Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 February 16



Category:Action heroes

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete all. (non-admin closure) Armbrust The Homunculus 14:01, 22 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting action heroes

(added to nomination on relisting)
 * Propose deleting female action heroes
 * Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:NONDEF, 'action hero' isn't a defining characteristic of people fictional characters in this category. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:48, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Adding the sub-category
 * Delete purely subjective. Do we get a parallel category Category:Inaction heroes for couch potato? Carlossuarez46 (talk) 02:32, 27 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment People in this category? The actual content is about fictional characters in the action genre, such as Batman, He-Man, and Indiana Jones. Dimadick (talk) 18:22, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Fayenatic  L ondon 08:31, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep - Action hero is a notable topic, so per WP:LISTN it's an adequate subject for including the examples, as it's been discused as a group. Plus, contrary to the nominator's change of mind, it is a defining characteristic of these fictional characters such as Indiana Jones, Lara Croft or James Bond. Diego (talk) 23:31, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete too broad a term lacking any clear, unambiguous definition. It is neither clear what level of "action" needs to be done to qualify under that prong, nor exactly what makes the person a hero. Also it is unclear that this is grouping like things. It groups comic Super heros, with spies like James Bond, with fantasy adventure heros like Aragorn, and probably more stuff too.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:01, 20 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:OC. Even if this may be defining and obviously applicable for some fictional characters, it is debatable in many other cases, including some current members of the category. – Fayenatic  L ondon 16:26, 6 April 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Prosvita

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 * The result of the discussion was: Nomination Withdrawn.  Lenticel  ( talk ) 00:39, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting prosvita


 * Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:SMALLCAT, currently only contains the eponymous article. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:32, 16 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Oppose more articles will be added Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 11:46, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Withdraw nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:30, 18 February 2017 (UTC)


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Ruthenian expatriates

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 * The result of the discussion was: soft delete (soft, given the lack of participation). – Fayenatic  L ondon 00:01, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting Category:Ruthenian expatriates
 * Propose deleting Category:Ruthenian expatriates in the Holy Roman Empire‎
 * Nominator's rationale: delete, we don't normally diffuse an ethnicity by expatriate destination (we don't have Category:Jewish expatriates in Germany, for example) and this tree is a bad place to start such a diffusion because it merely leads to minuscule categories. We don't have to merge because the one article is adequately categorized in a Rus' princesses category already. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:26, 16 February 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Submarine power cables

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 01:10, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Submarine power cables to Category:Subsea power cables
 * Nominator's rationale: More accurate and avoids confusion. Beagel (talk) 07:17, 16 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Oppose to stay consistent with submarine power cable. &mdash; Train2104 (t • c) 03:17, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose as contrary to C2D. P p p er y 21:58, 27 February 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Industry Canada

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. – Fayenatic  L ondon 00:06, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Industry Canada to Category:Innovation, Science and Economic Development Canada
 * Nominator's rationale: The division has been renamed ViperSnake151   Talk  06:30, 16 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Support, to align with its main article. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:28, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Support, arguably a C2D speedy Le Deluge (talk) 02:39, 27 February 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional characters of the Naval Criminal Investigative Service

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 05:22, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Fictional characters of the Naval Criminal Investigative Service to Category:Fictional Naval Criminal Investigative Service personnel
 * Nominator's rationale: Better title. JDDJS (talk) 03:33, 16 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Support rename We list characters by affiliation, not just any vague connection. Dimadick (talk) 07:35, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Support rename Apokrif (talk) 10:34, 16 February 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Jewish people of World War II

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus, leaning towards keep. – Fayenatic  L ondon 16:34, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting jewish people of world war ii


 * Nominator's rationale: This is my first nomination of a category for deletion discussion so I apologize if I do it wrong. This category almost entirely consists of holocaust victims and no criteria for what this category is supposed to be used for. There is no other "religious group" in World War II category. This list can easily include any Jewish person who lived or died in World War II and I'm sure categories are not meant for that. Arguablefool (talk) 03:14, 16 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Support No clear criteria for inclusion. JDDJS (talk) 03:37, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose Jews are an ethnicity, not just a religious group. Dimadick (talk) 07:37, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment - i'm not sure about this - we do have Category:People of World War II by nationality as parent: obviously Jews are not a nationality, but an ethnicity in this regard; however we also have other ethnic groups like Category:Russian people of World War II, Category:Belarusian people of World War II‎, Category:Czech people of World War II‎, Category:Slovak people of World War II and Category:Azerbaijani people of World War II‎. If we decide to remove Category:Jewish people of World War II then we should also delete Russian, Belorussian, Czech, Slovak, Azerbaijani and all other ethnic categories.GreyShark (dibra) 12:00, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep - considering further opinions i say keep, unless the proposal also encompasses other ethnic cats (like Category:Russian people of World War II, Category:Belarusian people of World War II‎, Category:Czech people of World War II‎, Category:Slovak people of World War II and Category:Azerbaijani people of World War II‎, etc).GreyShark (dibra) 07:08, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

My initial concern was the big historical context for the history of Jews in this era was Nazism, and that the 1933-45 Nazi regime would be more a more period for grouping all this content. I can see little point in, for example, splitting the categorisation of German victims of Nazism at September 1939. However we do not seem to have such a category within Category:20th-century Jews. And in any case, there is a significant amount of content relaying specifically to Jews in WWII, such as the Jewish soldiers and the already categorised Category:Jewish resistance members. Even if that's all the content we categorise here, it's still more than enough to justify a category for people of Jewish nationality within Category:People of World War II by nationality. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 01:45, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment, it would probably be best to containerize the category such that each subcategory clearly defines the role that Jews of the subcategory had in World War II (e.g. casualties, collaborators). This comment applies similarly to the subcategories Category:People of World War II by nationality. Marcocapelle (talk) 23:09, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep. My initial reaction was to containerise or delete, but after some digging, I no think that is a good solution.
 * At least there is nothing against creating a Category:Jewish people who died in Nazi concentration camps very similarly to e.g. Category:British people who died in Nazi concentration camps. Although it will not exactly match the year 1939, we can probably parent it to the nominated category anyway. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:54, 19 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete It's undeniable that aspects of WW2 were directed against the Jewish people, so unlike garden variety ethnic/religious categories, this one is relevant. That said, it's unlikely we need such a container category (although I may be convinced otherwise), but to lump people who are/were Jewish, religiously or ethnically, who had anything to do with WW2 seems a stretch. We have lots of categories for Jewish victims of the holocaust, Jewish emigrees, Jewish resistance fighters, Schindler's list people, people who died in various camps, ghettos, etc., survivors, etc., probably some Jewish military categories as well (although those seem dubious in my view), they all seem to be well organized into various category trees - to create a parallel tree seems to sew confusion rather than aid searching. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 19:52, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Surprisingly, many of these categories do not exist yet for Jewish people. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:23, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I've created two further subcategories. Now the category is ready for containerizing, i.e. for removing the remaining articles which are about Jewish people who survived World War II because they were able to hide or emigrate. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:24, 11 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete For most military personnel in most countries, such as the US, the fact they were Jews fighting in the war is not defining. On the other hand, with the Holocaust victims and survivors categories placed her, the tag "of World War II" is often highly questionable. Some Holocaust victims were killed before the war even started.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:03, 20 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep: For good or ill, being Jewish meant something in the World War II era. p  b  p  01:06, 24 March 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional characters of the Central Intelligence Agency

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to  Category:Fictional Central Intelligence Agency personnel. – Fayenatic  L ondon 16:28, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Fictional characters of the Central Intelligence Agency to Category:Fictional members of the Central Intelligence Agency
 * Nominator's rationale: A more logical title. JDDJS (talk) 02:31, 16 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Support rename We list characters by affiliation, not just any vague connection.Dimadick (talk) 07:35, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Question. The CIA is not a club with members. Why not use the term "personnel"? -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 05:45, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Alt rename to Category:Fictional Central Intelligence Agency personnel per User:BrownHairedGirl. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:31, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
 * rename to Category:Fictional Central Intelligence Agency personnel per alt. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:33, 23 February 2017‎


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Category:Fictional MSS agents

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete as WP:SMALLCAT. I will merge the member page to Category:Fictional Chinese secret agents and Category:Fictional government agents. – Fayenatic  L ondon 23:08, 23 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting fictional mss agents


 * Nominator's rationale: Only one entry in category. JDDJS (talk) 02:05, 16 February 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional jinyiwei

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete as WP:SMALLCAT. I will upmerge the member page to parents Category:Fictional Chinese secret agents, Category:Fictional police officers & Category:Fictional nobility. – Fayenatic  L ondon 23:04, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting fictional jinyiwei


 * Nominator's rationale: Only one entry in category. JDDJS (talk) 02:04, 16 February 2017 (UTC)


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