Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 February 26



Category:Suspected Wikipedia sockpuppets of BethNaught

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 * The result of the discussion was: Speedy delete (non-admin closure) . JDDJS (talk) 18:21, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting suspected wikipedia sockpuppets of bethnaught


 * Nominator's rationale: In July an IP user I blocked, User talk:64.134.169.159, accused me of socking by using that same IP address, placing a tag. Then Spiderjerky created the category, presumably to make the red category link blue. The IP geolocates to the wrong continent and I removed the tag because it's absurd. Can the category please be deleted, it reflects unjustly negatively on me, and besides it was created essential by proxy for a vandal (if unintentionally so). BethNaught (talk) 15:16, 26 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete: per nom spiderjerky  (talk) 16:51, 26 February 2017 (UTC)


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Category:First Ministers of Northern Ireland

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 * The result of the discussion was: relisted here (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 22:11, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:First Ministers of Northern Ireland to Category:First and deputy First Ministers of Northern Ireland
 * Nominator's rationale: The First Minister and deputy First Minister are joint positions in Northern Ireland. One cannot exist without the other. This category implies that they are not equal, so I'm suggesting the name change so that dFMs are included. The two positions are, in a way, 'Joint First Ministers' but the category needs to be changed to reflect their joint authority. st  170  e  14:04, 26 February 2017 (UTC)


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Category:American runestones

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Purported North American runestones (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 13:14, 11 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting american runestones


 * Nominator's rationale: There are no authenticated American runestones. If anyone can think of a title that makes that clear and is guideline compliant, a rename might be appropriate. Doug Weller  talk 12:58, 26 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Alt rename to Category:Stones with runic inscriptions found in North America. A bit unwieldy but even if they are not authentic, they are nonetheless of interest. Laurel Lodged (talk) 13:16, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
 * One problem with that is they aren't all agreed to have runic inscriptions. The Bourne stone is probably Native American inscriptions, and the Vérendrye Runestone doesn't exist and there's no evidence that anyone actually said they saw runes on it. In fact it was described by Jesuits as "Tatarian" writing. Doug Weller  talk 14:03, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
 * No problem. Manually purge all non runic stores. Laurel Lodged (talk) 14:07, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Started to do that. How about 'possible' or 'suggested'? Doug Weller  talk 17:13, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
 * You mean like Category:Stones with possible runic inscriptions found in North America? Nasty, but if others can live with it so can I. Laurel Lodged (talk) 19:58, 26 February 2017 (UTC)


 * I thought I remembered reading about one found in L'Anse aux Meadows, but I can't find anything on it right now. But AFAIK, if that runestone ever existed, it'd be the only legitimate member of this cat, so I say we delete it. I wouldn't be opposed to a category like "North American stones with possible/suggested runic inscriptions". ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants   Tell me all about it.  21:46, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Rename to Category:Inscriptions of disputed origin found in North America. Match parent cat Category:Inscriptions of disputed origin. Neutralitytalk 00:19, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose a bit weakly. As a category they are set apart from genuine runestones, and the articles on each one contained in the category are all fairly clear that their authenticity as ancient artefacts is - at best - doubtful. It's not, however, as if these objects (or at least some of them) don't actually exist in the real world and get articles written about them and silly TV shows made. As a 19th century and later pseudo-archaeological phenomenon they have some notability and it doesn't seem unencyclopaedic to gather them together. The possible trouble is, that if such a simply-named, and thus easy to find, category is deleted in favour of some of the more tortured alternative titles being suggested here, it will come back in the future. If it's permissible, perhaps a little introductory sentence, to the effect that the historicity of all the examples in the category is considered extremely doubtful, might be added? Ghughesarch (talk) 02:21, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Rename to Category:Purported North American runestones reflecting the dubious at best provenance of these stones. As an aside some of the articles are in shockingly bad condition, especially Bourne stone. Shock Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 04:31, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Rename to Cardamon (talk) 02:12, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Rename Category:Purported North American runestones, They are not proven and are (mostly) a bit iffy.Slatersteven (talk) 12:07, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Rename Category:Purported North American runestones. I agree we should probably have a category, and articles on at least the better known of these ... artefacts. They're both notable and interesting, even though I suppose they're honeypots for true believers. But Category:American runestones we certainly do not need. Either rename or delete it. Bishonen &#124; talk 18:29, 7 March 2017 (UTC).


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Provinces of Roman North Africa

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 07:01, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose to Merge Category:Provinces of Roman North Africa to Category:Roman provinces in Africa
 * Nominator's Rationale There were no Roman provinces in Africa that were not also in North Africa. Despite some probing missions to Ethiopia, no conquests were made. Also, there is no such thing as "Roman North Africa"; the term is ahistorical. There is just the Roman presence in the the continent of Africa and the Roman province called, confusingly, Africa. There was also a civil Diocese of Africa in the late Empire but that was completely different. Laurel Lodged (talk) 12:54, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Rome has been notified. Laurel Lodged (talk) 13:06, 26 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Merge. The two categories have, as the nominator notes, exactly the same scope.  Indeed, there are no articles directly in Category:Roman provinces in Africa – only the subcategories Category:Provinces of Roman North Africa and Category:Africa (Roman province) (which is itself already a subcat of Category:Provinces of Roman North Africa) Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 17:45, 27 February 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Swedish expatriate footballers in Norway

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 * The result of the discussion was: upmerge to all parents. – Fayenatic  L ondon 13:28, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting swedish expatriate footballers in norway


 * Nominator's rationale: There is long-standing consensus that these kind of triple intersections are not worthwhile. Category should be deleted and replaced with and . GiantSnowman 08:23, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 08:25, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

GiantSnowman 08:28, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Also nominating the following related categories for the same reason:
 * Upmerge to  and . Recreation of category deleted/upmerged at cfd. The 2 managers categories should also be upmerged to their respective parents (rather than merely deleted). Oculi (talk) 12:16, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Upmerge per above. The precedent set is that these categories aren't necessary. If any source pops up showing that football or sports people from country X are notable in country Y I would gladly change my vote. Inter&#38;anthro (talk) 20:14, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
 * why not also merge to the other parent Category:Swedish expatriate sportspeople in Norway? That one has not been nominated, so why remove most of its population? Is that also deprecated? – Fayenatic  L ondon 10:48, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
 * arguably all triple intersection categories of that nature (including the one you mention) should be deleted. GiantSnowman 10:50, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
 * In that case, by all means nominate all of Category:Expatriate sportspeople by nationality and country of residence, or open an RfC on the topic. But meanwhile, please do not selectively depopulate the hierarchy by stealth or oversight, which is the effect of this nomination. – Fayenatic  L ondon 11:32, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Whatever happened to WP:AGF? I'm following clear consensus and following community procedures to delete these categories. Your accusations are as baseless as they are ridiculous. GiantSnowman 11:33, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I have said 'upmerge to their respective parents', which include Category:Swedish expatriate sportspeople in Norway. I expect I would want to upmerge Category:Swedish expatriate sportspeople in Norway too, if it were brought to cfd. Oculi (talk) 12:32, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I apologise for giving offence with the word "stealth". Nevertheless the point about overlooking the parent remains – the nomination would remove the member pages from all three parents, and in the case of one parent that would be the majority of its population. As a point of general application, please do not nominate a category for deletion when its contents would be valid members of its parent categories; deletion is a different process from merger, as it removes the contents from all the parent hierarchies. – Fayenatic  L ondon 12:57, 18 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment Upmerging the expatriate footballer categories might be correct, but upmerging/deleting Category:Swedish expatriate sportspeople in Norway and similar categories seems like a really, really poor idea. What Fayenatic london says above about the difference between deletion and merging makes good sense, as does the point of having overlooked a parent category. Manxruler (talk) 23:00, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose With nearly 100 articles, there is enough to keep this category and upmerging will lead to overly large categories.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:14, 26 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Support upmerge, as the subject (the triple intersection of Swedish footballers playing in Norway) is not notable. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 08:09, 27 March 2017 (UTC)


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Winners of statistical awards

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic  L ondon 12:59, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose delete Category:Winners of the Guy Medal
 * Propose delete Category:Winners of the Guy Medal in Bronze
 * Propose delete Category:Winners of the Guy Medal in Silver
 * Propose delete Category:Winners of the Guy Medal in Gold
 * Propose delete Category:Winners of the Shewhart Medal‎
 * Propose delete Category:Winners of the Wilks Memorial Award‎‎
 * Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:OCAWARD and WP:NONDEF, these people received an award because they are notable statisticians; but they haven't become notable by having received the award. The winners have been listified already. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:02, 26 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. WP:DNWAUC. Lists of award winners work better than categories. DexDor(talk) 20:33, 5 March 2017 (UTC)


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Medieval cities

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge Moscow and Rome per nomination as revised; merge  Category:14th century in Barcelona to Category:Medieval Barcelona and Category:14th century in Spain;  no consensus on Paris. – Fayenatic  L ondon 13:07, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose merge Category:13th century in Moscow to Category:Medieval Moscow and Category:13th century in Russia Category:Grand Duchy of Moscow
 * Propose merge Category:14th century in Moscow to Category:Medieval Moscow and Category:14th century in Russia Category:14th century in the Grand Duchy of Moscow
 * Propose merge Category:15th century in Moscow to Category:Medieval Moscow and Category:15th century in Russia Category:15th century in the Grand Duchy of Moscow
 * Propose merge Category:14th century in Barcelona to Category:Medieval Barcelona and Category:14th century in Aragon
 * Propose merge Category:14th century in Paris to Category:Medieval Paris and Category:14th century in France
 * Propose merge Category:15th century in Paris to Category:Medieval Paris and Category:15th century in France
 * Propose merge Category:15th century in Rome to Category:Medieval Rome and Category:15th century in the Papal States
 * Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, currently mostly one article per category. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:02, 26 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Support all except Barcelona I don't think that it would be accurate to say that Barcelona was in Agagon at that time period. At most, it could be said to be part of the Crown of Aragon. But this was a political entity, not a strict geographic entity. Laurel Lodged (talk) 13:22, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
 * There is also a Category:14th century in Spain to which it might be merged instead. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:48, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
 * That would work. Laurel Lodged (talk) 19:55, 26 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep and populate. And yet again the nominator does not notify users of his nominations. Smallcat does not apply as all of these categories have potential for growth, unless the nominator is suggesting nothing else happened in Paris the 14th century? The Paris categories now all have more than 1 article. Moscow was actually its own country: see Grand Duchy of Moscow. Tim! (talk) 10:08, 11 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Of course more things have happened in Paris in the 14th century, but the question is whether more notable things have happened. The fact that Moscow was its own country doesn't say much about the potential for articles about the city of Moscow. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:34, 11 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Oppose all except Rome. Rome is the only one where the target is both a good fit and not to be overwhelmed. Paris has enough going on. While Mosco and Barcelona have very questionable targets. What is 13th century Russia anyway? If I remember correctly the Kingdom of Aragon didn't cover Barcelona, Barcelona was a distinct County of Barcelona, part of the domains of the Crown of Aragon.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:18, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I can imagine that "13th century in Russia" is a bit unclear because there was no country named Russia. Consequently the Moscow categories may (also/instead) be merged to Category:Grand Duchy of Moscow. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:03, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Proposal adapted accordingly. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:35, 31 March 2017 (UTC)


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