Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2016 September 5



Category:Rally racing terminology

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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 14:19, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Rally racing terminology into Category:Rally racing
 * Nominator's rationale: An article such as Co-driver or Zero car is not an article specifically about terminology (a subset of linguistics). In fact, none of the articles currently in the category are about terminology (the article titles may be terminology, but we categorize by topic not by title). DexDor(talk) 22:11, 5 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Support per WP:NONDEF, terminology is not a defining characteristic of these articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:21, 11 September 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Institute of the Brothers of the Christian Schools (Hong Kong)

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Option A is basically a tidier version of the proposed speedy, retaining this is a category of schools. However, one of the items in the category is a biography, so the alternative is Option B, which makes this a broader category relating to the order in Hong Kong. I prefer option A, because it causes less category clutter on the articles ... and the one article which doesn't fit is Brigant Cassian, which is already in the sub-cat Category:La Salle College. So if we go for Option A, it can simply be removed from this category. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:57, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
 * The result of the discussion was: rename option A. (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 04:21, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose either:
 * Option A: rename Category:Institute of the Brothers of the Christian Schools (Hong Kong) to Category:De La Salle Brothers schools in Hong Kong
 * or
 * Option B: rename Category:Institute of the Brothers of the Christian Schools (Hong Kong) to Category:De La Salle Brothers in Hong Kong (and remove parent categs Category:Educational organisations in Hong Kong and Category:Roman Catholic secondary schools in Hong Kong, and also add all the categ's contents to Category:Roman Catholic secondary schools in Hong Kong)
 * Nominator's rationale: I had proposed this as a speedy renaming to Category:De La Salle Brothers schools (Hong Kong), as a minimal change per the head article De La Salle Brothers, renamed per WP:RM discussion at Talk:De La Salle_Brothers. However, the speedy nom raised a number of concerns, and none of the possible solutions fits any of the speedy criteria.

However I now see that it includes one biography, of Brigant Cassian. So what to do? Rename as I propose, and remove Brigant Cassian? Or rename as you propose and remove two parents categories? -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:51, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Category:Institute of the Brothers of the Christian Schools (Hong Kong) to Category:De La Salle Brothers schools (Hong Kong) – C2D: per head article De La Salle Brothers, renamed per WP:RM discussion at Talk:De La Salle_Brothers. Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 06:45, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose as proposed This should be renamed to . (Institute of the Brothers of the Christian Schools = De La Salle Brothers) Armbrust The Homunculus 20:28, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Good catch. It is a subcat of both Category:Educational organisations in Hong Kong and Category:Roman Catholic secondary schools in Hong Kong, so I thought it was a category of schools. That is why I had included the word "schools" in lower case.
 * I don't mind removing Brigant Cassian, as that article is already in . However, now I think would be the best title. Armbrust The Homunculus 13:48, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Alternative suggestion Why not name in accordance with Category:De La Salle Brothers in the Philippines and rename to Category:De La Salle Brothers in Hong Kong? Gjs238 (talk) 23:21, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
 * that's more elegant than the parenthetical format, but it doesn't resolve the issue of whether this should be a category of schools. I await Armbrust's reply to my question above, but I think that this rename may be raising too many issues to be a legitimate speedy. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 07:03, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
 * But doesn't contain any articles about school, only biographies. Armbrust The Homunculus 13:48, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I see as a category about the congregation in the Philippines. School is one aspect of the congregation. Gjs238 (talk) 14:26, 4 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Support Option A – seems simpler. Oculi (talk) 22:58, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Rename -- preferably Option A. Following discussion as to the Irish "Christian Brothers", we need to rename all Christian Brothers categories, so as to avoid ambiguity.  Peterkingiron (talk) 13:50, 9 September 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Basketball clubs in Tunisia and elsewhere

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge/rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 07:14, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Basketball clubs in Tunisia into Category:Basketball teams in Tunisia
 * Nominator's rationale: in line with similar categories Rathfelder (talk) 16:13, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Basketball clubs in Nigeria into Category:Basketball teams in Nigeria
 * Nominator's rationale: In line with similar categories Rathfelder (talk) 16:09, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose merger Category:Basketball clubs in Egypt to Category:Basketball teams in Egypt
 * Nominator's rationale: In line with similar categories Rathfelder (talk) 16:06, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose merger Category:Basketball clubs in Algeria to Category:Basketball teams in Algeria
 * Nominator's rationale: Majority of categories use team, rather than club Rathfelder (talk) 16:05, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Basketball clubs in Angola to Category:Basketball teams in Angola
 * Nominator's rationale: Majority of categories use team, rather than club. Rathfelder (talk) 16:04, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Since all these raise the same issue, I have combined them into one nominations. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:34, 9 September 2016 (UTC)


 * No objection in principle but this should not be automatically applied to all countries, as some will operate as clubs with multiple teams. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:34, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Support for consistency, to align with categorization of other countries. However, I should note that in the articles the term club is being used. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:47, 12 September 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Basketball clubs in Sweden

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 * The result of the discussion was: Speedy delete under CSD G7. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 17:38, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting basketball clubs in sweden


 * Nominator's rationale: accident Rathfelder (talk) 16:03, 5 September 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Basketball clubs in Iceland

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 * The result of the discussion was: Speedy delete under CSD G7. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 17:36, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting basketball clubs in iceland


 * Nominator's rationale: accident Rathfelder (talk) 16:03, 5 September 2016 (UTC)


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Category:WWE Fatal 4-Way

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 04:38, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:WWE Fatal 4-Way into Category:WWE pay-per-view events
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:OC. Only held once, no room for expansion. Armbrust The Homunculus 14:47, 5 September 2016 (UTC)


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Category:People from Cold Spring, Minnesota

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 04:40, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Cold Spring, Minnesota to Category:People from Stearns County, Minnesota
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. Small one-county community with just 2 entries....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 13:00, 5 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Merge for Now With no objection to recreating later if we get up to 5 or so article. With this low of an article count, it just muddles navigation. RevelationDirect (talk) 14:17, 5 September 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Arrowverse multiverse

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 * The result of the discussion was: relisted at Categories for discussion/Log/2016 October 1. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:02, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting arrowverse multiverse


 * Nominator's rationale: There is no functional difference between this and Category:Arrowverse. 24.196.131.249 (talk) 12:44, 5 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep Yes there is. The Flash 1990 series is not part of the Arrowverse proper, but rather exists on another earth in its multiverse. The same can currently be said for Supergirl. And it is also possible that more will be revealed regarding these other worlds and how they may include other existing media. So at this time, it is fine to keep. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 16:33, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Merge to Category:Arrowverse.  My rule in this is "one franchise: one category".  If some items do not properly belong, they should be purged completely, not kept but out on a limb.  Peterkingiron (talk) 13:54, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
 * If kept, rename to Category:Arrow (TV series) spin-offs or something like that. This is a TV series category, not a universe category. Also nominate Category:Arrowverse for merger to Category:Arrow (TV series). Marcocapelle (talk) 05:59, 12 September 2016 (UTC)


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Category:American radio DJs

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. As noted, it looks like an WP:ENGVAR issue. I have created a redirect. Good Ol’factory (talk) 07:16, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:American radio DJs to Category:American radio presenters
 * Nominator's rationale: See Category:Radio presenters. Kanghuitari (talk) 04:43, 5 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Oppose per WP:UE. "Presenter", in the sense of a radio or television broadcaster, is a Britishism not normally used in North American English dialects — what the Brits call a presenter, Americans (and Canadians) call a host. Wikipedia policy is to reflect local dialect variations when necessary, even if that causes some variance in the spelling or wording of category names, rather than arbitrarily forcing countries to use terminologies or spellings that would not be recognized in their own normal speech. Further, the problem that led to the creation of this category was that American radio hosts were frequently getting misfiled as, even though that category is meant for the kind of DJ who is a recording or performing musician (in genres such as EDM, techno or hip hop), not the kind who is a voice on the radio — so this category was created (not by me) in order to reflect the distinction better. Renaming it to (with this kept as a categoryredirect to that) might be suitable, but "American radio presenters" would not be consistent with the usual usage in American English. Bearcat (talk) 21:33, 7 September 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Recipients of the Collar of the Order of the National Coat of Arms

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 04:43, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting Category:Recipients of the Collar of the Order of the National Coat of Arms
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OVERLAPCAT and WP:OCAWARD (WP:NONDEFINING)
 * The Collar of the Order of the National Coat of Arms is automatically given to the President of Estonia and to no one else. The correct category here is Category:Presidents of Estonia and--look at that--everyone single person in the nominated category is already in that one! - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:22, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: I notified Quibik as the category creator and added this discussion to WikiProject Estonia. – RevelationDirect (talk) 02:22, 5 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Background We recently deleted similar automatic awards to monarchs or heads of state here, here, here, here, here and here. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:22, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete -- Awards need to be separate from offices. Peterkingiron (talk) 13:55, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete -- a non-defining category / redundant. K.e.coffman (talk) 17:28, 11 September 2016 (UTC)


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Category:Order of the Liberator

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 07:18, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting Category:Order of the Liberator
 * Propose Deleting Category:Grand Cordons of the Order of the Liberator
 * Propose Deleting Category:Grand Officers of the Order of the Liberator
 * Propose Deleting Category:Commanders of the Order of the Liberator
 * Propose Deleting Category:Officers of the Order of the Liberator
 * Propose Reparenting Category:Recipients of the Order of the Liberator to be under Category:Orders, decorations, and medals of Venezuela to avoid orphaning the one remaining category in this tree.
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:PERFCAT and WP:OCAWARD (WP:NONDEFINING)
 * When foreign heads of state visit Venezuela, they receive one of these souvenirs from the government as part of the official welcome. I don't see how Albert I of Belgium, Queen Sofía of Spain, and American Vice Admiral Alfred Johnson are defined by a Venezuelan award. Of the 14 people in this four subcategories, zero are from Venezuela. (I don't think the remaining category is defining either but I'll nominate it later since it contains some actual Venezuelans.) To see the category clutter created by awards for visiting dignitaries, look at this mess. If we delete this category, the recipients will still be listed here. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:21, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: The notified Asalrifai as the primary category creator and I added this discussion to WikiProject Venezuela. – RevelationDirect (talk) 02:21, 5 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete -- Though this is a national award, we need to apply OCAWARD boldly. It may be legitimate to list the awards in a bio-article, but looking at Prince Henry of Prussia (1862–1929), I cannot even see what he did to merit the award.  The list is legitimate; the category is not.  Peterkingiron (talk) 14:01, 9 September 2016 (UTC)


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