Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 April 18



Category:History of the Federal District of Mexico

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 04:19, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting history of the federal district of mexico


 * Nominator's rationale: Redundant to Category:History of Mexico City. Raymie (t • c) 21:38, 18 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Merge to Category:History of Mexico City. In practice, all that would currently be required is to place  Category:History of Mexico City into the parent Category:History of Mexico by state. – Fayenatic  L ondon 15:25, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I've gone and done just that. As Mexico City is pretty much a state, it belongs in the state-level category trees. Raymie (t • c) 17:23, 20 April 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Macedonia

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. – Fayenatic  L ondon 09:05, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Macedonia to Category:Macedonia (region)
 * Nominator's rationale: rename to match its main article Macedonia (region) and to disambiguate from Category:Republic of Macedonia. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:39, 18 April 2017 (UTC)


 * rename per nomination; this change is reasonable based on the existing categories and articles. Of source, the subcategories of this category also must be renamed. Hmains (talk) 03:15, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
 * rename per nomination.GreyShark (dibra) 21:07, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
 * rename per nom. Rename the subcategories per propoal format also. Should Category:Blagoevgrad Province be a member? Less than 1% of its population self identifies as "Macedonian". Laurel Lodged (talk) 08:40, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Rename -- 561 people in Category:Blagoevgrad Province in 2011 hardly justifies inclusion, unless some historical justification can be provided. Peterkingiron (talk) 12:20, 22 April 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Womanist theology

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. I will add a "see also" link to the sub-cat in the main article. – Fayenatic  L ondon 09:12, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting womanist theology


 * Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:SMALLCAT, only contains an eponymous article and a subcategory. No need to merge, the article is sufficiently categorized. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:32, 18 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. SJK (talk) 21:06, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. The only article for this category can easily be added to the "sub"-category. ToThAc (talk) 15:09, 13 May 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Nintendo DS games by genre

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Thank you Czar and The1337gamer for checking the contents first. – Fayenatic  L ondon 08:00, 21 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting nintendo ds games by genre


 * Propose deleting nintendo ds adventure games


 * Propose deleting category


 * Propose deleting nintendo ds puzzle games


 * Propose deleting nintendo ds rpg games


 * Propose deleting nintendo ds simulation games


 * Propose deleting nintendo ds strategy games


 * Propose deleting game boy platform games


 * Propose deleting nes platform games


 * Propose deleting wii role-playing games


 * Propose deleting console adventure games


 * Nominator's rationale: Following the precedent of Categories for discussion/Log/2017 March 3, "X console games by genre" is an overcategorization (overlapping, narrow scopes). We currently cat by "X console" and by "X genre games", and since many games have more than one genre and are released for more than one console, the consensus at WPVG is that the naming under discussion is overkill. The games should already be in the proper parent categories, though the articles should be checked before the cat is deleted. czar  17:12, 18 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete all as per previous CfD as trivial WP:CROSSCAT between genre and platform, which is pretty much arbitrary selection. — HELL KNOWZ  ▎TALK 23:45, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete all Same reasoning as Categories for discussion/Log/2017 March 3. --The1337gamer (talk) 09:59, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete all. Category:Nintendo DS games can easily handle navigation between games. ToThAc (talk) 15:06, 13 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Admin question to : as you say, in order to delete rather than merge, the articles should be checked first to see that they will remain within the hierarchies for genre and machine. Are you volunteering for this task? – Fayenatic  L ondon 09:20, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
 * , I could, if there's no rush. I haven't used AWB in a while, unless there is a better/newer tool for the task. czar  01:09, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
 * We can use the usual CFD bot (Cydebot) to do the hard work of editing the pages (it automatically adds a link in the edit summary back to this page). What's needed is a manual review to be sure that the member pages are directly in the relevant hierarchies. I'd close this discussion and list the categories at WP:CFDWM; you could add a note there when you had reviewed the contents of one of the nominated categories, at which point I would promptly list it for automated deletion.
 * You might figure out a way to check the contents using WP:PetScan. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:12, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
 * , the manual review is done (thanks, !) so you can proceed with the automated deletion czar  16:39, 20 May 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Statistical algorithms

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. – Fayenatic  L ondon 08:34, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Statistical algorithms to Category:Stochastic algorithms
 * Nominator's rationale: I don't see any difference between both notions. If there is one, I'd be fine with an appropriate brief description (or a link to a main article where the distinction is explained) on each category page. (In the latter case, Category:Monte Carlo methods should possibly be removed from one of both categories.) Jochen Burghardt (talk) 08:19, 18 April 2017 (UTC)


 * If merged, it should be a reversed merge and I'm neutral on whether to merge at all. Stochastic algorithms is a subset of statistical algorithms, e.g. most clustering algorithms are statistical but aren't stochastic. In fact I think it would make more sense to merge Category:Stochastic algorithms and Category:Randomized algorithms. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:17, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
 * any further comments? Marcocapelle (talk) 18:41, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
 * My main intent is that the categorization should be based on mathematical theory. I'm not sure whether your reply is based on it, or if it just reflects the current categorization. If the former applies, are you able to give brief definitions for the categories that allow an editor to select the most appropriate one for an article? - Jochen Burghardt (talk) 13:39, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure I understand your question. Algorithms aren't based on theory, they are just ways of getting somewhere (where "somewhere" depends on context). The adjectives "statistical", "stochastic" and "random" are just descriptors of certain algorithms. The articles Statistics, Stochastic process and Randomness, respectively, provide background info and sources about how we may interpret these three adjectives. For this discussion it is important to note that not only inferential statistics but also descriptive statistics are part of statistics (the latter doesn't require any stochastic theory). Marcocapelle (talk) 20:07, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
 * My last reply was phrased in a somewhat sloppy way - sorry. My intent is to merge those categories that cover synonymous notions, and to give brief discriminating descriptions for the remaining categories. I suspect Category:Statistical algorithms and Category:Stochastic algorithms are technical terms, so their meanings can't be derived from "statistics" and "stochastic" (in a similar way as the meaning of e.g. rational number can't be learned by reading rationality). I think an expert is needed to clarify this issue. Although I'm a mathematician and a computer scientist, I don't have sufficient particular knowledge about this field. - Jochen Burghardt (talk) 09:16, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Neither Statistical algorithms nor Stochastic algorithms are technical terms as far as I know. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:34, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Today, I have put a notice to Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Computer_science, to ask for expert help there. - Jochen Burghardt (talk) 08:49, 7 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment One challenge here is that stochastic algorithm means at least two different things. To a statistician, or someone who uses a lot of stats, a stochastic algorithm is an algorithm used in stochastic analysis, e.g., simulating a white noise process, solving an SDE, or pseudo-random number generation. To a computer scientist, a stochastic algorithm is an algorithm that is non-deterministic. Same adjective, two very different meanings. I think it would be reasonable to split the category and
 * Put the stochastic analysis entries in a stochastic algorithm subcat under Category:Statistical algorithms
 * Put the CS entries stochastic algorithm subcat under Category:Algorithms
 * An alternative would be to leave Category:Stochastic algorithms as a mixture of the two concepts and inherit from suitable statistics and CS parent categories. --Mark viking (talk) 20:29, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
 * There is probably a misunderstanding, it's actually Category:Statistical algorithms that has been nominated rather than Category:Stochastic algorithms. Not all entries in Category:Statistical algorithms are stochastic in either of the two meanings, so it should be either a reverse merge or we should leave the categories alone (and only move some articles from one category to the other). I'm not against your suggestion but it would require separately nominating Category:Stochastic algorithms for splitting. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:08, 18 May 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Johnson family

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename as nominated since the main article is at Richard Mentor Johnson. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:38, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Johnson family to Category:Richard Mentor Johnson family
 * Nominator's rationale: To distinguish from and . -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 04:46, 18 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Support but possibly as Category:Richard M. Johnson family. Peterkingiron (talk) 12:07, 18 April 2017 (UTC)


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