Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 April 23



Macedonia and the Olympics

 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Consistency with other categories is desirable, and the Olympics do use "Republic of"; although they also used the words "Former Yugoslav", WP:NCMAC says that is not to be followed in Wikipedia. I do not think that decision forbids the use of "Republic of" here. – Fayenatic  L ondon 15:58, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming over re-direct Category:Macedonia at the Olympics to Category:Republic of Macedonia at the Olympics
 * Propose renaming Category:Olympic athletes of Macedonia to Category:Olympic athletes of the Republic of Macedonia
 * Propose renaming Category:Olympic competitors for Macedonia to Category:Olympic competitors for the Republic of Macedonia
 * Propose renaming Category:Summer Olympics competitors for Macedonia to Category:Summer Olympics competitors for the Republic of Macedonia
 * Propose renaming Category:Olympic shooters of Macedonia to Category:Olympic shooters of the Republic of Macedonia
 * Propose renaming Category:Olympic canoeists of Macedonia to Category:canoeists of the Republic of Macedonia
 * Propose renaming Category:Olympic judoka of Macedonia to Category:Olympic judoka of the Republic of Macedonia
 * Propose renaming Category:Olympic swimmers of Macedonia to Category:Olympic swimmers of the Republic of Macedonia
 * Propose renaming Category:Olympic wrestlers of Macedonia to Category:Olympic wrestlers of the Republic of Macedonia
 * Propose renaming Category:Winter Olympics competitors for Macedonia to Category:Winter Olympics competitors for the Republic of Macedonia
 * Propose renaming Category:Olympic alpine skiers of Macedonia to Category:Olympic alpine skiers of the Republic of Macedonia
 * Propose renaming Category:Olympic cross-country skiers of Macedonia to Category:Olympic cross-country skiers of the Republic of Macedonia
 * Propose renaming Category:Olympic medalists for Macedonia to Category:Olympic medalists for the Republic of Macedonia
 * Propose renaming Category:Olympic bronze medalists for Macedonia to Category:Olympic bronze medalists for the Republic of Macedonia
 * Nominator's rationale Despite the name, these categories have nothing to do with Archelaus I of Macedon or his victories in the Ancient Olympic Games. They are only concerned with the modern Olympics and the modern state of the Republic of Macedonia. The region of Macedonia now includes parts of Albania, Greece, Bulgaria and Turkey. Laurel Lodged (talk) 18:28, 23 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. By the way, only the first rename is over re-direct. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:25, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I've deleted the "over re-direct" from the others. Laurel Lodged (talk) 10:51, 24 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Subcats of Category:Sport in the Republic of Macedonia. Oculi (talk) 13:19, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Support. THough I suggest moving it to The Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 15:25, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
 * The latter doesn't make sense. For example, Category:Macedonia at the Summer Olympics by year clearly contains articles from the period 1992-2016, has nothing to do with Yugoslavia. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:23, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
 * The IOC recognized Macedonia as The Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 18:52, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
 * OK so it's not complete nonsense, but on the other hand the Macedonian Olympic Committee on their website (see http://mok.org.mk/site/mok) simply mentions Republic of Macedonia in the body text, which is the name that we're all used to. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:58, 24 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Oppose all The main article is Macedonia at the Olympics and has been that way for over six years. How do the proposed changes fit WP:NCMAC? Timrollpickering 16:25, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for this link, I wasn't aware of this and perhaps more editors in this discussion weren't. The question still is, per nominator, if these categories may wrongly be interpreted to cover the ancient kingdom of Macedonia as well. WP:NCMAC does make an exception for that kind of ambiguity. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:07, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Then the place to start is the main article, not the categories. Timrollpickering 08:49, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Is NCMAC even policy? The discussion looks more like a vote that didn't come to a resolution. How binding is it? Laurel Lodged (talk) 14:54, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
 * It came out of an ArbCom case and was determined by a panel of administrators. Timrollpickering 21:01, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
 * By three admins, none of who have been editing for the best part of six years each. Maybe WP:CCC?  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 18:00, 29 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Support - part of the tree; unless the whole tree is renamed (I don't oppose that), these categories should be renamed to match it. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 05:00, 1 May 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Australian university groups

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 19:47, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Australian university groups to Category:College and university associations and consortia in Australia‎
 * Nominator's rationale: same topic, could be merged to match the current category tree for university associations Aloneinthewild (talk) 15:13, 23 April 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Ahle Hadith scholars of Islam

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete, as WP:SOFTDELETE. Both the member pages are listed at Ahl-i Hadith. – Fayenatic  L ondon 16:12, 21 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting ahle hadith scholars of islam


 * Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:SMALLCAT and we don't even have a Category:Ale Hadith. No need to upmerge, both articles are already elsewhere in the tree of Category:Muslim scholars of Islam. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:12, 23 April 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Jurists of Islamic law

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge Category:Jurists of Islamic law to Category:Scholars of Islamic jurisprudence, matching parent Category:Islamic jurisprudence. However, given the previous CFD in Dec 2016 I do not find sufficient consensus to merge Category:Fiqh scholars here. I will start a separate nomination for that as well as the parents, Category:Fiqh and Category:Islamic jurisprudence. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:20, 21 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Jurists of Islamic law to Category:Scholars of Islamic jurisprudence
 * Nominator's rationale: merge or reverse merge, categories are not distinct enough to keep them separate. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:48, 23 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Merge one into the other and then rename the target to Category:Fuqahā'. See Faqīh, which covers the subject of scholars of Islamic jurisprudence (Fuqahā '  is the plural of Faqīh); category names should match the names of articles about related subjects.  Nyttend (talk) 03:52, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Then we might also merge with or to Category:Fiqh scholars. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:09, 28 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Merge all I would suggest that the target should have an English name, not an Arabic one, with the Arabic one being kept as a cat-redirect. This is the English WP.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:06, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I've tagged the other two categories as well. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:41, 10 May 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Quranic readings scholars

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 * The result of the discussion was: WP:SOFTDELETE. The category currently contains Mohammad Amin Sheikho who is noted for interpretation, and Ibn al-Jazari who is noted for pronunciation/recitation, Qira'at. I will re-categorise the latter in Category:Quran reciters. However, there may be scope to recreate this category with al-Jazari and similar scholars. – Fayenatic  L ondon 16:26, 21 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Quranic readings scholars to Category:Quranic exegesis scholars
 * Nominator's rationale: merge or reverse merge, the two categories aren't different enough to kept separate. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:32, 23 April 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Indian comedy science fiction films

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 08:49, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Indian comedy science fiction films to Category:Comedy science fiction films
 * Nominator's rationale: The parent category itself isn't so large, with only around 117 articles in it, so why have a sub category which has only 10 articles? Kailash29792   (talk)  05:51, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
 * This category was created separately for Indian films as these kind of films are also being made in Indian cinema, I felt that Indian cinema too deserves credit coming up with science fiction interspersed with humour. If you feel that this category lacks enough content you can merge it. Srivin (talk) 06:36, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Categories have nothing to do with what the topic does or doesn't "deserve credit" for. They have to do with WP:DEFINING characteristics of the topic, period. Bearcat (talk) 15:19, 30 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 07:53, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. We don't need a comprehensive set of national subcategories for every individual subgenre of science fiction films — itself is enough. Bearcat (talk) 15:19, 30 April 2017 (UTC)


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