September 2016 (UTC).
 * Oppose for now because it is a valid subcategory of Category:Methamphetamine, the content shouldn't be removed from there. At least a wider nomination, tackling the whole tree of Category:Methamphetamine, is needed. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:28, 14 September 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Carniolan theologians

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 * The result of the discussion was: withdrawn. Good Ol’factory (talk) 07:05, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting carniolan theologians


 * Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:NARROWCAT, Carniola was a small duchy within the Habsburg Monarchy. It might well be an option to start a broader Category:Theologians of the Habsburg Monarchy but right now this doesn't even exist yet. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:14, 3 September 2016 (UTC) Marcocapelle (talk) 08:14, 3 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Object -- Carniola was one of the constituent duchies of the Austrian monarchy; it is now a substantial part of Slovenia. The Austrian monarchy covered a rather larger area than the present Austria, so that referring to these people as Austrian is misleading.  On the other hand, we do not allow them to be categorised as Slovenian, because that is an anachronism.  We have a lot of Carniolan occupational categories.  Deletion should not be an option, because that is liable to orphan them from any ethnic category.  We either need to find an acceptable merge (or rename) target for ALL or to keep them.  My preference is to keep all these.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:35, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Expand & Rename if Kept The current category is too narrow and obscure to really aid navigation. If we're going to make a go of this concept, the missing Category:Theologians of the Habsburg Monarchy category would be the right place to start. RevelationDirect (talk) 20:34, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Withdraw. I was merely looking at this category from the theologians perspective but I notice this category is (also) part of Category:Carniolan people by occupation. I have similar doubts about that parent, but it doesn't make sense to delete just one occupation category in isolation. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:22, 6 September 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Censuses in Australia

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 04:34, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting censuses in australia


 * Nominator's rationale: Only one page in it, and unlikely to have more. Mitch Ames (talk) 07:03, 3 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Oppose Appears to be part of a scheme e.g. see Category:Censuses in Canada and others. Capable of having more content. Twiceuponatime (talk) 08:48, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Sure, but there are no articles to place in this category. RevelationDirect (talk) 02:04, 4 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Despite the assertion above, this cat is not capable having more content because, unlike the Canadian example used, there is a single article for all Australian censuses, with barely a paragraph for each. Only the 2016 census has more than that, and that was because it has been such a mess. -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 09:05, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete for Now The one article, Census in Australia, is already well categorized and these categories are for articles on individual censuses not broad articles. If such articles ever appear, no objection to recreating the category. RevelationDirect (talk) 02:04, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Agree that we can create it again in future if more articles are created. Mitch Ames (talk) 07:53, 4 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete for now -- If we get articles on each individual census, we can re-create it. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:38, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete for now. Can be recreated when there is more than one or two articles to put in it.   Aoziwe (talk) 10:52, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. If sections from the Census in Australia ever get big enough to be split off into their own articles, then it may be worth recreating this category. - Evad37 &#91;talk] 03:08, 9 September 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Power transmission operators

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Good Ol’factory (talk) 07:00, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Electric power transmission system operators in Bangladesh‎ to Category:Electric power transmission system operators in Asia and Category:Power companies of Bangladesh
 * Propose merging Category:Electric power transmission system operators in Belgium‎ to Category:Electric power transmission system operators in Europe and Category:Power companies of Belgium
 * Propose merging Category:Electric power transmission system operators in Brazil‎ to Category:Electric power transmission system operators in South America and Category:Power companies of Brazil


 * Propose merging Category:Electric power transmission system operators in China‎ to Category:Electric power transmission system operators in Asia and Category:Power companies of China
 * Propose merging Category:Electric power transmission system operators in Denmark‎ to Category:Electric power transmission system operators in Europe and Category:Power companies of Denmark
 * Propose merging Category:Electric power transmission system operators in Estonia‎ to Category:Electric power transmission system operators in Europe and Category:Power companies of Estonia
 * Propose merging Category:Electric power transmission system operators in Finland‎ to Category:Electric power transmission system operators in Europe and Category:Power companies of Finland
 * Propose merging Category:Electric power transmission system operators in France‎ to Category:Electric power transmission system operators in Europe and Category:Power companies of France
 * Propose merging Category:Electric power transmission system operators in Greece‎ to Category:Electric power transmission system operators in Europe and Category:Power companies of Greece
 * Propose merging Category:Electric power transmission system operators in Iceland‎ to Category:Electric power transmission system operators in Europe and Category:Power companies of Iceland
 * Propose merging Category:Electric power transmission system operators in the Republic of Ireland‎ to Category:Electric power transmission system operators in Europe and Category:Power companies of the Republic of Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:Electric power transmission system operators in Italy‎ to Category:Electric power transmission system operators in Europe and Category:Power companies of Italy
 * Propose merging Category:Electric power transmission system operators in Kenya‎ to Category:Electric power transmission system operators in Africa and Category:Power companies of Kenya
 * Propose merging Category:Electric power transmission system operators in Kosovo‎ to Category:Electric power transmission system operators in Europe and Category:Power companies of Kosovo
 * Propose merging Category:Electric power transmission system operators in Latvia‎ to Category:Electric power transmission system operators in Europe and Category:Power companies of Latvia
 * Propose merging Category:Electric power transmission system operators in Lithuania‎ to Category:Electric power transmission system operators in Europe and Category:Power companies of Lithuania
 * Propose merging Category:Electric power transmission system operators in Montenegro‎ to Category:Electric power transmission system operators in Europe and Category:Power companies of Montenegro
 * Propose merging Category:Electric power transmission system operators the Netherlands‎ to Category:Electric power transmission system operators in Europe and Category:Power companies of the Netherlands
 * Propose merging Category:Electric power transmission system operators in New Zealand‎ to Category:Electric power transmission system operators in Oceania and Category:Power companies of New Zealand
 * Propose merging Category:Electric power transmission system operators in Norway‎ to Category:Electric power transmission system operators in Europe and Category:Power companies of Norway
 * Propose merging Category:Electric power transmission system operators in the Philippines‎ to Category:Electric power transmission system operators in Asia and Category:Power companies of the Philippines
 * Propose merging Category:Electric power transmission system operators in Poland‎ to Category:Electric power transmission system operators in Europe and Category:Power companies of Poland
 * Propose merging Category:Electric power transmission system operators in Portugal‎ to Category:Electric power transmission system operators in Europe and Category:Power companies of Portugal
 * Propose merging Category:Electric power transmission system operators in Romania‎ to Category:Electric power transmission system operators in Europe and Category:Power companies of Romania
 * Propose merging Category:Electric power transmission system operators in Russia‎ to Category:Electric power transmission system operators in Europe, Category:Electric power transmission system operators in Asia and Category:Power companies of Russia
 * Propose merging Category:Electric power transmission system operators in Serbia‎ to Category:Electric power transmission system operators in Europe and Category:Power companies of Serbia
 * Propose merging Category:Electric power transmission system operators in Slovenia‎ to Category:Electric power transmission system operators in Europe and Category:Power companies of Slovenia
 * Propose merging Category:Electric power transmission system operators in Spain‎ to Category:Electric power transmission system operators in Europe and Category:Power companies of Spain
 * Propose merging Category:Electric power transmission system operators in Sweden‎ to Category:Electric power transmission system operators in Europe and Category:Power companies of Sweden
 * Propose merging Category:Electric power transmission system operators in Switzerland‎ to Category:Electric power transmission system operators in Europe and Category:Power companies of Switzerland
 * Propose merging Category:Electric power transmission system operators in the United Kingdom‎ to Category:Electric power transmission system operators in Europe and Category:Power companies of the United Kingdom


 * Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT. Most countries only have one power transmission system operator, so having this scheme fully elaborated to all countries results in many one-article categories and is merely a hindrance to navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:27, 3 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Oppose. This is a part of a large overall sub-categorization scheme and therefore WP:SMALLCAT does not apply here. Beagel (talk) 08:21, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
 * That's exactly the point of the nomination: this topic is not suitable for having a large overall sub-categorization scheme. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:32, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
 * This is just an opinion, not a fact. At the moment there are 36 categories in the sub-categorization scheme. This is a proof that the sub-categorization scheme exists. Not all of these 36 categories are listed here which is a proof that the WP:SMALLCAT argument is used without following the logic of the sub-categorization scheme. Beagel (talk) 16:04, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
 * The logic is that one shouldn't nominate a single category from an overall scheme. In this case the whole scheme is nominated, that's different. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:11, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
 * As not all categories of the scheme are nominated, it is incorrect to say that the whole scheme is nominated. There are enough remaining categories to be considered as the scheme. Beagel (talk) 08:47, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Of course I left out the US and a few other countries that don't qualify for SMALLCAT. The discussion however is whether or not this should be an overall scheme. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:25, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
 * If you let these categories out, that means that you did not nominated the scheme but used only WP:SMALLCAT argument. Remaining categories are enough to be considered as a scheme and if the scheme exists, it should be expanded to all countries which have relevant articles. Beagel (talk) 05:33, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm not aware of a guideline that prohibits a scheme with a diffusion of only those few countries that have sufficient content. For example Category:Statistical_organizations diffuses organizations of only three countries and that's perfectly alright. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:33, 8 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Oppose: These categories are an useful way to organize Category:Electric power transmission system operators by country and make it more useful for navigation, even if some categories contain a single entry. Mario Castelán Castro (talk) 16:28, 3 September 2016 (UTC).
 * Support -- Cstegories that never can have more than one article are a waste of space. Most countries do not have multiple (rival) transmission operators.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:42, 4 September 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Roman Catholic Church in Cambridge

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Good Ol’factory (talk) 06:58, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic Church in Cambridge to Category:Catholicism at the University of Cambridge
 * Nominator's rationale: rename and purge a little. Except for London and this category, we do not have any other "Roman Catholic Church in English city" or "Catholicism in English city" categories. The main reason that this Cambridge category is quite well-populated is because of the Catholic institutions and chaplains to the University of Cambridge. So let's be more precise about that. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:11, 3 September 2016 (UTC) Marcocapelle (talk) 06:11, 3 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep – there seem to be 2 churches and a school (at least) which are not connected with the University. Besides there aren't any other 'Catholicism at' categories. Oculi (talk) 11:35, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Further, Category:Catholicism includes Eastern Orthodox, which as far as I know has not established much of a foothold in Cambridge in recent centuries. Oculi (talk) 22:36, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
 * The tree of Category:Catholicism is also used for Catholic people, buildings, organisations etc. that are not necessarily within the scope of the Catholic Church. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:30, 5 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Oppose -- This is misconceived. While some of the content is people who were Catholic chaplains and subsequently became notable, some of the content is completely unrelated to the university.  Category:Catholicism in Cambridge might fit.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:46, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
 * (as nom) I wouldn't be against this alternative. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:27, 5 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete I am not convinced what is being categorized by here is defining enough and coherent enough to group all the subjects into one category.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:19, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Agree that the coherence of the category is an issue (partly related to the university, partly to the city) so I wouldn't oppose deletion in the sense of upmerging to its parent categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:35, 18 September 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Steamboat terminology

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 06:57, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Steamboat terminology into Category:Steamboats
 * Nominator's rationale: The articles in this category (e.g. Hog chains, Snagboat) are not articles specifically about language. See also WP:OC and previous CFDs (e.g. Categories_for_discussion/Log/2014_October_19). DexDor(talk) 06:09, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose. The category is a subcategory of Category:Nautical Terminology.  The specialized nature of this terminology would be lost if it were changed to Category:Steamboats.Mtsmallwood (talk) 15:02, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Merge Per WP:OVERLAPCAT All Wikipedia articles are about "terms" (aka article names) and then we use letters to construct meaning through language to explain that term/article name. It will aid navigation better for readers to group these terms by what they mean. RevelationDirect (talk) 02:09, 4 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom and per RevelationDirect. The parent Category:Nautical terms/Category:Nautical terminology may be upmerged for the same reason. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:38, 9 September 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Steamboat articles by route

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename to . עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 05:32, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Steamboat articles by route to Category:Steamboats by route
 * Nominator's rationale: By convention we don't use the word "articles" in the names of categories for articles. Note: most of the articles in this category are articles like Steamboats of Lake Okanagan.  Other names for this category (e.g. Category:Steamboats routes) could be considered. DexDor(talk) 05:19, 3 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Support. Potentially we could name it Category:Steamboats by body of water, per WP:C2C to Category:Bodies of water, or else, more simply, Category:Steamboats by river or lake. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:24, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Support. However Category:Steamboats by body of water might be more accurate, though it is clumsy.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:47, 4 September 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional jewels

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 06:55, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Fictional jewels to Category:Fictional gemstones and jewelry
 * Nominator's rationale: Some articles are technically not jewels; inclusive categories are better. --Atvica (talk) 04:22, 3 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Support Several of the articles included are about fictional gems which are not used as jewelry. They are used as magical items. Dimadick (talk) 21:53, 17 September 2016 (UTC)


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