Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 August 12



Category:Place of birth missing (living people)

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 19:10, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Place of birth missing (living people) to Category:Place of birth missing
 * Nominator's rationale: I don't see why these are distinguished. Why is it important to separate these? ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:41, 12 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Oppose. In the same manner as we distinguish those within Category:Living people from those who are not, we devote specific attention to current biographies with the three categories — Category:Year of birth missing (living people), Category:Date of birth missing (living people) and Category:Place of birth missing (living people) in order to clearly identify present-day individuals from those who belong to the ages — whether recent past or antiquity — thus enabling Wikipedians who wish to devote their time to researching such details, to have a clear distinction in their choice of focusing on the living or on the dead. There was no consensus when these three categories were initially nominated ten years ago. The arguments presented at those discussions may be consulted here. &mdash;Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 02:43, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
 * How would my research on this topic be any different if a given person died yesterday than tomorrow? ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 03:10, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
 * In the event that you or other Wikipedians may have privacy concerns as these relate to barely notable living subjects of Wikipedia articles and may wish to concentrate your area of research in that direction, the above three categories enable you to separate the living from the entire span of history previous to our lives. As those around us, whether old or young, depart, the categories defining them also change. As was pointed out in the discussion ten years ago, "Upon the death of an individual, the change from Category:Living people to Category:2007 deaths is accompanied by the replacement of Category:Date of birth missing (living people) with Category:Date of birth missing. This nominated category is a subcategory solely of Category:Date of birth missing and, despite their close relationship, is not a subcategory of Category:Living people. Prior to the existence of this Category:Date of birth missing (living people), editors grouped individuals from past centuries and even ancients from past millenia, all of whom clearly belonged in either Category:Date of birth unknown (year indicated, but month and day historically unrecorded) or, in most cases, in Category:Year of birth unknown, used with people whose data has been lost to history. The "(living people)" addition thus provides a differentiation guide for editors who are creating entries for contemporaries". &mdash;Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 05:13, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose This is for BLP articles. Dimadick (talk) 05:52, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep Prehaps this is the wrong forum. As category talkpages get few hits, maybe close this and start a RfC to see if there's a chance of it being deleted or merged.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 09:28, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
 * This is the only forum for merging or deleting categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:50, 13 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep often with living people we need to consider weather the issues of privacy and notability justify publicizing their place of birth. Once someone is dead, there is less of a privacy argument against publicizing their place of birth.John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:02, 14 August 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Year of birth missing (living people)

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure)  f  e  minist  15:55, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Year of birth missing (living people) to Category:Year of birth missing
 * Nominator's rationale: I don't see why these are distinguished. Why is it important to separate these? ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:41, 12 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Oppose The reason is that for Living people often we do not want not have the year of birth online for data privacy. So we tnd more easily to jsut remove the category instead of adding the year of birth. On the other hand the Year of birth missing for dead people could be replaced by categories like 20th-century births or 1950s births. Still not many people do it but this is the correct procedure IMO. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:48, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Living people fall under WP:BLP, so it makes sense to keep a separate tally of these articles. bd2412  T 23:52, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Magioladitis and bd2412. &mdash;Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 02:49, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose This is for BLP articles. Dimadick (talk) 05:50, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep Prehaps this is the wrong forum. As category talkpages get few hits, maybe close this and start a RfC to see if there's a chance of it being deleted or merged.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 09:28, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep Many people are senstive about their age being revealed, and some have even sued to prevent it becoming public knowledge. Once they die these issues do not come up.John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:03, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Question: while I understand the difference, I wonder whether we actually need this living people category. With living people, if they are in this category, there is not much we can do anyway, right? Marcocapelle (talk) 06:19, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep. Given that these are tracking categories not article categories, and that both this and the parent category are huge, I don't see the problem with keeping them separate. —David Eppstein (talk) 19:06, 15 August 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Songs mastered by Shadab Rayeen

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 05:48, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting songs mastered by shadab rayeen


 * Nominator's rationale: Doesn't fit with existing cat scheme of artists/producers, and doesn't seem likely to attract any more members. — swpb T 16:26, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Creator's rationale: Shadab Rayeen is a mixing and mastering engineer, mixes and masters a major junk of Bollywood music after Eric Pillai, Category will is likely to attract many users in future Anoptimistix   Let's Talk  02:01, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Marcocapelle (talk) 11:20, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete There is no scheme for Category:Song recordings by masterer and I don't think that's a defining characteristic. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:45, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete unclear that this is a defining category for the song in question.John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:05, 14 August 2017 (UTC)


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Category:History of Roman Catholicism by country‎

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename.  ℯ  xplicit  04:30, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:History of Roman Catholicism by country‎ to Category:Category:History of Catholicism by country‎
 * Propose renaming Category:History of Roman Catholicism in England to Category:History of Catholicism in England‎
 * Propose renaming Category:History of Roman Catholicism in Scotland to Category:History of Catholicism in Scotland‎
 * Propose renaming Category:History of Roman Catholicism in Greece‎ to Category:History of Catholicism in Greece‎
 * Propose renaming Category:History of Roman Catholicism in Mexico to Category:History of Catholicism in Mexico
 * Propose renaming Category:History of Roman Catholicism in the United Kingdom to Category:History of Catholicism in the United Kingdom
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:Consistency with the most entries listed in the category, as well as Category:History of the Catholic Church (See also: Catholic Church, Category:Catholic Church, Talk:Catholic Church in Armenia, etc.). Chicbyaccident (talk) 11:18, 12 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Procedural comments: I took the liberty to merge the six separate nominations. The categories still need to be tagged though. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:43, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:43, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Support most but England, Scotland and UK should not be merged as Anglo-Catholicism exists separately from Roman Catholicism, but this need not affect the naming of parents. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:26, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. I think that the Anglo-Catholic tradition is adequately handled by Category:History of the Church of England. Laurel Lodged (talk) 20:47, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Merge per the general decision that Roman Catholicism is too specific and going against the ideas of common name.John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:06, 14 August 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Roman Catholic Church in the Caribbean part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename as nominated. The suggested use of "Dutch Carribean" should be done in a batch nomination.  ℯ  xplicit  04:30, 7 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Note: this was subsequently moved to Category:Catholic Church in the Dutch Caribbean. – Fayenatic  L ondon 13:42, 4 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic Church in the Caribbean part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands to Category:Catholic Church in the Caribbean part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:Consistency with the rest of the entries listed in Category:Catholic Church by country, as well as with Catholic Church,Category:Catholic Church, Talk:Catholic Church in Armenia, etc. Chicbyaccident (talk) 11:05, 12 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:59, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Rename but to Category:Catholic Church in the Dutch West Indies, which is much more succinct and clearer. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:28, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. The Dutch West Indies is more of an historical entity whereas the category caters for the current situation. The present extent of the Caribbean part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands is much narrower than the Dutch West Indies at their historic maximum extent which included mainland South America. Laurel Lodged (talk) 20:41, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Agree with Laurel Lodged on the Caribbean issue. In fact that entire category tree may be shortened from Caribbean part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands to Dutch Caribbean per Dutch Caribbean but that's going to be for another nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:30, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Agree. Chicbyaccident (talk) 07:45, 13 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Rename to Category:Catholic Church in the Dutch Carribean. There is no reason that articles exclusively about Catholicism in areas that were then under Dutch control but no longer are should be excluded from this category. Anyway, Dutch Carribean is the shortest, most succienct way to refer to the area.John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:09, 14 August 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Roman Catholic Church in Curaçao

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge.  ℯ  xplicit  04:30, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Roman Catholic Church in Curaçao to Category:Catholic Church in Curaçao
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:Consistency with the rest of the entries listed in Category:Catholic Church by country, as well as with Catholic Church, Category:Catholic Church, Talk:Catholic Church in Armenia, etc. Chicbyaccident (talk) 11:05, 12 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:59, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Support per nom Peterkingiron (talk) 17:29, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Laurel Lodged (talk) 20:41, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Rename for consistency.John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:09, 14 August 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Roman Catholic Church in Aruba

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename.  ℯ  xplicit  04:30, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic Church in Aruba to Category:Catholic Church in Aruba
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:Consistency with the rest of the entries listed in Category:Catholic Church by country, as well as with Catholic Church, Category:Catholic Church, Talk:Catholic Church in Armenia, etc. Chicbyaccident (talk) 11:05, 12 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:59, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Laurel Lodged (talk) 20:42, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Rename for consistency.John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:10, 14 August 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Roman Catholic universities and colleges by country

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename.  ℯ  xplicit  04:30, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic universities and colleges by country to Category:Catholic universities and colleges by country
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:Consistency with the rest of the entries listed in Category:Catholic Church by country, as well as with Catholic Church, Category:Catholic Church, Talk:Catholic Church in Armenia, etc. Chicbyaccident (talk) 11:05, 12 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:59, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Support per nom Peterkingiron (talk) 17:29, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Rename for consistency.John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:10, 14 August 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Roman Catholic Church Councils by country

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename.  ℯ  xplicit  04:30, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic Church Councils by country to Category:Catholic Church Councils by country
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:Consistency with the rest of the entries listed in Category:Catholic Church by country, as well as with Catholic Church, Category:Catholic Church, Talk:Catholic Church in Armenia, etc. Chicbyaccident (talk) 11:05, 12 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:59, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Support per nom Peterkingiron (talk) 17:30, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Laurel Lodged (talk) 20:42, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Rename for consistency.John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:10, 14 August 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Roman Catholic schools by country

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename.  ℯ  xplicit  04:30, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools by country to Category:Catholic schools by country
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:Consistency with the rest of the entries listed in Category:Catholic Church by country, as well as with Catholic Church, Category:Catholic Church, Talk:Catholic Church in Armenia, etc. Chicbyaccident (talk) 11:05, 12 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:59, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Support per nom Peterkingiron (talk) 17:30, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Laurel Lodged (talk) 20:43, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Rename for consistency.John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:10, 14 August 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Roman Catholic Church sex abuse cases by country

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename.  ℯ  xplicit  04:30, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic Church sex abuse cases by country to Category:Catholic Church sex abuse cases by country
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:Consistency with the rest of the entries listed in Category:Catholic Church by country, as well as with Catholic Church, Category:Catholic Church, Talk:Catholic Church in Armenia, etc. Chicbyaccident (talk) 11:05, 12 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:59, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Support per nom Peterkingiron (talk) 17:30, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Laurel Lodged (talk) 20:43, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Rename for consistency.John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:11, 14 August 2017 (UTC)


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Years and decades in the Abbasid Caliphate

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge and delete as nominated.  ℯ  xplicit  04:30, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:762 in the Abbasid Caliphate‎ to Category:8th century in the Abbasid Caliphate‎
 * Propose merging Category:763 in the Abbasid Caliphate‎ to Category:8th century in the Abbasid Caliphate‎
 * Propose merging Category:811 in the Abbasid Caliphate‎ to Category:9th century in the Abbasid Caliphate‎


 * Propose merging Category:865 in the Abbasid Caliphate‎ to Category:9th century in the Abbasid Caliphate‎
 * Propose merging Category:866 in the Abbasid Caliphate‎ to Category:9th century in the Abbasid Caliphate‎
 * Propose merging Category:869 in the Abbasid Caliphate‎ to Category:9th century in the Abbasid Caliphate‎
 * Propose merging Category:870 in the Abbasid Caliphate‎ to Category:9th century in the Abbasid Caliphate‎
 * Propose merging Category:871 in the Abbasid Caliphate‎ to Category:9th century in the Abbasid Caliphate‎
 * Propose merging Category:876 in the Abbasid Caliphate‎ to Category:9th century in the Abbasid Caliphate‎
 * Propose merging Category:905 disestablishments in the Abbasid Caliphate‎ to Category:10th-century disestablishments in the Abbasid Caliphate‎ and Category:905 disestablishments
 * Propose merging Category:946 in the Abbasid Caliphate‎ to Category:10th century in the Abbasid Caliphate‎
 * Propose merging Category:1157 in the Abbasid Caliphate‎ to Category:12th century in the Abbasid Caliphate‎
 * Propose merging Category:1258 in the Abbasid Caliphate‎ to Category:13th century in the Abbasid Caliphate‎
 * Propose merging Category:760s in the Abbasid Caliphate‎ to Category:8th century in the Abbasid Caliphate‎
 * Propose merging Category:770s in the Abbasid Caliphate‎ to Category:8th century in the Abbasid Caliphate‎
 * Propose merging Category:780s in the Abbasid Caliphate‎ to Category:8th century in the Abbasid Caliphate‎
 * Propose merging Category:790s in the Abbasid Caliphate‎ to Category:8th century in the Abbasid Caliphate‎
 * Propose merging Category:790s disestablishments in the Abbasid Caliphate‎ to Category:8th-century disestablishments in the Abbasid Caliphate‎ and Category:790s disestablishments in Asia
 * Propose merging Category:800s in the Abbasid Caliphate‎ to Category:9th century in the Abbasid Caliphate‎
 * Propose merging Category:810s in the Abbasid Caliphate‎ to Category:9th century in the Abbasid Caliphate‎
 * Propose merging Category:830s in the Abbasid Caliphate‎ to Category:9th century in the Abbasid Caliphate‎
 * Propose merging Category:840s in the Abbasid Caliphate‎ to Category:9th century in the Abbasid Caliphate‎
 * Propose merging Category:850s in the Abbasid Caliphate‎ to Category:9th century in the Abbasid Caliphate‎
 * Propose merging Category:860s in the Abbasid Caliphate‎ to Category:9th century in the Abbasid Caliphate‎
 * Propose merging Category:870s in the Abbasid Caliphate‎ to Category:9th century in the Abbasid Caliphate‎
 * Propose merging Category:880s in the Abbasid Caliphate‎ to Category:9th century in the Abbasid Caliphate‎
 * Propose merging Category:890s in the Abbasid Caliphate‎ to Category:9th century in the Abbasid Caliphate‎


 * Propose deleting Category:Years in the Abbasid Caliphate‎
 * Propose deleting Category:Years of the 8th century in the Abbasid Caliphate‎
 * Propose deleting Category:Years of the 9th century in the Abbasid Caliphate‎


 * Propose deleting Category:Years of the 10th century in the Abbasid Caliphate‎
 * Propose deleting Category:Years of the 12th century in the Abbasid Caliphate‎
 * Propose deleting Category:Years of the 13th century in the Abbasid Caliphate‎
 * Propose deleting Category:Disestablishments in the Abbasid Caliphate by year‎
 * Propose deleting Category:Decades in the Abbasid Caliphate‎
 * Propose deleting Category:Disestablishments in the Abbasid Caliphate by decade‎
 * Propose deleting Category:905 in the Abbasid Caliphate‎
 * Propose deleting Category:900s in the Abbasid Caliphate‎
 * Propose deleting Category:900s disestablishments in the Abbasid Caliphate‎
 * Propose deleting Category:940s in the Abbasid Caliphate‎
 * Propose deleting Category:1150s in the Abbasid Caliphate‎
 * Propose deleting Category:1250s in the Abbasid Caliphate‎


 * Nominator's rationale: upmerge per WP:SMALLCAT, most of the year categories consists of only one article and even many decades categories are poorly populated. There is no need for a second merge target, all articles are already in a Year or Decade in Asia category as well (or Europe or Africa, each in one instance). Marcocapelle (talk) 08:17, 12 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Support -- I doubt the 8th century category will end off with more than a dozen articles and a few subcats: that is not too much for a category. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:34, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Support Small categories with little scope for expansion. Dimadick (talk) 05:48, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose The period is well documented and though i could potentially support upmerge to decade level, i strongly oppose to century level. We have annual and decade levels in parallel period category:Years in the Byzantine Empire and category:Years in the Rashidun Caliphate, why Abbasid Caliphate is different??GreyShark (dibra) 11:50, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
 * We don't have category:Years in the Rashidun Caliphate and category:Years in the Byzantine Empire is nominated as well. Hence Abbasid Caliphate isn't any different at all. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:13, 17 August 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Mormon Tabernacle Choir songs

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete.  ℯ  xplicit  04:30, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting mormon tabernacle choir songs


 * Nominator's rationale: we categorize songs only by the original singer, which is not the case here. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:48, 12 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete almost none of these songs were originally sung by the Mormon Tabernacle Choir. Many do not even mention the Mormon Tabernacle Choir in the articles on them. A few the Choir has sung so often and in such prominent places, that there is some level of deep cultural connection, but most it just amounts to 1 or two recordings and a few times out of literally thousands of performances, with many of these songs being sung just as often by other notable choirs, and many predating the formation of the choir itself.John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:16, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment In the case of Amazing Grace it mentions in the article that the Library of Congress has a collection of over 3,000 recordings of the song, and mentions recordings by many other people, but I see no mention in the article of the Mormon Tabernacle Choir.John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:21, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment The recordings section on "Away in a Manager" lists 11 recordsings (which I am sure is no where near the number of commercially distrubuted recordings done of this christmas carol), none of them by the Mormon Tabernacle Choir.John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:26, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment In the case of Bring a Torch, Jeanette, Isabella the first listing of a recording by the Mormon Tabernacle Choir is listing #25 of the recordsings. This for a song that was first translated to English in the 18th-century. The Mormon Tabernacle Choir was not even formed until the mid-19th century.John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:35, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment In the case of Winter Wonderland it is currently in 14 song by performer categories. I have my doubts that any are good fits. We may need to look at some of the other songs by performer categories as well.John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:50, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete. To be fair, it doesn't necessarily have to be the original singer to justify inclusion in an "Artist songs" category — but the artist does have to have some kind of defining relationship to the song beyond merely having recorded or performed it at all. (Just as an example, "Nothing Compares 2 U" is much more famously associated with Sinéad O'Connor, who actually made it a worldwide smash hit, than it is with The Family, who originally recorded it. So its definers are Sinéad and Prince, not The Family.) But that really isn't the case for most of the songs here. I'd grant them the specifically LDS hymns — to the extent that those are known outside the LDS church, it's almost entirely down to the Mormon Tabernacle Choir — but those are already catted as anyway and thus don't really need this. But they definitely don't have a defining relationship to "Winter Wonderland" or "Climb Ev'ry Mountain" or "I Saw Three Ships" or "Morning Has Broken". Bearcat (talk) 04:23, 17 August 2017 (UTC)


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