Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 January 20



Category:J-Rock artists

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete the category as duplication. There is no current list of J-Rock groups so I will move the category page to List of Japanese rock music groups as nominated. I am not sure why the old List of Japanese rock bands was merged to List of musical artists from Japan so I will update that old redirect to point to the recreated list; it has incoming links, so at least the recreated page won't be an orphan. – Fayenatic  L ondon 00:37, 11 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Convert Category:J-Rock artists to article List of Japanese rock music groups
 * Nominator's rationale: Was originally created as a list article, moved today into a category. As a category it is redundant with Category:Japanese rock music groups and Category:Japanese rock musicians and their subcategories. Xfansd (talk) 22:13, 20 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Either:
 * Keep the category, or
 * Delete the category.
 * Either way, if there is a Category:Japanese rock music groups then the category both in category form and article form is completely superfluous and shouldn't have an article dedicated to it if a category already exists, in which case deleting the category would be the best option.
 * Dr Strauss  talk  22:31, 20 January 2017 (UTC)


 * As you start saying "keep or", while your further comment seems to indicate that you would favor deletion as the only option, what would be the rationale to keep? Marcocapelle (talk) 19:12, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I mean the article should be deleted and it the collection should just be a mere category. Thanks.   Dr Strauss   talk  19:54, 9 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete, this is not really my specialism but by just checking a sample of articles it seems that this is not a defining characteristic and, as nom stated, most articles are already somewhere in the tree of Category:Japanese rock music groups. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:24, 25 February 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Fascist politics in Romania

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 08:22, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Fascist politics in Romania to Category:Fascism in Romania
 * Nominator's rationale: Per other categories in Category:Fascism by country. Charles Essie (talk) 20:44, 20 January 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Cambodian nationalism

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 * The result of the discussion was: Relisted at CFD 2017 February 5. . -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 23:03, 5 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Cambodian nationalism to Category:Khmer nationalism
 * Propose renaming Category:Cambodian nationalists to Category:Khmer nationalists
 * Nominator's rationale: C2D per Khmer nationalism. Charles Essie (talk) 17:47, 20 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Oppose, while Khmer nationalism is a notable topic within Cambodian nationalism, it's not the same. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:02, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, but we don't have an article for "Cambodian nationalism" and we do for "Khmer nationalism". Charles Essie (talk) 22:12, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
 * That happens more often. We don't have an article Moroccan nationalism either, while we do have Category:Moroccan nationalism. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:00, 27 January 2017 (UTC)
 * This is true, so what do you recommend? Charles Essie (talk) 22:03, 3 February 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Attacks on civilians attributed to the Eelam People's Democratic Party

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 08:31, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Attacks on civilians attributed to the Eelam People's Democratic Party to Category:Eelam People's Democratic Party
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. Charles Essie (talk) 17:36, 20 January 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Fan films based on Star Wars

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 * The result of the discussion was: Same title. The difference between the titles is irrelevant from the software's prospective; the displayed title was caused by a faulty on the page. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 14:19, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category: Fan films based on Star Wars to Category:Fan films based on Star Wars
 * Nominator's rationale: Clearly an honest mistake. Charles Essie (talk) 17:33, 20 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment Is there any difference between the two titles? I honestly do not see it. Dimadick (talk) 17:52, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Do you see the space between "Catrgory:" and "Fan"? Charles Essie (talk) 18:01, 20 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Speedy Per WP:C2B, enforcing established Wikipedia naming conventions and practices. We don't put a space after the colon. RevelationDirect (talk) 10:52, 22 January 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Underworld (films)

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 08:35, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Underworld (films) to Category:Underworld (film series)
 * Nominator's rationale: C2D per Underworld (film series). Charles Essie (talk) 17:29, 20 January 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Chechen wars

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure)  f  eminist  02:09, 3 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Chechen wars to Category:Chechen–Russian conflict
 * Nominator's rationale: C2D per Chechen–Russian conflict. Charles Essie (talk) 17:26, 20 January 2017 (UTC)


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Category:The Troubles (Northern Ireland)

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. – Fayenatic  L ondon 17:43, 11 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:The Troubles (Northern Ireland) to Category:The Troubles
 * Propose renaming Category:Books about the Troubles (Northern Ireland) to Category:Books about the Troubles Category:Books about The Troubles
 * Propose renaming Category:British military personnel killed in The Troubles (Northern Ireland) to Category:British military personnel killed in the Troubles Category:British military personnel killed in The Troubles
 * Propose renaming Category:Films about The Troubles (Northern Ireland) to Category:Films about the Troubles Category:Films about The Troubles
 * Propose renaming Category:Loyalists imprisoned during the Northern Ireland conflict to Category:Loyalists imprisoned during the Troubles Category:Loyalists imprisoned during The Troubles
 * Propose renaming Category:Military actions and engagements during the Troubles (Northern Ireland) to Category:Military actions and engagements during the Troubles Category:Military actions and engagements during The Troubles
 * Propose renaming Category:People imprisoned during the Northern Ireland conflict to Category:People imprisoned during the Troubles Category:People imprisoned during The Troubles
 * Propose renaming Category:People killed during The Troubles (Northern Ireland) to Category:People killed during the Troubles Category:People killed during The Troubles
 * Propose renaming Category:People killed by security forces during The Troubles (Northern Ireland) to Category:People killed by security forces during the Troubles Category:People killed by security forces during The Troubles
 * Propose renaming Category:Republicans imprisoned during the Northern Ireland conflict to Category:Republicans imprisoned during the Troubles Category:Republicans imprisoned during The Troubles
 * Propose renaming Category:Soldiers imprisoned during the Northern Ireland conflict to Category:Soldiers imprisoned during the Troubles Category:Soldiers imprisoned during The Troubles
 * Propose renaming Category:Songs about The Troubles (Northern Ireland) to Category:Songs about the Troubles Category:Songs about The Troubles
 * Propose renaming Category:The Troubles (Northern Ireland) by locality to Category:The Troubles by locality
 * Propose renaming Category:Women in The Troubles (Northern Ireland) to Category:Women in the Troubles Category:Women in The Troubles
 * Propose renaming Category:Works about The Troubles (Northern Ireland) to Category:Works about the Troubles Category:Works about The Troubles
 * Nominator's rationale: C2D per The Troubles. Charles Essie (talk) 17:10, 20 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Speedy rename to match the main article.  Lugnuts  Precious bodily fluids 20:18, 20 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep all – per previous cfds, such as this one. Category names must be unambiguous. Oculi (talk) 21:16, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
 * What other "troubles" could any of these possibly refer to? Charles Essie (talk) 21:42, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
 * See the previous cfds, all of which are nearly unanimous. Oculi (talk) 23:57, 20 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep all: many people do not know what are the The Troubles, so more clarification is good. IQ125 (talk) 13:07, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep all: longstanding names, clarity for readers is good. Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 14:01, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Rename: Unless they need to be diambig'd, we get rid of the clarification - as clearly is the case here.—Brigade Piron (talk) 17:45, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Rename All Per WP:C2D. The CFD discussions should not override decisions made by subject matter experts at the article level and having mismatched names between main articles and categories hinders navigation. Names are either ambiguous for both the article and the category or they are ambiguous for neither.  (I also suspect that this practice of mismatched names allows ambiguous article names to persist, like Birmingham and The Troubles, because it shifts valid concerns from the article talk page over here to CFD.) RevelationDirect (talk) 11:00, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Editors seem to appeal to policy without reading it. WP:C2D: "This applies only if the related page's current name (and by extension, the proposed name for the category) is unambiguous". The name is ambiguous per The Troubles (disambiguation). In particular events in Ireland in the 1920s were also known as "The Troubles". Oculi (talk) 15:24, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I should have said per the spirit of WP:C2D since that was written for speedy nominations. You make a compelling argument for renaming the article. RevelationDirect (talk) 03:18, 23 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep all "Trouble" is too common a word to be appropriate without disambiguation. Furthermore, before the 1970s, "The Troubles" meant the conflicts after WWI, leading up to the creation of the Irish Free State.  Sometimes categories need a dab, even when articles do not have one.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:54, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep all, to avoid ambiguity and consequent miscategorisations, per previous discussions. I share Oculi's regret that some editors cite WP:C2D without appearing to have read it. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 01:13, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Rename per WP:C2D. Since Troubles in the category name is capitalized, editors are very unlikely to confuse this with any kind of troubles. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:53, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
 * That's a good point, I'm going to change the proposed names accordingly. Charles Essie (talk) 22:31, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
 * When writing my earlier comment I had T in Troubles in mind, not T in The, but in fact capitalization of both is an improvement indeed. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:27, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
 * What do you think of this change? Charles Essie (talk) 16:19, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I think it is time for you to give up on a lost cause and do something else at Wikipedia and stop pinging me! IQ125 (talk) 16:23, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Alright! Alright! I'll never ping you again. Charles Essie (talk) 00:50, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
 * IQ125 speaks for me too. Oculi (talk) 01:22, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. Charles Essie (talk) 01:46, 26 February 2017 (UTC)


 * I still say that this needs a disambiguator. Until the 1970s, "The Troubles" was a euphemism for the events leading up to the creation of the Irish Free State.  Even that acquired a different disambiguator, I suspect we would still risk the categories picking up irrelevant articles.  Peterkingiron (talk) 13:24, 7 March 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Chalcedonianism

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 * The result of the discussion was: relisted  at Categories_for_discussion/Log/2017_March_11. – Fayenatic  L ondon 17:22, 11 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting chalcedonianism


 * Propose deleting Category:Chalcedonian Christians
 * Propose deleting Category:Chalcedonian Christian monarchs
 * Propose deleting Category:Converts to Chalcedonian Christianity‎
 * Nominator's rationale: delete because the scope of the category is unclear (is it about denominations, or rites, or theology?) and without limiting inclusion criteria the category may grow to a near-copy of the whole Category:Christianity tree (which would be useless of course). (Background: Chalcedonian Christianity may be regarded as synonymous of 'mainstream Christianity', covering Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy and Protestantism.) Marcocapelle (talk) 15:36, 20 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Partial Oppose I could live with the deletion of all bar Category:Chalcedonianism. Such a container is still needed. Laurel Lodged (talk) 21:12, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete most -- I agree that Category:Chalcedonianism may be worth having but as a container for Catholic and Orthodox and their descendant denominations (e.g. most Protestant churches). Possibly rename that to Category:Chalcedonian denominations.  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:00, 22 January 2017 (UTC)


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Category:American horror film actors

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. VegaDark (talk) 03:03, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting american horror film actors


 * Nominator's rationale: First, this is no scheme for Category:Horror film actors, nor should there be. Should actors be categorized by the genre of films they appear in? Doris Day in Category:American romantic-comedy film actors, for example. And just think of the overcategorization this could lead to. -- Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 08:34, 20 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete. Subcatting actors by genre of film that they might happen to appear in is not a helpful point of categorization. Very few actors appear only in horror films to the exclusion of any other genre — even Vincent Price did comedies and conventional realist dramas too — so this would simply lead to extreme category bloat. Bearcat (talk) 17:17, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete Most actors with lengthy careers have notable appearances in multiple genres. Should we add them to "Horror", "Drama", "Comedy", "Fantasy", etc specific categories because of it? I seriously doubt it. Dimadick (talk) 18:00, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete Full disclosure, I was the creator of this category and in retrospect agree with most the points made here. Neptune&#39;s Trident (talk) 18:27, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom.  Lugnuts  Precious bodily fluids 20:17, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete presumably a horror film actor can do other genres, too. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 02:07, 24 January 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Frogs of Brazil

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 19:16, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Frogs of Brazil to Category:Amphibians of Brazil and Category:Frogs of South America
 * Nominator's rationale: Frogs don't recognize national borders, so we don't need by-country categories for them. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 05:43, 20 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Query What about the Category:Frogs of Haiti? Do Category:Amphibians of Brazil recognize national borders? Laurel Lodged (talk) 13:11, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment Brazil is a big place. We might have a category for its rain forests, though these extent into Peru and other countries.  Haiti is an island, so that its fauna cannot escape.  The question would be whether it differs much from the rest of the West Indies: I suspect it does not.  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:03, 22 January 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Synclavier songs

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure)  f  eminist  05:37, 30 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting synclavier songs


 * Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary category, if we continue to create categories for programming like this, it is a case of WP:OVERCAT. — I B  [ Poke ] 03:30, 20 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete – featuring a Synclavier is not a defining characteristic of a song. Oculi (talk) 11:03, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete. Instrumentation is not a defining characteristic of a song, although it may be of a recording. --Richhoncho (talk) 10:36, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
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