Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 December 13



Category:CIDD singles chart number-one singles

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:32, 9 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:CIDD singles chart number-one singles to Category:Number-one singles in France
 * Nominator's rationale: Not sure categorization needs to be taken to this level. There's no article on "Centre d'information et de documentation du disque" and the fact that a song reached number one in France is sufficiently defining. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 22:33, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

Could you please not interfere with my attempt to improve the coverage of French charts on the English Wikipedia? I can promise I will add some more songs to the category. It is a step towards reliably sourcing French chart positions prior to 1984. --Moscow Connection (talk) 10:41, 14 December 2017 (UTC) By the way, French Wikipedians know about the chart. Here's an example of a discussion mentioning it I came across: fr:Discussion utilisateur:Lethiernois. --Moscow Connection (talk) 06:14, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose. There's a major confusion concerning French charts on the English Wikipedia. The category is part of my attempt to fix the confusion between different charts. There will be an article on the centre (or rather on the chart it compiled from 1968 to 1977) sooner or later, don't worry. --Moscow Connection (talk) 05:54, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Actually, it's the Category:Number-one singles in France that shouldn't exist in its current state. We should find out which chart a song charted on exactly and move it to the appropriate category. Cause I'm afraid there are websites that contain some strange lists of number-one songs without saying which charts those were. And people are using the websites on Wikipedia as sources for charts positions, and it's a real mess, believe me.
 * Best to create the article and lists first before creating a category for it. Please remember that Wikipedia is a collaborative effort and we work towards consensus. If you put it out there in mainspace, anyone is free to contribute. -- Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 23:57, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
 * "If you put it out there in mainspace, anyone is free to contribute." — That's exactly what I did. I put this category out in mainspace and I thought other people would notice and populate it with some articles. :-)
 * Merge for now until an article has been written and notability has been confirmed. There is no urgency in creating categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:24, 21 December 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Chinese air defence vehicles

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Self-propelled anti-aircraft weapons of China.  Would one of you be willing to nominate the sibling categories as well? (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 22:57, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Chinese air defence vehicles to Category:Air defence vehicles of China
 * Nominator's rationale: To match similar categories - e.g. Category:Air defence vehicles of Russia. DexDor(talk) 22:01, 13 December 2017 (UTC)


 * All of these should be renamed to Category:Self-propelled anti-aircraft weapons of X since the main article is, after all, Self-propelled anti-aircraft weapon. Mangoe (talk) 11:35, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I'd be ok with that rename of this category. However to rename other categories they should be cfd-tagged and checked for any articles about radars etc that wouldn't fit the new name. DexDor(talk) 22:21, 15 December 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Phi Beta Kappa members

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:36, 9 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting phi beta kappa members


 * Nominator's rationale: Recreation of category deleted at cfd in 2007. Oculi (talk) 19:55, 13 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep. Previous deletion IMHO is not a justification for deleting in the present. I started it again because other honor societies have categories. Phi Beta Kappa, as one of the oldest and most prestigious, deserves a category just as much as other honor societies. Postcard Cathy (talk) 20:31, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Previous deletion at cfd is a prime reason for deletion. Please point out other honor societies which have categories and I will add them to the nom (they were all deleted in 2007 - see list of deleted membership categories). Oculi (talk) 21:20, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
 * That’s ludicrous. For example, someone could have created an article on Britney Spears when she was singing around he hometown, be it the church choir, school chorus, whatever.  Fine, delete it as non notable. So, when she becomes an international superstar, are you going to delete the new article because the earlier article was deleted?  In this example, it is an issue of timing.   In other cases, such as this, it could be that the original reason to delete was erroneous. Postcard Cathy (talk) 23:38, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
 * There is no objection to Category:Phi Beta Kappa or Category:Phi Beta Kappa founders. I didn't find any other 'members' categories. Oculi (talk) 10:41, 14 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:NONDEF. If there are any similar categories, please nominate them too. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:14, 13 December 2017 (UTC) (slightly reworded Marcocapelle (talk) 17:24, 14 December 2017 (UTC))
 * Delete I read the Wikipedia on the org and looked at how the category is used. I fail to find any information which leads to me understand how anyone would identify as a member of this organization, and what they would do differently for being a member of this group. As best as I can tell this organization issues a credential which is supposed to be a mark of a person being a good student. According to the wiki article about 10% of students at schools with a chapter of this organization get invitations to join. This seems like a top 10% club. I do not see proof that typical members cite their participation in this organization as a defining life activity. Besides that, we are supposed to apply categories to wiki articles when the text of the article has information and a citation about how the person fits in the category. I cannot readily see biographies which state how membership in this group fits into anyone's life story or what the significance of this organization in someone's life is. This seems like a group with some kind of procedural membership process rather than a deeper meaning to membership. If anyone has another story to tell, then tell the story with text and citations on a wiki article and demonstrate a perspective which builds a case for this category to be "defining".  Blue Rasberry   (talk)  16:03, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Then to be consistent, delete all the other honor society categories as well as the other Phi Beta categories. Otherwise all the people listed here can be transferred to the parent category.   And there is absolutely no reason why Phi Beta Kappa should be singled out while othe honor society categories remain.Postcard Cathy (talk) 23:50, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
 * WP:OSE. Feel free to nominate the other categories for deletion yourself if you think they should be deleted. DexDor(talk) 06:32, 8 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete not a defining award to recipients.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:11, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete per NONDEF and (essay) WP:DNWAUC. DexDor(talk) 06:32, 8 January 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Space: 1999 spacecraft

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 * The result of the discussion was: dual merge (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 23:20, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Space: 1999 spacecraft to Category:Space: 1999
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT, category is too small to be necessary. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 19:11, 13 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Manual merge to multiple targets; in addition to the stated target, the List of Space: 1999 vehicles must also be placed in the parent Category:Fictional spacecraft by work, and Eagle Transporter (& perhaps the images) in Category:Fictional spacecraft. – Fayenatic  L ondon 13:57, 14 December 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Space: 1999 vehicles

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 * The result of the discussion was: single merge. Note that Moon Buggy (Space: 1999) was already in Category:Fictional automobiles. (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 23:27, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Space: 1999 vehicles to Category:Space: 1999
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT, category is too small to be necessary. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 19:10, 13 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Manual multiple merge, as Moon Buggy (Space: 1999) must also be placed in Category:Fictional vehicles. The list primarily contains spacecraft, and so is covered by the nomination above. – Fayenatic  L ondon 14:05, 14 December 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional freighters

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:38, 9 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:Fictional freighters to Category:Fictional spacecraft
 * Nominator's rationale: Simply, WP:SMALLCAT, the category has only 2 entries. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 19:01, 13 December 2017 (UTC)


 * If merged, the contents should also be merged to Category:Cargo ships. However, it was claimed in another nomination on this page that real and fictional items should not be mixed, in which case let's keep this; there must be scope to add to it. – Fayenatic  L ondon 10:52, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment: Which nomination is that? I see a few related noms here, but I didn't see that claim. There's nothing at "Cargo ships" to indicate that it's intended only for real ships (maybe there should be?). I'm leaning toward merge on this, but if the feeling is that real vs. fictional should be broken out then keep would seem appropriate. DonIago (talk) 15:09, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
 * It's under . The same nominator has now quoted WP:CATDEF - "Articles on fictional subjects should not be categorized in a manner that confuses them with real subjects." – Fayenatic  L ondon 10:53, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
 * That's a guideline, but it's one which makes sense to me. I'd thus oppose merging with "Cargo ships", but merging with other fictional cats may still be merited. DonIago (talk) 15:52, 15 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment: If this and Category:Fictional tanks are deleted, then Category:Fictional vehicles by purpose will be empty and can be speedily deleted. 108.210.217.202 (talk) 03:18, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
 * There are now 3 members. Rather than simply keep, I now suggest rename to Category:Fictional cargo ships. I have nominated Category:Freighters for speedy merging to Category:Cargo ships, as Freighter is a disambiguation page and Freighter (cargo ship) redirects to Cargo ship which begins: A cargo ship or freighter ship… – Fayenatic  L ondon 22:53, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
 * The Kobayashi Maru is best known as a test, not a freighter or cargo ship. While the ship is also called "Kobayashi Maru", per WP:NONDEF it wouldn't belong in the category...ZXCVBNM (TALK) 12:51, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
 * It's still by definition a fictional freighter. - The Bushranger One ping only 11:41, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
 * A freighter that is not notable enough for an article about it, and a tactical exercise that is. WP:NONDEF says that articles can't be added to categories unless it directly defines the subject of the article, which in this case is about the training simulation. The lede doesn't even mention it's a cargo ship, merely saying it's a civilian vessel, because that fact is unimportant and non-defining.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 14:51, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. With 2 certain articles in the category and one questionable article I would say that SMALLCAT still applies. Marcocapelle (talk) 23:39, 21 December 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional tanks

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 * The result of the discussion was: selectively merge (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 23:40, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting fictional tanks


 * Nominator's rationale: Almost all the entries in this category are robots, not tanks. The exception, The Land Ironclads, does not refer to the eponymous ironclads but rather the story about them. It fails WP:NONDEF. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 18:58, 13 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Manual merge: The contents which are about tanks, including Sancho Panzer and Fictional landship, can go up into Category:Tanks in fiction. – Fayenatic  L ondon 10:55, 14 December 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Trematodes

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 23:54, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Trematodes to Category:Trematoda
 * Nominator's rationale: The category, currently Trematodes, is much more commonly referred to as "Trematoda." HNdlROdU (talk) 13:56, 13 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Rename per the article Trematoda which appears to have been stable since 2005. Oculi (talk) 18:56, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment: user:Caftaric moved this in October, without notice or discussion. Caftaric, please explain your action. Also, please use WP:CFD processes in future; IIRC, you have seen before how much work it can create for others to follow up your actions. – Fayenatic  L ondon 10:49, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Revert  to article name, as usual. This is not a "popularly known" taxon, and the scientific name is better. Peter coxhead (talk) 14:12, 15 December 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Vodou festivals

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:44, 9 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting vodou festivals


 * Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:SMALLCAT, currently only one article. No need to merge, the article is already in Category:Vodou art and Category:Religious festivals in Benin. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:59, 13 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete no need for a one article category, and the one article is already categorized in appropriate parent categories.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:16, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose.I suggest a rename to Voodoo festivals. I've added another to this category. Savvyjack23 (talk) 23:02, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
 * so why do you oppose? The SMALLCAT rationale still applies. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:01, 4 January 2018 (UTC)


 * No opinion on deletion, but it should indeed be moved to Category:Voodoo festivals per C2C if kept. See this request for the other "Vodou" categories. --BDD (talk) 16:55, 4 January 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Macross spacecraft

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 * The result of the discussion was: triple merge (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 00:03, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Macross spacecraft to Category:Macross
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT, category is too small to be necessary. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 06:47, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
 * ZXCVBNM: Please do not propose merges to only one parent, which would remove the contents from the other hierarchies where they also belong. – Fayenatic  L ondon


 * Merge to multiple targets Category:Macross, Category:Fictional spacecraft and Category:Fictional mecha. – Fayenatic  L ondon 10:01, 14 December 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Landships

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 * The result of the discussion was: Partially merge to Category:Armoured fighting vehicles. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:49, 9 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting landships


 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT, when you split the real life articles from the fictional ones due to Wikipedia guidelines this category is very small. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 06:05, 13 December 2017 (UTC)


 * ZXCVBNM, please specify which "Wikipedia guidelines" require splitting this category. – Fayenatic  L ondon 10:43, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
 * WP:CATDEF - "Articles on fictional subjects should not be categorized in a manner that confuses them with real subjects."ZXCVBNM (TALK) 18:28, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose ; IMHO there is minimal scope for readers to be confused between the real and fictional among these 4 articles. However, without the category, there would remain sufficient linking via the key articles Landship and Fictional landship. – Fayenatic  L ondon 23:12, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Partially merge to Category:Armoured fighting vehicles. After the article Fictional landship has been deleted this category contains only two articles about real life landships and one article about a fictional landship. The two real life articles should be merged, after which the category can be deleted. The fictional article is already properly in Category:Star Wars vehicles. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:57, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't support merging Landships Committee into Landship. However, now that the list-article Fictional landship has been deleted (see Articles for deletion/Fictional landship (2nd nomination)), the category no longer strikes me as useful. I therefore withdraw my opposition to deletion, and support Marcocapelle's partial merger proposal, as the main article is currently only in the nominated category; but also partially merge to Category:Off-road vehicles. – Fayenatic  L ondon 12:17, 4 January 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Memorial Cup championship seasons

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 * The result of the discussion was: procedural close. Category no longer exists. (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 07:29, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting memorial cup championship seasons


 * Nominator's rationale: Empty category. Its former articles were not deemed notable and redirected to league season articles instead. Flibirigit (talk) 00:23, 13 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Flagged as db-c1. 165.91.12.6 (talk) 00:30, 14 December 2017 (UTC)


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