Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 February 20



Category:Recipients of the Close Combat Clasp

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic  L ondon 16:26, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting recipients of the close combat clasp


 * Nominator's rationale: Does not meet WP:CATDEF as none of the subjects are notable for having received this decoration. K.e.coffman (talk) 23:22, 20 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete Being a member of the military of Nazi Germany seems pretty defining, getting this cursory award for being in 15+, 25+, or 50+ fights seems pretty arbitrary. RevelationDirect (talk) 03:31, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete This award is not defining to its recipients.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:24, 26 March 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Recipients of the Honour Roll Clasp of the Army

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic  L ondon 16:26, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting recipients of the honour roll clasp of the army


 * Nominator's rationale: Does not meet WP:CATDEF, being a category for an obscure decoration. K.e.coffman (talk) 11:44, 20 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Combine Nomination The outcome of this category should match the outcome above, whether I agree with that or not. RevelationDirect (talk) 03:34, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete not defining to the recipients.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:25, 26 March 2017 (UTC)


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English Football League (EFL)

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 00:42, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Football League Championship to Category:EFL Championship
 * Propose renaming Category:Football League Championship clubs to Category:EFL Championship clubs
 * Propose renaming Category:Football League Championship play-off Finals‎ to Category:EFL Championship play-off Finals‎
 * Propose renaming Category:Football League Championship players‎ to Category:EFL Championship players‎
 * Propose renaming Category:Football League Championship seasons to Category:EFL Championship seasons
 * Propose renaming Category:2016–17 Football League Championship‎ to Category:2016–17 EFL Championship
 * Propose renaming Category:2016–17 Football League Championship by team‎‎ to Category:2016–17 EFL Championship by team‎
 * Propose renaming Category:Football League Championship templates‎ to Category:EFL Championship templates‎
 * Propose renaming Category:Football League Championship PFA team of the year navigational boxes to Category:EFL Championship PFA Team of the Year navigational boxes


 * Propose renaming Category:Football League One to Category:EFL League One
 * Propose renaming Category:Football League One play-off Finals‎ to Category:EFL League One play-off Finals‎
 * Propose renaming Category:Football League One seasons to Category:EFL League One seasons
 * Propose renaming Category:2016–17 Football League One to Category:2016–17 EFL League One
 * Propose renaming Category:2016–17 Football League One by team‎‎ to Category:2016–17 EFL League One by team‎
 * Propose renaming Category:Football League One templates‎ to Category:EFL League One templates‎
 * Propose renaming Category:Football League One PFA Team of the Year templates to Category:EFL League One PFA Team of the Year navigational boxes


 * Propose renaming Category:Football League Two to Category:EFL League Two
 * Propose renaming Category:Football League Two play-off Finals‎ to Category:EFL League Two play-off Finals‎
 * Propose renaming Category:Football League Two seasons to Category:EFL League Two seasons
 * Propose renaming Category:2016–17 Football League Two to Category:2016–17 EFL League Two
 * Propose renaming Category:2016–17 Football League Two by team‎‎ to Category:2016–17 EFL League Two by team‎
 * Propose renaming Category:Football League Two templates‎ to Category:EFL League Two templates‎
 * Propose renaming Category:Football League Two PFA Team of the Year templates to Category:EFL League Two PFA Team of the Year navigational boxes


 * Propose renaming Category:Football League play-off Finals‎ to Category:English Football League play-off Finals‎


 * Propose renaming Category:Football League Trophy to Category:EFL Trophy
 * Propose renaming Category:Football League Trophy Finals to Category:EFL Trophy Finals
 * Propose renaming Category:Football League Trophy winners to Category:EFL Trophy winners
 * Nominator's rationale: The Football League was renamed the English Football League (EFL) in 2016. Bbb2007 (talk) 21:12, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

There would be zero benefit to navigation from replacing a clear, plain English title with an obscure and ambiguous acronym. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 09:00, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Strongest possible oppose. The head article remains at English Football League, and EFL is massively ambiguous: see the lengthy dab page at EFL, where the first line says EFL most commonly refers to English as a Foreign Language, see English as a Foreign or Second Language.
 * Procedural note: I checked a few of the categories, and none of them have been taagged. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 09:01, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose as contrary to C2D. P p p er y 18:33, 23 February 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Abbots by religion

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. – Fayenatic  L ondon 16:31, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Abbots by religion to Category:Abbots
 * Nominator's rationale: upmerge per WP:SMALLCAT, both this category and its parent category are very sparsely populated. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:05, 20 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Merge The only way abbots are currently sub-divided is by religion, so this is an unneeded extra layer of categorizing.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:26, 26 March 2017 (UTC)


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Category:History of Soviet Moldova

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. – Fayenatic  L ondon 16:36, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:History of Soviet Moldova to Category:Moldavian Soviet Socialist Republic
 * Propose merging Category:History of Soviet Armenia to Category:Armenian Soviet Socialist Republic
 * Propose merging Category:History of Soviet Georgia to Category:Georgian Soviet Socialist Republic
 * Propose merging Category:History of Soviet Azerbaijan to Category:Azerbaijan Soviet Socialist Republic
 * Nominator's rationale: merge, they have the same scope. They are not part of an established tree, other Soviet Socialist Republics don't have this distinction. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:02, 20 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Merge -- to align with the other republics. K.e.coffman (talk) 23:37, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Merge, per nom. Kierzek (talk) 00:55, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment - not sure, since we can have "History of foo subdivision" categories in case the "foo subdivision" category is well populated (with history, geography, demographics, etc topics). GreyShark (dibra) 07:02, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
 * In the end everything about a former country is history, but it's true that sometimes history by topic (e.g. geographic history) of a former country gets its own category. That happens mostly with long-lasting big former countries, not with former subdivions like nominated here. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:06, 23 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Merge No difference between the two.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:27, 26 March 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Military personnel referenced in the Wehrmachtbericht

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic  L ondon 23:41, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting military personnel referenced in the wehrmachtbericht


 * Nominator's rationale: Non-defining category, with the "mentioning in the Wehrmachtbericht" (Wehrmacht Report) often being cited to the collection the reports themselves. Does not meet WP:CATDEF, being an obscure and debatable award.


 * Previous discussion in 2014 closed as no consensus. Since then, several discussions on the relevance of the Wehrmachtbericht Report have taken place, for example, London Gazette vs Wehrmachtbericht, with the consensus being that the reports were unreliable propaganda. The transcripts have subsequently been removed from the articles.


 * The category itself is likewise not useful as none of the subjects are notable for having been mentioned in the report. K.e.coffman (talk) 06:24, 20 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete -- Iazyges   Consermonor   Opus meum  17:12, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete, per nom. Kierzek (talk) 22:44, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep. The category is useful in identifying how and why the the Wehrmachtbericht was used.  it is helpful to researchers in identifying the type of mentions.  The Federal Archives of Germany, represented by Erich Murawski, have published a list of all 1,500+ people referenced in the Wehrmachtbericht. We have Categories that reference Dictionary of National Biography.  We have categories that relate to sources, such as Category:Princeton University Press books ....  I don't see the point in deleting it.  Furthermore, deletion does not maintain  a neutral point of view. Finally, (for now), the Wehrmachtbericht was an important information sources during WWII for the German population, at least for the military portion.  We may not like what it said, we may not agree with what it said (today), but historically, it was said.  We also cite other sources (1911 Britannica, for example) as categories  auntieruth (talk) 15:03, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Would a list article address your concerns. RevelationDirect (talk) 03:36, 24 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete It's a case of WP:NONDEF. It was meant and is considered to be a military award of Nazi Germany, but is not important enough to create notability. It is by no means comparable to a biographical dictionary or even an academic publication. And this is not a category that relates to the Wehrmachtbericht as a source. Such a category would have to include contributors and editors. It would most likely be a subcategory of Category:Nazi propagandists and worthwhile discussing. The category under review, however, is not of that kind, and deletion has nothing to do with neutrality, but a lot with WP:OVERCAT. I don't know of a Category:People referenced in Princeton University books, because that would be a non-defining characteristic. Any researcher who intends to identify "the type of mentions" would be better advised to turn to the source itself, which has been edited and published with an index.--Assayer (talk) 18:51, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete trivial; where someone is mentioned is hardly notable except in the rarest circumstances (such as the Bible). I don't think that the German war reports merit such rarity. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 23:24, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep, per above And I would strongly object to removing mention of this source in the articles, or in removing the transcripts. auntieruth (talk) 16:38, 23 February 2017 (UTC) Duplicate !vote struck.  P p p er y 15:26, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete Non-defining, a reference her seems equivalent to WP:PERFCAT. Open to a list RevelationDirect (talk) 03:36, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
 * This would be a non-notable list as it would be sourced almost exclusively to a single, primary source. K.e.coffman (talk) 03:25, 1 March 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Uncensored Japanese pornography

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic  L ondon 23:43, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting uncensored japanese pornography


 * Nominator's rationale: The category appears to be a product of original research as the article one would expect to accompany the category (Uncensored Japanese pornography) does not exist. The topic in not covered in the article Pornography in Japan either. K.e.coffman (talk) 06:08, 20 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep: I've collected 21 actress in the category, that should be enough. Took me several hours, thank you for stressing me. --Gstree (talk) 09:16, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment: this is still a non-defining category; please see WP:CATDEF. Are these performers notable for appearing in Uncensored Japanese pornography? K.e.coffman (talk) 10:57, 20 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Speedy delete as BLP violation; delete per nom's argument above.. First of all, in virtually every case, the relevant claim is either unsourced or unreliably. Second, as the linked article points out, making such films/videos violates Japanese laws, so the category effectively accuses those listed of participating in a criminal enterprise. Third (going to regular deletion), as the nominator accurately points out, this is not a defining category, since it omits Japanese performers who make such videos released in other markets and non-Japanese performers who make such videos for the Japanese market. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo). Treated like dirt by many administrators since 2006.   (talk) 14:06, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
 * 1) There are tons of uncensored Japanese porn out there, in fact it is more common than not on say pornhub.com. It should be no problem to add sources for each title but that should not be more necessary than for censored porn. 2) It is legal for them to sell uncensored films internationally. --Gstree (talk) 14:40, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
 * "It should be no problem to source" is not a justification for failing to source. Whether or not such porn may be sold outside Japan is irrelevant, since the category relates to the Japanese market. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo). Treated like dirt by many administrators since 2006.   (talk) 16:17, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. The size of the category is not at issue. There is no supporting article. There is no Category:Actors appearing in uncensored pornography, there is no Category:Uncensored pornography. The tree including Category:Japanese pornographic film actors is well-established and sufficient. Oculi (talk) 14:52, 20 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete, per nom. Kierzek (talk) 22:45, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment I would like to make the observation that the topic of uncensored Japanese pornography is indeed notable. The topic is covered (but in insufficient detail) at Pornography in Japan and Censorship_in_Japan. It has recently received coverage in an ongoing series by the Asahi Shimbun about the problem of women being coerced into the pornography industry. The president and other management from one of the biggest companies have recently been arrested for providing uncensored material via foreign-based websites. The interpretation of the law is not a simple task though, and it is only recently that they made a mistake which allowed the police to pounce. Another issue raised as part of Asahi's reporting is women being tricked into appearing in uncensored films, believing they were to be censored. I will track down the sources for all of this when I can. The delete votes, particularly by The Big Bad Wolfowitz, do raise valid concerns with listing specific people within such a category. I would just like to make the preliminary note that the topic itself should not be dismissed due to the current lack of explanation about the significance in our articles. AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 05:53, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, expansion of the sections Pornography in Japan and Censorship_in_Japan would be useful. It does not, however, change my view on the category itself; it's still based on OR and is non-defining. For the category to be sustainable we need reliable secondary sources that consistently describe the subjects in this way. This material within the articles is often cited to the film titles themselves, which I believe to be a classic definition of OR. Please see WP:CATDEF:
 * A central concept used in categorising articles is that of the defining characteristics of a subject of the article. A defining characteristic is one that reliable sources commonly and consistently define the subject as having...
 * K.e.coffman (talk) 07:56, 21 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment/Question is anyone notable for this rather than just being an actor appearing in pornography generally? We don't tend to categorize actors by the subgenres in which they appear. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 23:28, 21 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Can I move the actresses to List of actors appearing in uncensored Japanese pornography, Pornography in Japan or Censorship_in_Japan (as pointed out by )? --Gstree (talk) 18:07, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Sorry, this would still be OR, BLP violations and a list that lacks stand-alone notability. K.e.coffman (talk) 21:11, 26 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete, from what I've read in the articles it seems that the answer to Carlossuarez46' question is negative, they are just pornography actors in general, not acting specifically in uncensored. So this can't be defining. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:13, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete I agree with Marcocapelle's assessment and now think that delete is best. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 00:01, 10 March 2017 (UTC)


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