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Category:Recipients of the War Merit Cross, 2nd class

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic  L ondon 08:24, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting recipients of the war merit cross, 2nd class


 * Nominator's rationale: Non-defining, 2nd-tier decoration for meritorious service. None of the subjects included are known for having received this award (see WP:CATDEF). K.e.coffman (talk) 23:35, 7 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:OCAWARD, I see no reason to deviate here from this guideline. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:51, 20 April 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Shama Joseph

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete eponymous cat, delete album cat, no consensus on the 2 song-related cats (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 11:48, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting shama joseph

And: Category:Albums produced by Shama Joseph, Category:Song recordings produced by Shama Joseph, and Category:Songs written by Shama Joseph. See also above.
 * Nominator's rationale: Eponymous category for a redlink. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:43, 7 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete all per WP:SMALLCAT, WP:NONDEF, as well as per the nominator's rational. If some editor wants to include the fact that Shama Joseph took part in this music production on the individual articles that's fine, but at the same time we don't need five categories about this topic. Inter&#38;anthro (talk) 04:28, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete eponymous cat, delete album cat, Joseph was NOT a significant part of the production. Keep the 2 song-related cats. Categories are for joining common notable characteristics of articles, and the songwriter and production is a significant common characteristic. There is no compunction in WP for there to be a relative article for a category. There would be many missing categories if there was.--Richhoncho (talk) 17:51, 8 April 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Albums written by Shama Joseph

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 05:59, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting albums written by shama joseph


 * Nominator's rationale: You don't write albums, you write songs. This is separated from the other CfD that I'm making to set a precedent. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:42, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete, per nom. This silly idea for a cat needs to knocked on the head. Fast. --Richhoncho (talk) 11:45, 8 April 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Lucas do Rio Verde geography stubs

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Mato Grosso geography stubs. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:04, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting lucas do rio verde geography stubs


 * Nominator's rationale: Created 2 months ago, yet the permanent category only has 1 article. Geo stub categories are rare for cities, and this one is not deserving yet. Dawynn (talk) 22:25, 7 April 2017 (UTC)


 * I assume this will be merged to a parent. It is clearly not needed. Peterkingiron (talk) 22:23, 9 April 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Defunct art galleries in London

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. – Fayenatic  L ondon 08:30, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Defunct art galleries in London to Category:Defunct art museums and galleries in London
 * Nominator's rationale: Duplicates part of an already existing category. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 22:14, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Convert to redirect For HotCat and to discourage recreation. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:46, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep - These are all galleries and not museums.Jllm06 (talk) 15:54, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

If the nomination included an upmerger of the parent Category:Art galleries in London, it might make some sense, but this would just mix up current and former galleries. What's the point of that? -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:29, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep. It's not a duplicate, it's a sub-category. To be precise, it is the intersection of Category:Art galleries in London and Category:Defunct art museums and galleries in London. If it was to be merged, it should be merged to both parents, not just one of them.
 * The only case for merging that I see is because art galleries and art museums are perhaps not different enough from each other to put them in separate categories. But that would then apply to the whole tree, of course. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:35, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Merge (or reverse merge): they are much the same thing. Some galleries are concerned with selling art, others merely with displaying it, and the latter might be said to be museums, but the term "art museum" is hardly used in UK.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:02, 30 April 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Site of Public Interest

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 06:11, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting site of public interest


 * Nominator's rationale: Category was created as a Portugal-specific classification, that could be misconstrued by other users as a catchall for "public interest sites". This is a specific category for architectural classification within Portugal. Category:Sites of Public Interest in Portugal was created to serve this specific purpose, and I suggest deleting this category in order to remove possible confusion in the future.ruben jc ZEORYMER  (talk) 19:37, 7 April 2017 (UTC)


 * DElete as empty and unnecessary. Peterkingiron (talk) 22:24, 9 April 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Computer science teachers

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. – Fayenatic  L ondon 08:36, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Computer science teachers to Category:Computer science educators
 * Nominator's rationale: This category was originally meant for professionals who have focused their career on providing instruction for students in computer science, ie writing introductory textbooks, performing pedagogical research, and creating tools for students. The term "teacher" is informally used to refer to people who perform any sort of teaching, which includes college professors who primarily perform research but teach on the side. This category contains a list of professors who may or may not have pedagogy as their primary research goal, and is therefore incomplete and inaccurate. The parent category is "Computer science education", which contains the page for the ACM Special Interest Group in Computer Science Education and its associated annual flagship conference, the Recurse Center, and the IEEE-sponsored teaching awards. It also contains pages for a number of academics whose primary research goal is computer science education. I'm proposing to rename this category to "Computer science educators" to remove the ambiguity of including academics and professionals who don't necessarily focus on pedagogy and better organize the "Computer science education" category. This is inline with practices in categories for similar disciplines - Category:Mathematics education contains Category:Mathematics educators. Thanks, Blueclaw (talk) 19:29, 7 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Support, in line with Category:Educators by discipline. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:14, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, rename -- "educator" is a more general term. K.e.coffman (talk) 16:30, 22 April 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Overweight fictional characters

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 06:15, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting overweight fictional characters


 * Nominator's rationale: For the same reasons Category:Fictional obese characters was deleted. It's entirely too subjective, too much POV and honestly a bit silly. CHRISSY MAD  ❯❯❯  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯  18:40, 7 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete per previous discussions (e.g. this). DexDor(talk) 19:33, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:47, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete no clear or objective criteria provided for what constitutes as "overweight", and I doubt any could be given regardless Snuggums (talk / edits) 04:11, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete - per above, not to mention that this category seems vague and possibly WP:OR. Inter&#38;anthro (talk) 04:29, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. Also note creator is now indefinitely banned from editing. --Richhoncho (talk) 23:39, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete; without height and weight, we can't generate their BMI, so we can't define overweight-or-not-overweight. Nyttend (talk) 22:34, 10 April 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Thrips stubs

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 08:30, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting thrips stubs


 * Nominator's rationale: With only about 35 articles in the perm cat, this category did not have enough to justify building a separate stub category. Propose deleting category and upmerging template to Category:Insect stubs. Dawynn (talk) 18:21, 7 April 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Felipe Delgado (record producer)
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 16:57, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting felipe delgado (record producer)


 * Nominator's rationale: This is not useful. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:07, 7 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment/Delete - would it be possible to keep this category for convenience until the files are moved to Wikipedia Commons? After the files are moved delete the category by all means. Inter&#38;anthro (talk) 04:31, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Question How long would it take to move the files? Marcocapelle (talk) 08:47, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
 * To be honest I do not know, but there several editors who specialize in it. I will ask one of them today. Inter&#38;anthro (talk) 10:51, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
 * and It shouldn't take that long. I'll see about it shortly and let you know. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 16:45, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
 * and {{ping|Inter&#38;anthro} The category is cleared out. I can't guarantee the files will survive on Commons, but I've put them over there now. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 16:56, 15 April 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Recipients of the Military Merit Order (Bavaria), 2nd class
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic  L ondon 12:21, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting recipients of the military merit order (bavaria), 2nd class


 * Nominator's rationale: Non defining, 2nd tier decoration. K.e.coffman (talk) 16:59, 7 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:OCAWARD, I see no reason to deviate here from this guideline. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:51, 20 April 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Recipients of the Military Merit Order (Bavaria), 3rd class
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic  L ondon 12:23, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting recipients of the military merit order (bavaria), 3rd class


 * Nominator's rationale: Non defining, 3rd-tier decoration. K.e.coffman (talk) 16:59, 7 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:OCAWARD, I see no reason to deviate here from this guideline. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:51, 20 April 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Mandatory Palestine geography stubs
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 * The result of the discussion was: split to Category:Israel geography stubs and Category:Palestine geography stubs, also merge to Category:Middle Eastern history stubs and delete; also delete template. – Fayenatic  L ondon 12:43, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting mandatory palestine geography stubs


 * Nominator's rationale: Propose deletion. As a general rule, in the Stub sorting world, we categorize geographic stub articles under the current recognized country structures. Mandatory Palestine was a historic geo-political setting, but is not a current one. I recommend reclassifying articles such as the ones currently tagged into historic stub categories, and deleting this category and template. Dawynn (talk) 14:32, 7 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Split into Category:Israel geography stubs and Category:Palestine geography stubs, upon relevance.GreyShark (dibra) 15:11, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
 * The topics of the articles are no longer existing so it's about history at least as much as about geography, the alternative or additional merge target is Category:Middle Eastern history stubs. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:25, 15 April 2017 (UTC)


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Category:History of the Habsburg Monarchy by country
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 * The result of the discussion was: withdrawn (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 12:10, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:History of the Habsburg Monarchy by country to Category:Habsburg Monarchy by location
 * Nominator's rationale: merge, content of this category and its single parent category aren't different enough to keep them separate. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:47, 7 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment "location" and "country" are separate things. Sub-categories of Category:Habsburg Monarchy by location should be reorganized into Category:Provinces of the Habsburg Monarchy or Category:Subdivisions of the Habsburg Monarchy. Category:History of the Habsburg Monarchy by country houses Habsburg history of modern countries.--Z oupan 23:58, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Good suggestion (done) & thus withdraw this nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:45, 14 April 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Vermont religious building and structure stubs
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 * The result of the discussion was: WP:SOFTDELETE. – Fayenatic  L ondon 09:09, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting vermont religious building and structure stubs


 * Propose deleting vermont church stubs


 * Nominator's rationale: Since the Vermont church articles have been given due attention, raising them to at least start status, there are only 6 articles still remaining in these two categories, not enough to justify keeping stub categories. Propose deleting both and double-upmerging the templates to the appropriate parents. Both templates can be added to category:Vermont building and structure stubs. vermont-religious-struct-stub can also be added to category:Northeastern United States religious building and structure stubs. vermont-church-stub can be added to category:Northeastern United States church stubs. Dawynn (talk) 09:46, 7 April 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Hart family members
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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 08:49, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Hart family members to Category:Hart wrestling family
 * Nominator's rationale: There's no need to create an additional layer here. We group Fooian family members in Fooian family categories. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 14:07, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

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 * Comment The reason I created the category was because the regular category was getting overcrowded with different forms of articles and that it would be nice if it was more of a consistent split between subjects. I won't shed a tear if it gets deleted but I think it's more convinent this way.★Trekker (talk) 14:23, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks ★Trekker. It is indeed a big family! But there has at times been pushback over the proliferation of family categories - though at least one is certainly merited here -- and I believe a well populated single category is best. We'll see. thanks, Shawn in Montreal (talk) 14:31, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Oh and I should add we have another related subcat, Category:The Hart Foundation members. If there's a clear consensus that the Hart clan and its ventures are so large that we should WP:DIFFUSE in this way, I'll withdraw. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 14:37, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I definitely think the Hart Foundation members category is worth keeping since it includes members which are not related to the family.★Trekker (talk) 14:48, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes that is a different case. I think it and its siblings should probably be added somehow to Category:Sportspeople by club or team, via some intermediary category, but this is not my area. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 14:58, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment -- I am not formally voting, as I do not know the context well enough. However categories like the subject are liable to pick up people who merely have the surname Hart, which is contrary to policy.  I therefore tend to support.  However, I work on the principle "one franchise: one category", and thus wonder whether we might merge all to Category:The Hart Foundation wrestlers.  However, if I have the wrong end of the stick, please ignore my comment.  Peterkingiron (talk) 14:11, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Many of the articles in the general Hart family category are not articles about members, some people in the family are not wrestlers and some who have been in the Hart Foundation stable/tag-team are not related to the Hart family so I don't really see this working.★Trekker (talk) 07:10, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Marcocapelle (talk) 07:10, 7 April 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Recipients of the Military Merit Cross (Prussia)
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic  L ondon 12:51, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting recipients of the military merit cross (prussia)


 * Nominator's rationale: Non-defining as none of the recipients are known for having received this decoration. Created by Special:Contributions/Folks_at_137 who appears to have created a multitude of categories on obscure awards. K.e.coffman (talk) 03:47, 7 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:OCAWARD, I see no reason to deviate here from this guideline. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:51, 20 April 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Recipients of the War Merit Cross (Brunswick)
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic  L ondon 12:51, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting recipients of the war merit cross (brunswick)


 * Nominator's rationale: Non-defining as none of the recipients are known for having received this decoration. Created by Special:Contributions/Folks_at_137 who appears to have created multitudes of categories on obscure awards. K.e.coffman (talk) 03:39, 7 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:OCAWARD, I see no reason to deviate here from this guideline. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:52, 20 April 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Recipients of the Order of Bravery, 3rd class
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic  L ondon 12:51, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting recipients of the order of bravery, 3rd class


 * Nominator's rationale: Only two members, while the award is "3rd class" and non-defining. Created by Special:Contributions/Folks_at_137 who appears to have created multitudes of categories on obscure awards. K.e.coffman (talk) 03:36, 7 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:OCAWARD, I see no reason to deviate here from this guideline. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:52, 20 April 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Gospel singers from Detroit
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 * The result of the discussion was: relisted, see here (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 08:41, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting gospel singers from detroit


 * Nominator's rationale: /Upmerge Needlessly specific intersection. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 03:24, 7 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep; with thirty entries, it's a good way of reducing the size of Singers from Detroit and American gospel singers. The scope is clear, so the category isn't fundamentally problematic, either.  Nyttend (talk) 00:43, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
 * But why not create Category:Gospel singers from Michigan? This skips a level of categorization for an intersection of genre, instrument (voice), and American city. Are you suggesting that we have Category:Punk rock guitarists from New York City as well? ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:09, 17 April 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Musicians from Appalachia by city
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Musicians from Appalachia (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 12:15, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting musicians from appalachia by city


 * Nominator's rationale: /Upmerge No need to categorize by region of the United States and then city. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 03:14, 7 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. A single "musicians from the USA by city" category is good, and if we have enough city categories that it needs to be divided, we should divide by state, not by region.  Appalachia is a particularly bad candidate for a regional division, as some culture-related definitions (e.g. File:Appalachian region of United States.png) don't do a particularly good job of matching the topographical definition.  If we had a category for "Musicians from Winchester, Virginia" (right by the northern tip of Virginia) or for "Musicians from Montpelier, Vermont", would we exclude them because they're not in the map's definition, and would we include "Musicians from Batesville, Mississippi" because it's in the westernmost county of the map?  Or would we say "of course Winchester and Montepelier are in the mountains, and the mountains are nowhere near the Mississippi River"?  Better to use just state boundaries.  Nyttend (talk) 22:36, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Question Should parent Category:Musicians from Appalachia be kept? If so, that would be the appropriate merge target. If not, what would be the alternative merge target? Marcocapelle (talk) 06:35, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I'd say just merge them with their states; put the Winchester musicians with Musicians from Virginia (or whatever the name is), the Batesville musicians in Musicians from Mississippi, etc. We have to be careful, however (no bot work, for example); Appalachian mountain music, especially here in Virginia (see Bristol sessions and Carter Family), is the original basis for country music, and there's always a chance that someone ended up here because of a cultural affiliation, not a geographic association.  Nyttend (talk) 09:08, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
 * The content of the category only consists of two subcats Category:Musicians from Pittsburgh and Category:Musicians from Knoxville, Tennessee‎ which are both in their respective state category already, so I'm pretty confused about your Virgina-related answer. The main question is (I'll rephrase it negatively): shouldn't parent Category:Musicians from Appalachia be simultaneously nominated for deletion or merging? If the parent category should be kept, it is the obvious merge target. If it isn't, it may be added to this nomination, but then more details are needed on what you're heading for, for the both categories: entirely delete, or merge to precisely which target. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:55, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I hadn't checked the contents of this category, and in my second comment, I thought you were asking about "Musicians of Appalachia" with its 69 articles and 3 large subcategories. Delete this category, and in all likelihood, just delete that category after ensuring that all the contents are in the right states; this won't be necessary with the WV musicians, of course.  Nyttend (talk) 00:40, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I think that the music of Appalachia in general can be a meaningful category rather than a totally arbitrary or capricious one, so I'm hesitant to suggest that scheme be deleted. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:12, 15 April 2017 (UTC)


 * The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.