Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 August 4



Category:Courtroom dramas

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 * The result of the discussion was: split to Category:Courtroom dramas,  Category:Courtroom drama television series and Category:Courtroom drama plays, Category:Courtroom novels and Category:Courtroom films.  please go ahead. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:23, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose splitting Category:Courtroom dramas to Category:Courtroom drama television series and Category:Courtroom drama plays and Category:Courtroom novels
 * Nominator's rationale: Category which indiscriminately lumps films, television shows, novels and theatrical plays together specifically on the basis of a courtroom setting. While this may be a perfectly valid genre subcategory within the plays, television series, drama films and/or novels trees, it is not a criterion that cuts across all of those different kinds of content as a suitable basis for a single catchall category. Note that Category:Courtroom films already exists as a subcategory, so I haven't included it as a new target here, although some things filed in this category will have to be diffused into it. Bearcat (talk) 22:17, 4 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Do you mean splitting and afterwards deleting Category:Courtroom dramas? If that is the intention, it's not clear why Category:Courtroom dramas can't stay as a parent category. If that is not the intention and you want to keep Category:Courtroom dramas as a parent, then it's not clear why you nominate this at all, because it's just a case of creating extra child categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:05, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Oh, I don't know, I think it can be good practice to make such a nomination, in case a consensus emerges that the proposed sub-cats would be WP:NARROWCAT. – Fayenatic  L ondon 20:41, 12 August 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Crimes in ancient history

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename.  ℯ  xplicit  04:29, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Crimes in ancient history to Category:Crime in ancient history
 * Nominator's rationale: Following Categories_for_discussion/Log/2017_June_28, the medieval categories have been broadened from "crimes" to "crime", and it seems appropriate to rename the category for the ancient period likewise. It already contains Category:Ancient criminals, but that one's other parent Category:Criminals is in the Category:Crime hierarchy rather than Category:Crimes. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:45, 4 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Support for consistency. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:41, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Support -- It fits better. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:31, 5 August 2017 (UTC)


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Category:San Juan Jabloteh players

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename.  ℯ  xplicit  04:29, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:San Juan Jabloteh players to Category:San Juan Jabloteh F.C. players
 * Nominator's rationale: should match parent category Category:San Juan Jabloteh F.C. and article name San Juan Jabloteh F.C. Joeykai (talk) 19:51, 4 August 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Eneco Tour

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:51, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Eneco Tour to Category:BinckBank Tour
 * Nominator's rationale: rename category to match with the recently renamed main article BinckBank Tour which is the name that is on the tour's website. A speedy nomination was declined. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:14, 4 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Category:Eneco Tour to Category:BinckBank Tour – Category found in Category:Categories for speedy renaming but not listed here; no idea why it was templated. Timrollpickering 20:07, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose - this is clearly a C2D request; however, the article was moved twice, 2 months apart, with no discussion in between - and the second was a couple of weeks ago. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 18:39, 3 August 2017 (UTC)


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Category:People from Valatie, New York

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 07:07, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Valatie, New York to Category:People from Columbia County, New York
 * Nominator's rationale: Small one-county community with just two entries, one of which is a redirect and questionable. Does living one's last years in a town's nursing home make them from there? ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 15:44, 4 August 2017 (UTC)


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Category:European Heritage Label

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete.  ℯ  xplicit  04:29, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting european heritage label


 * Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:NONDEF, most of the articles don't even mention this label at all. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:46, 15 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment -- This has the feel of an AWARD category to me. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:35, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Agree, so WP:OCAWARD may also apply. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:58, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Fayenatic  L ondon 14:43, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete Per WP:OCAWARD How could this list of possible winners ever be defining?: "buildings, documents, museums, archives, monuments or events which are seen as milestones in the creation of today's Europe" RevelationDirect (talk) 01:37, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete non-defining to the things so categorized.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:36, 27 August 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Inventions by country

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus.  ℯ  xplicit  04:29, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Nominator's rationale: Clarification still needed - What are our criteria for an "invention by country"? This has festered on for years and we're no better off. These categories are still no more than a playpen for POV nationalist socks. Is a "Croatian invention" one in Croatia, by a Croatian, by a Croatian ex-pat, or by someone with Croatian ancestry a century earlier? Is sourcing required for these claims? Or is WP:V to be ignored for these? Andy Dingley (talk) 22:26, 16 July 2017 (UTC)


 * If it has been discussed before, please provide the links to the previous discussions. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:29, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
 * It hasn't been discussed before. Any attempt to do so gets squashed Categories for discussion/Log/2013 April 29. But the problem still remains - highly-charged nationalistic categories, with no rules for either meaning or sourcing. These aren't encyclopedic, they're just a space for graffiti. The nearest we've had has often been the worst cases, the socks: Europefan Filipz123 Andy Dingley (talk) 08:31, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
 * The closure of the previous discussion seems to make sense. Please propose a rename or delete. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:27, 18 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment As this is the parent category, you'd need to nominate all the sub-cats too, if you wanted them to be deleted.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 06:44, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
 * See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Technology Andy Dingley (talk) 22:34, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep -- All that is potentially wrong with this is that it needs a head note to the effect that it is about where the invention was made not the nationality (or ancestry) of the inventor. Thus an invention by an Italian who had settled in USA would be an American invention, not an Italian one.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:32, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
 * But such a statement needs more authority behind it than just one editor's footnote. The long-running sock wars won't be deflected by that. Andy Dingley (talk) 11:52, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: The CFD banner & link was on the talk page; now moved to the category page

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Fayenatic  L ondon 14:05, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment -- There are a number of category trees where the inclusion criteria is not 100% clear (e.g. "People from..." categories) so I would think we just need to use common sense. If there is a questionable inclusion it can be discussed on the relevant article's Talk page. There doesn't seem to be a proposal to delete, rename or merge here anyway! Sionk (talk) 14:14, 12 August 2017 (UTC)


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Ancient decades by country

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge.  ℯ  xplicit  04:29, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Note on implementation: this required changes to the templates EstcatCountryDecade and DisestcatCountryDecade. – Fayenatic  L ondon 07:28, 18 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:20s BC by country to Category:20s BC
 * Propose merging Category:10s BC by country to Category:10s BC
 * Propose merging Category:0s by country to Category:0s


 * Propose merging Category:10s by country to Category:10s
 * Propose merging Category:20s by country to Category:20s
 * Propose merging Category:30s by country to Category:30s
 * Propose merging Category:40s by country to Category:40s
 * Propose merging Category:50s by country to Category:50s
 * Propose merging Category:60s by country to Category:60s
 * Propose merging Category:70s by country to Category:70s
 * Propose merging Category:80s by country to Category:80s
 * Propose merging Category:90s by country to Category:90s
 * Propose merging Category:100s by country to Category:100s
 * Propose merging Category:120s by country to Category:120s
 * Propose merging Category:130s by country to Category:130s
 * Propose merging Category:150s by country to Category:150s
 * Propose merging Category:190s by country to Category:190s
 * Propose merging Category:200s by country to Category:200s
 * Propose merging Category:210s by country to Category:210s
 * Propose merging Category:260s by country to Category:260s
 * Propose merging Category:270s by country to Category:270s
 * Propose merging Category:280s by country to Category:280s
 * Propose merging Category:290s by country to Category:290s
 * Propose merging Category:300s by country to Category:300s
 * Propose merging Category:320s by country to Category:320s
 * Propose merging Category:340s by country to Category:340s
 * Propose merging Category:350s by country to Category:350s
 * Propose merging Category:360s by country to Category:360s
 * Propose merging Category:370s by country to Category:370s
 * Propose merging Category:380s by country to Category:380s
 * Propose merging Category:390s by country to Category:390s
 * Propose merging Category:400s by country to Category:400s
 * Propose merging Category:410s by country to Category:410s
 * Propose merging Category:420s by country to Category:420s
 * Propose merging Category:430s by country to Category:430s
 * Propose merging Category:440s by country to Category:440s
 * Propose merging Category:450s by country to Category:450s
 * Propose merging Category:460s by country to Category:460s
 * Propose merging Category:470s by country to Category:470s
 * Propose merging Category:480s by country to Category:480s
 * Propose merging Category:490s by country to Category:490s


 * Propose merging Category:20s BC establishments by country to Category:20s BC establishments
 * Propose merging Category:10s BC establishments by country to Category:10s BC establishments
 * Propose merging Category:0s establishments by country to Category:0s establishments


 * Propose merging Category:10s establishments by country to Category:10s establishments
 * Propose merging Category:20s establishments by country to Category:20s establishments
 * Propose merging Category:30s establishments by country to Category:30s establishments
 * Propose merging Category:40s establishments by country to Category:40s establishments
 * Propose merging Category:50s establishments by country to Category:50s establishments
 * Propose merging Category:60s establishments by country to Category:60s establishments
 * Propose merging Category:70s establishments by country to Category:70s establishments
 * Propose merging Category:80s establishments by country to Category:80s establishments
 * Propose merging Category:90s establishments by country to Category:90s establishments
 * Propose merging Category:100s establishments by country to Category:100s establishments
 * Propose merging Category:120s establishments by country to Category:120s establishments
 * Propose merging Category:130s establishments by country to Category:130s establishments
 * Propose merging Category:150s establishments by country to Category:150s establishments
 * Propose merging Category:190s establishments by country to Category:190s establishments
 * Propose merging Category:200s establishments by country to Category:200s establishments
 * Propose merging Category:270s establishments by country to Category:270s establishments
 * Propose merging Category:280s establishments by country to Category:280s establishments
 * Propose merging Category:290s establishments by country to Category:290s establishments
 * Propose merging Category:320s establishments by country to Category:320s establishments
 * Propose merging Category:340s establishments by country to Category:340s establishments
 * Propose merging Category:360s establishments by country to Category:360s establishments
 * Propose merging Category:370s establishments by country to Category:370s establishments
 * Propose merging Category:380s establishments by country to Category:380s establishments
 * Propose merging Category:390s establishments by country to Category:390s establishments
 * Propose merging Category:410s establishments by country to Category:410s establishments
 * Propose merging Category:420s establishments by country to Category:420s establishments


 * Propose merging Category:60s disestablishments by country to Category:60s disestablishments
 * Propose merging Category:70s disestablishments by country to Category:70s disestablishments
 * Propose merging Category:100s disestablishments by country to Category:100s disestablishments


 * Propose merging Category:130s disestablishments by country to Category:130s disestablishments
 * Propose merging Category:210s disestablishments by country to Category:210s disestablishments
 * Propose merging Category:260s disestablishments by country to Category:260s disestablishments
 * Propose merging Category:270s disestablishments by country to Category:270s disestablishments
 * Propose merging Category:290s disestablishments by country to Category:290s disestablishments
 * Propose merging Category:320s disestablishments by country to Category:320s disestablishments
 * Propose merging Category:340s disestablishments by country to Category:340s disestablishments
 * Propose merging Category:390s disestablishments by country to Category:390s disestablishments
 * Propose merging Category:400s disestablishments by country to Category:400s disestablishments
 * Propose merging Category:410s disestablishments by country to Category:410s disestablishments
 * Propose merging Category:450s disestablishments by country to Category:450s disestablishments
 * Propose merging Category:470s disestablishments by country to Category:470s disestablishments


 * Nominator's rationale: upmerge per WP:SMALLCAT, as a mere housekeeping nomination. After this discussion and this discussion the content of ancient decades by country has mostly been reduced to just one (Roman/Byzantine Empire) subcategory. So we no longer need a by-country layer for decades. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:16, 4 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Support -- Can we get rid of the "continent" twig as well? Peterkingiron (talk) 16:35, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes they have been nominated here. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:43, 6 August 2017 (UTC)


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