Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 April 17



Category:Momus (musician)

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 04:53, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting momus (musician)


 * Nominator's rationale: The only related articles in this category are the albums, which are already subcategorized in Category:Momus albums. This is unnecessary overcategorization per WP:OCEPON. -- Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 22:05, 17 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete, currently holds two subcats and a template. – Fayenatic  L ondon 22:35, 23 April 2017 (UTC)


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Category:People from Indiana in the Iraq War

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 05:44, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting people from indiana in the iraq war


 * Nominator's rationale: This seems to be an over-categorization. There is only one article in this category, and there doesn't appear to be a similar category for any of the other 49 states. Marquardtika (talk) 21:58, 17 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Merge to Category:American military personnel of the Iraq War. However this category (with 447 articles) is large enough to be worth diffusing by state.  Peterkingiron (talk) 12:05, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Merge and relist Dustin Berg into both obvious cats. While this currently follows the by-war breakdown of other listings under Category:Military personnel from Indiana, a spot check of other U.S. states suggests only the American Civil War tends to get its own sub-cat these days. -- Kendrick7talk 13:22, 19 April 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Highways in the Mexican Federal District

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Disclosure: I am closing this despite my participation, as there is a backlog and I am closing against my own preference anyway. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:53, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting highways in the mexican federal district


 * Nominator's rationale: Redundant to Category:Highways in Greater Mexico City and empty. Raymie (t • c) 21:34, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Indifferent for now as Mexican highways is still a poorly developed subject on English Wikipedia, and its entire category structure is unorganized and unstructured compared to similar road networks in English-speaking countries. Given time, this will improve. If structured such as the Australian, UK, or US networks, Category:Highways in the Mexican Federal District would likely remain and share equal status with categories in each of the states due to jurisdiction and funding for road creation and maintenance. Category:Highways in Greater Mexico City, however, has only a subjective notion of boundaries, and would be better served as part of a broader category of "Transportation in Greater Mexico City". Fortguy (talk) 06:12, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
 * If this were to be kept, it would need to be renamed to Category:Highways in Mexico City in line with the 2016 legal name change of the entity and almost all other categories on Mexico City. (See commons:Commons:Categories for discussion/2016/02/Category:Mexico, D. F..) Raymie (t • c) 21:24, 18 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Rename to Category:Highways in Mexico City and populate by splitting contents from Category:Highways in Greater Mexico City. – Fayenatic  L ondon 22:40, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete, not enough in Mexico City content to split. Most highways are around rather than in Mexico City (i.e. they are in Greater Mexico City). Marcocapelle (talk) 07:20, 6 May 2017 (UTC)


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Young musical families

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 * The result of the discussion was: relisted at Categories_for_discussion/Log/2017_May_15. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:43, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Young family to Category:Young musical family (England)
 * Propose renaming Category:Young family musicians to Category:Young musical family (Scotland/Australia)
 * Nominator's rationale: We've got two musical families named Young. Trying to figure out the best way to distinguish and I think this is it, based on their descriptions? I'm open to any better suggestions! Shawn in Montreal (talk) 17:21, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
 * To me, the term "musical family" sounds more like a group that performs together, line The von Trapps or The Cowsills. I prefer to keep using "family musicians" and add the location disambiguators. That is, Category:Young family musicians (England) and Category:Young family musicians (Scotland/Australia). WWGB (talk) 05:52, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
 * "Young" certainly should be disambiguated somehow, since it may imply their young age. Brandmeistertalk  12:04, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
 * The latter also applies to the alternative rename proposal, so that's why I would prefer to stick to the original nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:22, 6 May 2017 (UTC)


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Category:East African actresses

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 05:48, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting east african actresses


 * Propose deleting east african musicians


 * Nominator's rationale: Region is nebulously defined, as noted in the lead of East Africa, and cat is redundant with country and continent categories. — swpb T 16:12, 17 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete  – there might be a case for Category:East African people (cf Category:West African people) as a container category but these are redundant (all are Ugandan and in the appropriate nationality cat). Oculi (talk) 19:28, 17 April 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Neo-Geo games

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 10:22, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Neo-Geo games to Category:Neo Geo games
 * Nominator's rationale: The parent article (Neo Geo) and parent cat (Category:Neo Geo) both don't feature a hyphen. ☺ ·  Salvidrim!   ·  &#9993;  15:24, 17 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Support. Sound rationale. czar  05:49, 19 April 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Dalit LGBTQIA

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus on the first, delete the others. – Fayenatic  L ondon 22:47, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting dalit lgbtqia


 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCEGRS. — swpb T 14:16, 17 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete we ought not categorize by caste, much less by caste intersected with other things. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 22:29, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep Per WP:OCEGRS, in the context of South Asia, the combination of oppressed caste and minority sexuality is a particularly significant intersection of deeply discriminated communities, that does have significant bearing on a person's life and career. Carlossuarez46 may be taking a well-intentioned stand against categorizing by caste (which I certainly would support in terms of traditionally "upper caste" communities like Brahmins et al), but this is an argument for traditionally marginalised communities/individuals whose notable achievements are despite significant structural bias (as in the case of categories related to race or gender).


 * I would welcome suggestions from the nominator swpb T for whether they feel a broader category such as Category:Dalit LGBTQIA is better kept, while the more specific categories Category:Dalit queer, Category:Dalit trans might be deleted. Anasuyas (talk) 13:28, 24 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete per above and also WP:SMALLCAT. A total of two distinct articles inside them, of which only one is directly related. Brandmeistertalk  13:17, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Re WP:SMALLCAT, Brandmeister, Dalits comprise a population of at least 250 million in South Asia and the diaspora (officially 200 million in India alone). As a traditionally oppressed but large community, as their knowledge comes online and on Wikipedia in more significant ways, WP:SMALLCAT may no longer apply. I would still strongly recommend retaining at least Category:Dalit LGBTQIA. Anasuyas (talk) 17:31, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
 * There are already Category:Dalit communities and Category:Dalit people, among others, which may suffice in my opinion. In case of more articles specifically about Dalit LGBTQIA, a separate category may be considered. Brandmeistertalk  18:11, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
 * What I meant was: given the large numerical base of Dalits already, as more notable Dalits come out as LGBTQIA and current notable LGBTQIA Dalits get articles on WP, there is specifically a need for the separate category. :-) Sorry not to be clear! Anasuyas (talk) 20:16, 29 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep Category:Dalit LGBTQIA per Anasuyas. The intersection is significant in the context of India, and although Wikipedia is just discovering these topics, in the broader context of global knowledge there's a lot more to come here. Siko (talk) 17:33, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete, it's too soon to create these categories. The three categories together only contain one biography. While deleting the three categories, the one biography may be moved to Category:LGBT people from India. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:07, 3 May 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Club drugs

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. The article is useful; the category less so. Feel free to add "see also" links to Club drug at the foot of the most relevant articles. – Fayenatic  L ondon 06:50, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting club drugs


 * Nominator's rationale: Textbook WP:SUBJECTIVECATs. Membership in such groups cannot be assigned with consistency, and demands commentary and sourcing that can only be provided in article space. — swpb T 13:52, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep: All of the drugs in the Club drugs category are named as club drugs in the article Club drug, and reliable sources confirm that GHB, Rohypnol, Poppers and MDMA are considered to be club drugs. There are even peer-reviewed scientific articles which list the key club drugs. See Gahlinger, Paul. "Club Drugs: MDMA, Gamma-Hydroxybutyrate (GHB), Rohypnol, and Ketamine". In Am Fam Physician. 2004 Jun 1;69(11):2619-2. He lists four right in article title and calls them "club drugs". Having this category enables readers to quickly find these drugs. OnBeyondZebrax • TALK 01:54, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
 * What makes a drug a club drug? That it is used in a club? That surely encompasses nearly every drug in existence, at some time or another. Sure, some sources identify the same few drugs as being typical club drugs, but that's miles from being able to say "this is a canonical set". And if it were, we'd be right back at WP:SMALLCAT. No matter which way you slice it, WP:OVERCAT doesn't leave room for this. — swpb T 15:08, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
 * What makes a drug a club drug is when multiple reliable sources confirm that experts consider it to be a club drug. Is there a requirement for the articles in a category to form a canonical set? From working on the club drug article, I have learned that clandestine drug labs are continually "tweaking" the formulation of club drugs, to get around drug laws. This means that this is not a fixed WP:SMALLCAT, because new drugs are being created. I put a note at the top of the category indicating that only drugs considered to be club drugs by reliable sources should be put in this category. I already provided a reference for MDMA, GHB, Rohypnol and ketamine. Cocaine and amphetamines, Quaaludes and poppers have also been called club drugs by reliable sources. If we limit the category to drugs that reliable sources confirm are "club drugs", this means the category would not include every or any drug ever consumed in a nightclub or dance club. OnBeyondZebrax • TALK 02:02, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
 * From WP:CATDEF: "if the category's topic is likely to spark controversy, then a list article (which can be annotated and referenced) is probably more appropriate." A category that requires as much explanation, qualification, and referencing as this one certainly qualifies. A list article, not a category, is the appropriate form for this information. — swpb T 12:50, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I do not believe that there is any controversy in calling MDMA, ketamine or cocaine club drugs. Scientific sources confirm these drugs are considered to be club drugs. I would be happy to remove any drugs from the category if you can show evidence that the drug's status as a club drug is disputed by reliable sources. There are some drugs which the literature says are not truly club drugs, like heroin. While it is rarely used and sold in clubs, sources say this is uncommon. So I do not propose including heroin (despite evidence that there is some use). I don't think the category requires much explanation, qualification and referencing. As long as each drug in the category is unambiguously labeled as a club drug by a scientific or medical source, then we can weed out Original Research ("My friend's cousin said one he got offered XYZ in a club"). OnBeyondZebrax • TALK 17:58, 26 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:NONDEF, this is at best a nice-to-know but not a defining characteristic. Some articles in Category:Club drugs don't even mention that it's a club drug at all. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:54, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
 * If drug X listed in the Club drug category doesn't seem to meet the requirements of being a club drug (reliable source calls it a club drug), then this would seem to be an argument for removing Drug X from the club drug category. But it doesn't seem to be an argument for deleting the entire Category:Club drug OnBeyondZebrax • <span style="text-shadow:4px 4px 15px #F80,-4px -4px 15px #F08;">TALK 23:19, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Removed drugs that didn't have a reliable source calling them club drugs from Category:Club drugs. <span style="text-shadow:4px 4px 15px #00F,-4px -4px 15px #49F;">OnBeyondZebrax • <span style="text-shadow:4px 4px 15px #F80,-4px -4px 15px #F08;">TALK 01:28, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
 * It leaves drugs like Cocaine and Ketamine in the category, which aren't defined as club drugs either. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:22, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
 * See Gahlinger, Paul. "Club Drugs: MDMA, Gamma-Hydroxybutyrate (GHB), Rohypnol, and Ketamine". In Am Fam Physician. 2004 Jun 1;69(11):2619-2. Gahlinger's article calls ketamine a club drug. Havere et al call cocaine a club drug "While typical "club drugs", such as MDMA (XTC), cocaine (coke) and amphetamines (speed), have been closely linked to dance music [5,11-13], significantly less attention has been given to other music preferences, such as rock music." They call cocaine a typical club drug. <span style="text-shadow:4px 4px 15px #00F,-4px -4px 15px #49F;">OnBeyondZebrax • <span style="text-shadow:4px 4px 15px #F80,-4px -4px 15px #F08;">TALK 01:48, 7 May 2017 (UTC)


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Category:User Gen-Z
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 07:24, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting user gen-z


 * Nominator's rationale: Per Categories_for_discussion/Log/2010_April_7 — swpb T 13:45, 17 April 2017 (UTC)


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Category:A Nightmare on Elm Street (film series)
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) . A redirect to just one of the remaining categories is merely going to be confusing, since the other category may be more appropriate in certain circumstances. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:34, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting a nightmare on elm street (film series)


 * Nominator's rationale: Duplicative of Category:A Nightmare on Elm Street and Category:A Nightmare on Elm Street franchise media. AldezD (talk) 13:24, 17 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Redirect per nom, A Nightmare on Elm Street (film series) redirects to A Nightmare on Elm Street (franchise). Brandmeistertalk  18:15, 29 April 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Mayors of Highland Park, New Jersey
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 * The result of the discussion was: Double upmerge to Category:People from Highland Park, New Jersey and Category:Mayors of places in New Jersey. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 05:01, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Mayors of Highland Park, New Jersey to Category:People from Highland Park, New Jersey
 * Nominator's rationale: Category with just two entries. Community is under 15,000 people and Mayors of such places are not automatically notable. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 11:58, 17 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Support but merge also to mayors of cities in New Jersey. Peterkingiron (talk) 11:41, 18 April 2017 (UTC)


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Lucas do Rio Verde
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge as WP:SOFTDELETE. – Fayenatic  L ondon 07:03, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose merge Category:Churches in Lucas do Rio Verde‎ to Category:Lucas do Rio Verde‎ and Category:Churches in Mato Grosso
 * Propose merge Category:Companies in Lucas do Rio Verde‎ to Category:Lucas do Rio Verde‎ and Category:Mato Grosso
 * Propose merge Category:Education in Lucas do Rio Verde‎ to Category:Lucas do Rio Verde‎ and Category:Education in Mato Grosso
 * Propose merge Category:Geography of Lucas do Rio Verde‎ to Category:Lucas do Rio Verde‎ and Category:Geography of Mato Grosso
 * Propose merge Category:Parks in Lucas do Rio Verde‎ to Category:Lucas do Rio Verde‎, Category:Geography of Mato Grosso and Category:Parks in Brazil
 * Propose merge Category:Transport in Lucas do Rio Verde‎ to Category:Lucas do Rio Verde‎ and Category:Transport in Mato Grosso
 * Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, it's apparently too soon to diffuse Category:Lucas do Rio Verde‎. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:55, 17 April 2017 (UTC)


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Category:County of Namur
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 * The result of the discussion was: WP:SOFTDELETE. I have cross-linked the article and the sub-cat. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:58, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting county of namur


 * Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:SMALLCAT, small medieval county with only an eponymous article and a subcategory. No need to merge, the article is well-categorized. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:40, 17 April 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Wikipedia files needing editor assistance at upload
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 * The result of the discussion was: keep but upmerge daily sub-categories, so we can stop creating new ones.   Please update your bot accordingly. – Fayenatic  L ondon 20:34, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting wikipedia files needing editor assistance at upload


 * Nominator's rationale: I'm not sure what the right venue for this is, but using daily categories is really overkill for the low volume of files that end up here nowadays. We already have Category:Uploader unsure of copyright status for files where the uploader admits he/she doesn't know the copyright status, No license needing editor assistance can just point there. – Train2104 (t • c) 00:14, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Marcocapelle (talk) 07:35, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I've emailed DumbBOT to notify user:Tizio, since that bot currently creates the daily categories. – Fayenatic  L ondon 08:16, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Instructing the bot not to create the daily categories would be straightforward. Keep me informed on how this discussion ends. Tizio 17:23, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Would you happen to know whether Template:No license needing editor assistance is the only template that populates these daily categories? – Fayenatic  L ondon 07:51, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
 * No idea, sorry. Tizio 16:59, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
 * OK, I'll take the risk on that. – Fayenatic  L ondon 20:34, 19 May 2017 (UTC)


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Category:LGBT people from Imperial Russia
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 * The result of the discussion was: WP:SOFTDELETE. The single member article Tamara de Lempicka is already in sub-categories of the alternative targets suggested by Peterkingiron. – Fayenatic  L ondon 13:25, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:LGBT people from Imperial Russia to Category:LGBT people from Russia
 * Nominator's rationale: In this particular context, this is what we in the LGBT biz call "a distinction without a difference" -- the historical distinction between "Russia" and "Imperial Russia" is not an especially substantive point of difference that Russian LGBT people would need to be separated from each other on. As witness the fact that only one person has ever actually been filed here -- this isn't so much a WP:SMALLCAT issue per se, because there are other people who could be filed here, but it still says something that only one editor ever thought only one article topic warranted this. Bearcat (talk) 03:56, 17 April 2017 (UTC)


 * But by this reasoning, why would we differentiate between Imperial Russia and the contemporary Russian Federation Russian people at all? ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:07, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I can't speak to whether that's generally warranted or not — but it's not warranted in relation to LGBTness, because it's not like there's a wild difference in how the two historical iterations of Russia treated LGBT people. It's not as though they were markedly more tolerated or accepted in the tsarist days than they are now, for starters. Bearcat (talk) 05:10, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose merging, while there may not be a difference in the treatment of LGBT people, there is a difference in reach of the two categories. Category:LGBT people from Imperial Russia may also contain Finnish people, Polish people, Ukrainian people etc. who cannot not simply be considered to be "from Russia". However, since there is currently only one article in the category, about a Polish person who is in Category:LGBT artists from Poland already, I would not oppose deleting the Imperial Russia category altogether. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:17, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment too small a category to keep. I cannot find Category:LGBT people from Soviet Union, which would cover the next period.  The one article concerns a bisexual woman from Congress Poland, who lived briefly in St Petersburg and married a Pole there, but moved to the West during the Revolution and probably did not begin her promiscuous lifestyle until later: merge to Category:LGBT people from Poland and Category:People from Congress Poland.  Peterkingiron (talk) 12:00, 18 April 2017 (UTC)


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Category:2018 television series debuts
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete American and anime categories for now, no consensus on the others.
 * Note: I have added a request at Requested_templates to revise the infobox which currently populates the anime category. – Fayenatic  L ondon 13:49, 16 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting 2018 television series debuts


 * Propose deleting 2018 american television series debuts


 * Propose deleting 2018 japanese television series debuts


 * Propose deleting 2018 anime television series


 * Nominator's rationale: WP:CRYSTAL categories for some future shows which have been announced as tentatively scheduled to premiere in 2018, but are not definitively confirmed as such yet. At any point in the next eight to nine months, something could happen to bring them up to 2017, or to push them back to 2019, 2020 or 20-Never instead -- so a television series should be categorized by year of debut only when the premiere date is definitively confirmed, not when it's just the tentative plan. In actual fact, per WP:NMEDIA with the premiere dates not confirmed the articles shouldn't even exist yet, let alone a category for them. No prejudice against recreation in November or December when the potential contents are written in stone rather than pencil. Bearcat (talk) 01:36, 17 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep all except the American one which I have no opinion on. The anime series are definitively confirmed. Please refer to Categories for discussion/Log/2016 September 9 - which you commented on so you should be familiar with it. &mdash;Xezbeth (talk) 09:18, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
 * At least in the United States, television seasons run September to August — so such a category existing in September 2018 is not unreasonable, because "written in stone" is already happening by then. "Written in stone" is not happening in April of the year before. Bearcat (talk) 10:29, 18 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment The anime category is poorly populated. It includes:
 * 1) Cardcaptor Sakura, a popular 1990s manga series, which has already received a television adaptation and is apparently going to receive a second adaptation in 2018.
 * 2) Fate/Extra, a video game from 2010, with a television adaptation being in production since 2016.
 * 3) Gurazeni, a manga series from the 2010s, which is apparently getting a television adaptation in 2018.
 * 4) Koi wa Ameagari no You ni'', a still ongoing manga series which is apparently getting a television adaptation despite a lack of much source material to work with.
 * Only four articles to work on, none specifically about a television series, and two of them are undeveloped stubs. Dimadick (talk) 08:54, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
 * At least partially delete. Delete the American category as empty, delete the manga category per Dimadick, not sure about the two others. After all the articles' most defining characteristic is their announced debut in 2018. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:14, 4 May 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Minor league baseball
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 * The result of the discussion was: keep (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 05:52, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Minor league baseball to Category:Minor League Baseball
 * Nominator's rationale: Per Minor League Baseball: this is referring to a particular system, not the general idea of a minor league of baseball. (Additionally, if this passes then the non-capitalized subcats can all be nominated for speedy renaming). ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:12, 17 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Oppose. I'd oppose this as the articles in the category do not all refer to the organization of Minor League Baseball and are also being used for independent league teams and pre-MiLB teams and personal. Spanneraol (talk) 12:28, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose, same reasons. Not all minor league teams are part of Minor League Baseball. MisfitToys (talk) 21:30, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose -- This is incorrect capityalisation. Peterkingiron (talk) 11:43, 18 April 2017 (UTC)


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Category:20th-century Japanese lawyers
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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus, so re-populate. – Fayenatic  L ondon 13:52, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting 20th-century japanese lawyers


 * Nominator's rationale: Empty at moment (had only one entry which I moved to w:Category:Japanese lawyers. Also not very useful as the concept of "lawyers" barely existed in Japan before the 20th century. Sekicho (talk) 00:59, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Why did you empty the category before nominating? ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:13, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
 * For consistency. There were already a large number of 20th-century Japanese lawyers listed in the broader category. Sekicho (talk) 01:22, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
 * which broader category, though? There is one for Japanese lawyers and one for 20th-century lawyers. Did you add it to both? ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:33, 17 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Merge to Category:Japanese lawyers (which amounts to the same thing since it was emptied out of process. We have generally not allowed a 20th/21st century split, which would seem to be the category's only potential merit.  Peterkingiron (talk) 11:47, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Populate this fits perfectly in the tree of Category:20th-century lawyers. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:59, 25 April 2017 (UTC)


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