Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 August 7



Category:Transformers (film series) characters

 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was: merge/delete, in this case merge equals delete since the category is empty (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 02:28, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Transformers (film series) characters to Category:Transformers characters
 * Nominator's rationale: Overlaps pretty closely, no? Is a separate category really useful? — swpb T 20:00, 7 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete it could even be speedied as it was created by a sock of banned user . It has been emptied per WP:DENY. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 17:47, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Merge -- one franchise: one category is my rule. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:54, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Please note there is nothing to merge as the category is empty. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 18:58, 12 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete since empty. There are some characters in the film series, I believe many of the human ones, who are unique to the series. However it appears that at present they lack articles, and having watched most of the film series, I have to admit I think their lacking articles makes sense.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:30, 14 August 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Celebrity Smokers

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 02:30, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting celebrity smokers


 * Nominator's rationale: WP:NON-DEFINING, WP:TRIVIALCAT, WP:SUBJECTIVECAT. — swpb T 18:35, 7 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete along with the policies mentioned we can add WP:INDISCRIMINATE. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 17:50, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
 * delete Maybe there could be some justification for Category:Celebrities who started smoking even after the Surgeon General told them it was going to eventually kill them but even that would be a stretch. Mangoe (talk) 19:25, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete. Non-defining and trivial. For one thing, smoking is a thing people can quit doing, so lots of people would both belong and not belong here at the same time. (Schrödinger's category!) And for another, everybody filed here right now is a person who was alive in the mid-20th century when smoking was the norm, rather than the exception as it is today — we did not always know how dangerous it is, kids — so this would be an unbrowsably massive megacategory if it were added to every single person who could somehow be verified as having been a smoker at some point in their lives. Bearcat (talk) 23:17, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete. A potentially huge, non-defining category with potential for endless debates about inclusion. (Do people stay in cat if they quit?) DragonflyDC (talk) 04:42, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete -- Deciding who is a celeb wholly depends on the editor's POV. Furthermore smoking is too commonplace to merit a category.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:53, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete I think we have a fairly strong consensus that people who quit smoking belong in the category. That said, shouldn't FDR be in here, although that is the other problem. We have few if any other categories with the name "celebrity", because it is hard to define. World-wide smoking may actually be at present the habit of a majority of the world population, at least as of 25-year-ago it was on the rise in China while declining in the US. It seems assumed this is meant to just cover tabacco smokers, but that is not explicitly stated, so people who smoke other substances would seem to belong here as well. Lastly, do they have to be well known for smoking, or just be well known and smoke? Also, while people who smoked on screen in film or TV would probably clearly fit, how often does someone have had to smoked to belong here? If we had a person who it said they smoked once in their life, and never tried it again, do they belong?John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:36, 14 August 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Anti-Trump violence

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 16:20, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting anti-trump violence


 * Nominator's rationale: The scope of this category is unclear. Is it about violence against Donald Trump, or violence against his supporters? When this category was made, it also included 2017 Congressional baseball shooting, presumably because the shooter was anti-Trump, though I removed it because Trump wasn't targeted in the shooting. FallingGravity 14:45, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I had completely forgotten that category (I created it). But I do wonder if it may be more useful that it seems, after reading this article  in today's Atlantic.E.M.Gregory (talk) 22:09, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Just added Antifa (U.S.) to the category.E.M.Gregory (talk) 00:27, 8 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete lacks a clear definition. The congressional baseball shooting clearly does not belong. Many of the people targeted there have been critical of many of Trump's actions. The category is too ill defined.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:38, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete - vague category which is possibly WP:OR and WP:SYNTH. Inter&#38;anthro (talk) 11:55, 17 August 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Arab-American culture in Texas

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Arab-American culture (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 02:34, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting arab-american culture in texas


 * Nominator's rationale: Probable WP:NARROWCAT; unclear that this can be reasonably populated. — swpb T 13:19, 7 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Upmerge to Category:Arab-American culture in the United States. Especially since the publication while based in Texas has a more broad audience.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:40, 14 August 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Cultural depictions of Bette Davis

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 02:36, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting cultural depictions of bette davis


 * Nominator's rationale: Of the four things in this category, only one significantly "depicts" Bette Davis, the mini-series Feud. Vogue mentions her name, Bette Davis Eyes discusses a woman with a facial feature that resembles Davis and the comic book contains what based on the article is a cameo along with dozens of other Hollywood stars. With only one article legitimately fitting the category I do not see any need for it. Crewman Capote (talk) 05:55, 7 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. The items are listed at Bette Davis at that is sufficient for WikiP's purposes. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 19:25, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete subject covered enough in article on Davis.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:41, 14 August 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Women criminals

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. The reverse merge option hasn't been discussed as such, so this closure is without prejudice against an early fresh nomination about the correct name of the category. (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 02:43, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting women criminals


 * Nominator's rationale: Duplicate of Category:Female criminals  Green wood  tree  05:49, 7 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Merge to Category:Female criminals. Duplicate category, but articles should not be left uncategorized. Dimadick (talk) 06:31, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Reverse merge to this title.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:41, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: The category's original creator is unable to participate in this discussion due to being blocked indefinitely, but has commented on this CFD on his/her own talk page and requested that a link to it be posted here: User_talk:Ottawahitech. -- Green wood  tree  08:25, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Merge to Category:Female criminals. Ottawahitech has an idiosyncratic and unsupported belief that the term "female" is insulting to women. Before they were indef blocked, they had a habit of creating and populating duplicate or unnecessary categories. Now they seem to advancing an argument about transgender people which suggests that they mean well but may not be familiar with the issues and politics of trans identity. Merge this category and any similar categories created by Ottawahitech. World&#39;s Lamest Critic (talk) 16:26, 14 August 2017 (UTC)


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