Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 April 24



Category:Critics of the school system

 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was: rename, repurpose and purge. I will remove articles that are not about individuals; where these are not already in a suitable category, I will place them in Category:Alternative education. Note: I have removed some biographies, but not Zappa whose article does prominently mention his activism on this issue; I leave it to others to consider whether this was WP:defining. – Fayenatic  L ondon 17:06, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting critics of the school system


 * Nominator's rationale: What school system? There are thousands of them! This category is too vague to be meaningful. StAnselm (talk) 21:08, 24 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete. — swpb T 15:06, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete. I edit in this field, but the category as named is vague. If the individual is known as a critic of public schools in the United States (whether opposed to schools or schools as they are), they likely known as "educationists" or some other occupational term, which is a better (and more "defining") category. czar  02:42, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Rename and repurpose and purge -- Many of the people are Category:Advocates of unschooling and homeschooling and this is a prime feature of their careers. That does not apply to Frank Zappa or George Bernard Shaw, though they may have expressed opinions on the subject.  It also has a psychologist advocating "alternative education", which would fit.  My suggestion is just that: I would welcome alternative suggestions.  There does seem to be the basis of a valid category, but I would prefer to see it as what they are for, not what they are against.  Peterkingiron (talk) 10:14, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Support rename and repurpose as suggested by Peterkingiron. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:04, 6 May 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Vietnamese people of Kenyan descent

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. – Fayenatic  L ondon 17:25, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting vietnamese people of kenyan descent


 * Nominator's rationale: WP:NARROWCAT — swpb T 18:34, 24 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete Unneeded category. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:48, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose, this isn't any narrower than its sibling categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:14, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep -- An unusual intersection, but a legitimate one. Peterkingiron (talk) 10:18, 1 May 2017 (UTC)


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Category:First generation professional wrestlers

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 * The result of the discussion was: relisted at 2017 May 25. – Fayenatic  L ondon 07:28, 25 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting first generation professional wrestlers


 * Nominator's rationale: Arbitrary intersection, and unpopulated. — swpb T 18:08, 24 April 2017 (UTC)


 * It's not unpopulated anymore but this would appear to be for patriarchs of Category:Professional wrestling families. Delete per nom. Someone wants to create a list, that's a matter for elsewhere, but I can't see us further splitting Category:Professional wrestling families along the line of otherwise unrelated wrestling elders. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 20:25, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
 * EDITED On second thoughts, I think I will strike my previous comments on this. It's convenient in a way but I'm unsure.★Trekker (talk) 16:23, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Question Is this really for professional wrestlers whose families have never produced any previous professional wrestlers? I took it as referring to professional wrestlers from the first generation of the "sport" (comparable to First generation Dodge Stratus or First generation computer scientists), regardless of their relatives' occupations.  Nyttend (talk) 03:56, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes. Wrestlers are often categorized or mentioned as "X generation wrestler" because of the overwhelming number of family relations in professional wrestling. Pro wrestling is a very nepotistic and secretive business so it's ended up this way. The artform doesn't really have generations like the ones you mentioned.★Trekker (talk) 14:40, 28 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Question Why do we allow second and third generation categories but should we delete first generation wrestlers? Or should the second and third generation categories be deleted as well? Marcocapelle (talk) 08:14, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I'd say second and third make a little more sense since they have pretty specific criteria for inclusion. It makes more sense to define a person by what their parents are as opposed to what their children have done afterwards. It's kind of like with military brats, yes it may sometimes seem inconsequential but if you look a little deeper you see that it more often than not it ends up defining a wrestlers career and life in some way.★Trekker (talk) 06:30, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
 * given the answers to your questions, do you wish to offer a view on what should be done? – Fayenatic  L ondon 18:43, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Handle like the other generations. If the criteria for second- and third-generations are simple, the criteria for first- are equally simple.  If Dad were a butcher, but Grandpa helped to pioneer the "sport", whether you qualify as second-generation will also explain whether you're first-generation.  I don't quite see the point of any of these categories, but I understand that there might be good reason for them.  However, deleting one and keeping the other two seems like a bad idea: delete them all or keep them all.  Nyttend (talk) 19:26, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Agree with Nyttend: if to be deleted, delete them all together. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:42, 23 May 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Ancient Spartan women poets

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 09:10, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Ancient Spartan women poets to Category:Ancient Greek women poets
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. Cleitagora and Megalostrata are, to the best of my knowledge, the only ancient Spartan poets whose names are even known.  Barring a miraculous papyrological discovery, the only way this category is going to change is if the articles are either deleted or merged.  Category:Ancient Greek women poets is not otherwise subcategorised by region, and there are no more than two poets from any given region in that category. Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 09:25, 24 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Merge -- Too narrow a category to survive. Peterkingiron (talk) 10:15, 1 May 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Norwegian diving (acrobatics) biography stubs

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge categories. – Fayenatic  L ondon 18:28, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose upmerging  Category:Norwegian diving (acrobatics) biography stubs to and


 * Nominator's rationale: While I agree that some stub subcategories for sports divers by nationality might be useful, this one is really too small for a stub category and - given that there are only around 15 articles for Norwegian divers in total, stub and non-stub - this one seems like overkill. Grutness...wha?  06:56, 24 April 2017 (UTC)


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Category:History of the Quran

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Quran, Category:History of Islam, and Category:History of books.  ℯ  xplicit  04:52, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:History of the Quran to Category:History of Islam
 * Nominator's rationale: upmerge per WP:SMALLCAT, there is only an eponymous article and a subcat. (Possibly there is room for another subcat with writers of the Quran but they are mentioned in the article anyway.) Marcocapelle (talk) 05:53, 24 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Oppose merger to only one parent, but I would not object to merging to all parents, i.e. also to Category:Quran and Category:History of books. – Fayenatic  L ondon 22:17, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
 * (as nom) Agree on the latter. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:10, 26 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Full upmerge -- obviously. Peterkingiron (talk) 10:16, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: I have added "see also" links between the member article and the sub-category, to further facilitate navigation between those members. – Fayenatic  L ondon 18:48, 23 May 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Diet of Galicia and Lodomeria

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. – Fayenatic  L ondon 18:36, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Diet of Galicia and Lodomeria to Category:Government of Galicia and Lodomeria and Category:Legislatures of Austria-Hungary
 * Nominator's rationale: upmerge per WP:SMALLCAT, only contains an eponymous article and a subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:41, 24 April 2017 (UTC)


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