Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 April 19



Category:Martha Davis albums

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 06:46, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Martha Davis albums to Category:Martha Davis (rock singer) albums
 * Nominator's rationale: While there is no article for Martha Davis, lead singer of the Motels, a redirect is currently at Martha Davis (rock singer). Due to some ambiguity in the name (and despite that there are no articles on albums by Martha Davis (singer)), one may not know which Martha Davis this is for upon first glance. -- Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 21:40, 19 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Support As creator of the category and someone who helped Star... empty it. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:43, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Support – good idea. Oculi (talk) 10:59, 20 April 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Non-Muslim Islamic scholars

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus to merge, so rename to  Category:Non-Muslim scholars of Islam.
 * Propose merging Category:Non-Muslim Islamic scholars to Category:Islamic studies scholars
 * Nominator's rationale: upmerge, we usually don't categorize by negatives, and there is no need to have that here because we already have Category:Muslim scholars of Islam so the complement is non-Muslim by default. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:45, 19 April 2017 (UTC)


 * keep as is. There is no obvious place where the reader could find the Non-Muslim Islamic scholars' if that is what interests them. Certainly not directly in Category:Islamic studies scholars and also not its other subcats]]. Does someone want to undertake the documentation and repopulation of all these categories first? Go for it. Hmains (talk) 02:10, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
 * By the way the characteristic is also not defining. Basically we just don't know the religious conviction of these people. They might even be Muslim without anyone knowing. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:45, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep -- Scholars who are not Muslim will approach the subject from a very different perspective. Peterkingiron (talk) 12:58, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Question to given the lack of consensus for deletion, what about renaming to Category:Non-Muslim scholars of Islam? As well as the sub-cats, many of its siblings use that form, and even the sub-cats of Category:Islamic studies scholars by nationality. – Fayenatic  L ondon 09:32, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
 * That's definitely an improvement over the current name. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:33, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
 * this improves clarity while still matching what are said to be the contents. Hmains (talk) 02:48, 19 May 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Order of Leopold II recipients

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename without prejudice to a possible further nomination for deletion. – Fayenatic  L ondon 09:39, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Order of Leopold II recipients to Category:Recipients of the Order of Leopold II
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename to "Recipients of the Order of Leopold II". For good or ill, that's how we name our "recipients" categories. Herostratus (talk) 19:22, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

(FWIW, I think users more likely to search on "MedalName Recipients" than "Recipients..." since that generates a huge list which doesn't fit in the result box; but this was decided long ago, and it is not sensible to have this one Order be an exception. We could rename all the others instead. =/ Herostratus (talk) 19:20, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Or add Category:Order of Leopold II recipients as a redirect, and then add redirects to all the others. A lot of work but probably more useful to anyone searching. Twiceuponatime (talk) 13:58, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment, child Category:Grand Crosses of the Order of Leopold II should be renamed likewise (if kept), I tagged this category now. I wonder if the category shouldn't be deleted per WP:OCAWARD. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:47, 6 May 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Founding member of Rivermaya

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename and populate (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 07:50, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting founding member of rivermaya


 * Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT — swpb T 19:15, 19 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Rename to Category:Rivermaya members and add the following Mike Elgar, Kakoy Legaspi, and Japs Sergio, making a total of 8. --Bluemask (talk) 15:24, 21 April 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Deaths from suicide

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 * The result of the discussion was: redirect (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 06:53, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting deaths from suicide


 * Nominator's rationale: This category strikes me as unnecessary as it isn't a cause of death but rather about who is responsible, and the idea that something other than death occurs from a suicide makes at least the naming questionable (think of "death by killing yourself" -- kind of silly). Stevie is the man!  Talk • Work 17:50, 19 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment An even better reason to delete is that we already have Category:Suicides and its descendants, so this is an apparent duplicating effort. Stevie is the man!  Talk • Work 18:02, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
 * comment how can anyone evaluate this since the category is empty? Hmains (talk) 02:13, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
 * It was being used to fill with people who committed suicide (a duplicate of what we already have), and it contained just a few entries at the point where I nominated it, e.g., Hunter S. Thompson. I would have preferred to speedy it, but there's no "Duplicates other category structure" option. Stevie is the man!  Talk • Work 02:19, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete per above, as an empty duplicate of Category:Suicides. Brandmeistertalk  16:05, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment -- It may be worth keeping it as a cat-redirect to prevent inadvertent re-creation. Peterkingiron (talk) 13:00, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
 * That's reasonable. I'll sign onto that.  Stevie is the man!  Talk • Work 18:23, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Re-direct per Peterkingiron. Kierzek (talk) 13:42, 26 April 2017 (UTC)


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Eurodance stub categories

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Dance song stubs (as this is initially set up as a sub-cat of  Category:Electronic song stubs) and Category:Electronic album stubs respectively. – Fayenatic  L ondon 06:27, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Eurodance song stubs to Category:Electronic song stubs
 * Propose merging Category:Eurodance album stubs to Category:Electronic album stubs
 * Nominator's rationale: Underpopulated stub categories that weren't created per procedures in WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals. Suggest upmerge to more general stub categories of the genre which aren't super populated either. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 16:40, 19 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Question, if Category:Dance song stubs is created per nomination below, should that be a second merge target for articles in Category:Eurodance song stubs? Marcocapelle (talk) 08:03, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment: I would suggest so. please add a voice of knowledge on Stub sorting. – Fayenatic  L ondon 22:58, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Support both merges, as I'm not sure Eurodance is a sub-genre that will reach 60+ any time soon. Just imho. Her Pegship (talk) 23:12, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Sounds good to me. -- Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 16:08, 10 May 2017 (UTC)


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Category:1990s Dance song stubs

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:1990s dance song stubs. Disclosure: I participated below, but (ii) there is a backlog here at CFD, and (ii) this doesn't seem to be controversial. – Fayenatic  L ondon 22:09, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:1990s Dance song stubs to Category:Dance song stubs
 * Nominator's rationale: It doesn't appear this stub was created following the procedures outlined at WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals, so deletion may be warranted. However, since it now exists with over 60 entries, I suggest at least a rename since there is no established scheme for dance song stubs at all. -- Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 16:15, 19 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Rename to Category:1990s dance song stubs (lowercase) and create a parent category:Dance song stubs. There is a Category:1990s song stubs which I have added as another parent. – Fayenatic  L ondon 15:20, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Support Fayenatic's rename suggestion as structurally sound. Her Pegship (talk) 23:10, 8 May 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Black African people

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete, with selective merge following multiple precedents to Category:People of African descent (see Special:WhatLinksHere/Category:Black people). – Fayenatic  L ondon 08:10, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting black african people


 * Nominator's rationale: The Category is very redundant; "Black African" people is a tautology, much like "White European" people (whose category doesn't exit btw). Plus, the content of this category doesn't justify its existence. Jamie Tubers (talk) 15:36, 19 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Support But not because it's a tautology as Jamie Tubers suggests: there are millions of non-black Africans (altho the continent has a population of 900 million). There is not a scheme for Category:People by race and continent. Effectively, categorizing someone as one of many people groups will suffice: Category: Nuer people, Category:Zulu people, etc. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:48, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete there are plentiful race by country categories, not for the good, but race by continent? Are we going to have Category:White European people or (gulp) Category:Asian Asian people to be NPOV? Carlossuarez46 (talk) 22:36, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
 * But the entire continent, even indigenously, is not all "black" - the ethnic groups of North Africa, for example. Simply because many or most are, doesn't mean everyone is. See, for example, Category:French Quebecers. If it is to be deleted, it is on Justin's argument alone. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 18:23, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment -- It is questionable whether many of the peoples of the north African littoral are "Black", though their skin is darker than that of most Europeans. White South Africans are African but not black, and this applies to other ex-colonising minorities, for example in Zimbabwe and East Aftica.  Peterkingiron (talk) 13:05, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Rename to Category:Black people because the 9 articles in the category obviously belong together under that scope. Unlike User:Koavf says, these articles can't be put anywhere lower in the tree. By the way, another reason why black Africans isn't a tautology is because there are also black Australians. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:19, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment: I'm not sure this is the norm either; I can't find any "Category:White people"...--Jamie Tubers (talk) 09:18, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't object to that one either if sufficient content available. Category:White supremacy would surely fit in it. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:27, 23 May 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Radio market navigational boxes

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 16:51, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting radio market navigational boxes


 * Nominator's rationale: An obscure cat that, by membership, is redundant to Category:Tamaulipas radio templates. I suspect more templates used to be here but were deleted in the cleanup of Mexico radio and TV templates I've been carrying out in recent months. Raymie (t • c) 07:01, 19 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Question What is the status of this nomination after Category:Tamaulipas radio templates has been deleted? Marcocapelle (talk) 08:06, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
 * It's still redundant to Category:Mexico radio navigational boxes. This cat name might be better used for a tree of different radio market boxes by country, but that's not the case here. Raymie (t • c) 08:17, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Ok thx, that's clear. Another question: shouldn't the category be upmerged to its both parent categories (rather than plainly deleted)? If not, why not? Marcocapelle (talk) 07:55, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
 * The real problem is that all the members of the cat are in Mexico and upmerging would place them one tier up in the cats (e.g. Radio navigational boxes instead of Mexico radio navigational boxes). The members of Category:Radio market templates and its subs are a different type of template, used to link templates together (such as Template:British Columbia Radio Markets. Only Template:Mexico Radio Markets exists for Mexico of this type. Raymie (t • c) 16:42, 7 May 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Muslim lexicographers

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic  L ondon 10:48, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting muslim lexicographers


 * Nominator's rationale: delete, trivial intersection between one's religion and one's scholarship. The first three articles are in Category:Arab lexicographers already, that's fine, while article Mahmud al-Kashgari should be added to Category:Lexicographers if this nomination holds. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:08, 19 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete Agreed--irrelevant to lexicography. Knowing Arabic is a different story but how you worship is not relevant to collecting words. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:50, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete lexicography has nothing to do with religion. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 22:37, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete -- Three of the articles are on lexicographers of Arabic. Mahmud al-Kashgari worked on Turkic languages.  These are each peoples, many of whom became became Muslim, but religion is not relevant.  Peterkingiron (talk) 13:08, 22 April 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Muslim scholars

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 * The result of the discussion was: purge of articles, keep as container category. I am going to list this for manual processing, as many member pages should be (but are not) categorised elsewhere within category:Scholars, by century, nationality, ethnicity and sub-field. – Fayenatic  L ondon 09:06, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose containerizing muslim scholars


 * Nominator's rationale: containerize (i.e. delete and reinstate category with just the subcategories), the articles are based on a trivial intersection between someone's religion and someone's scholarship, the category contains Muslim chemists, Muslim nuclear experts, Muslim social scientists etc. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:00, 19 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete Agreed per above comment and the previous nomination. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:50, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
 * keep just as keep the Christian scholars and other subcats of Category:Religious scholars by religion that no one is putting up for deletion. Otherwise, this looks like targeting of a particular religion. Hmains (talk) 02:17, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
 * The Christian category does not suffer from the problem described in this nomination. Besides the proposal is not to delete but to containerize, that's quite different. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:05, 20 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete I could see a containerized category about scholars of Islam, but scholars who happen to be Muslim is problematic unless someone has reliable sources that say that Muslims do scholarship differently than non-Muslims (and given that many scholars have converted one or the other direction, that those who did changed the rigors or some other substance in their scholarship). Carlossuarez46 (talk) 22:40, 20 April 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Female characters in animation

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep for now without prejudice to including it in a wider nomination (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 06:59, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose containerizing female characters in animation


 * Nominator's rationale:

delete This category seems unnecesaary; there will always be female characters in any form of fiction. Even if it has been proven that there are more male characters in fiction than females, the category doesn't really seem to be relevant, as every work will contain at least one major female character within it. KlausSmithHeissler (talk) 23:26, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose unless all of Category:Fictional females by medium is nominated for discussion. The nominated category is part of that hierarchy and should not be singled out for deletion. – Fayenatic  L ondon 08:24, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose Per above. Brandmeistertalk  19:01, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose per the reasons listed by Fayenatic london. Dimadick (talk) 06:53, 26 April 2017 (UTC)


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