Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 January 3



Category:Recipients of the Order of the Yugoslav Star

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Cerebellum (talk) 15:52, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting Category:Recipients of the Order of the Yugoslav Star
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:PERFCAT and WP:OCAWARD (WP:NONDEFINING)
 * When foreign heads of state visited Yugoslavia or vice versa, they received the Order of the Yugoslav Star as a souvenir from the government as part of the official welcome. If you're wondering just how much category clutter these categories could possibly create for heads of state, just take a look at the train wreck at the bottom of this article. If we delete this category, the recipients will still be listed here. - RevelationDirect (talk) 23:48, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: Notified Folks at 137 as the category creator and I added this discussion to WikiProject Yugoslavia. – RevelationDirect (talk) 23:48, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Background We deleted medals given to foreign officials by Venezuela and Afghanistan here and here. - RevelationDirect (talk) 23:48, 3 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete Categories are not meant to chronicle every diplomatic visit done by a head of state.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:35, 5 January 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Order of the Royal House of Chakri

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic  L ondon 07:26, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting Category:Order of the Royal House of Chakri
 * Propose Deleting Category:Knights of the Order of the Royal House of Chakri
 * Propose Deleting Category:Dames of the Order of the Royal House of Chakri
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OVERLAPCAT and WP:OCAWARD (WP:NONDEFINING)
 * The Order of the Royal House of Chakri is given to members of the royal family who are already well categorized under Category:Chakri dynasty. In some cases, it's given to foreign heads of state like George VI and Dwight D. Eisenhower. In both cases the award is secondary to the underlying reason for notability. If we decide to delete these categories, the foreign recipients are listed here. - RevelationDirect (talk) 23:47, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: The notified AusTerrapin as the category creator and I added this discussion to WikiProject Thailand. – RevelationDirect (talk) 23:47, 3 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Listify at the very least. The list should contain all recipients, not just foreigners. --Paul_012 (talk) 03:36, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I normally listify before nominating but there's so many royal family members I thought the complete list would not be practical. But, based on your comment, I just copied the current contents of the category on the talk page right here so that, if you want to listify, you don't have to re-research the current category contents. RevelationDirect (talk) 05:01, 6 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete This is non-defining to any of the recipients.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:36, 5 January 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Parishes in the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Cashel and Emly

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. Cerebellum (talk) 15:44, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting parishes in the roman catholic archdiocese of cashel and emly


 * Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:NONDEF, these are mostly civil parishes, towns and villages that happen to coincide with Roman Catholic parishes. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:15, 3 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep – I checked the first 50% or so of the articles and they all mentioned being parishes of the Catholic church in the first para. So the nondef charge seems to fail. (Don't all parishes 'happen' to coincide with something else?) Oculi (talk) 20:03, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
 * The WP articles are there because they are about a civil parish and/or a village, the Catholic parish is not a defining characteristic of the civil parish and/or village. They are essentially a different thing than the civil parish and/or village, and just mentioned in the article because they share name and area. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:55, 3 January 2017 (UTC)


 * What about Thurles (Roman Catholic parish) or Moycarkey, Littleton, Two-Mile-Borris? I have read quite a few of the articles and disagree with your assessment. Oculi (talk) 22:11, 3 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep The parish of Templemore, Clonmore and Killea is an ecclesiastical parish. The town of Templemore has a page in its own right as do the villages of Clonmore and Killea. It is the combined entity that is a parish. In other cases, the church building is the embodiment of the parish and of the locality. In such small, rural cases, there is often no structure worthy of note that is not a church building of the parish. Where buildings of the Church of Ireland are also situated within the parish boundaries, in most cases, that CoI church will not be part of a parish in that locality. This is because most CoI parishes in Ireland have merged, due to declining numbers, so the official parish is the "Union of Castleknock and Clonsilla with Mulhuddart" whereas each of the named entities might be a RC parish in its own right. Actually, in the case of Castleknock, there are at least three RC parishes in the locality, including the St Thomas, the Apostle parish, Laurel Lodge which is also an ecclesiastical parish, not a civil parish or a recognized legal entity. As the lead in the civil parish article states, "They no longer correspond to the boundaries of Roman Catholic or Church of Ireland parishes, which are generally larger.". Laurel Lodged (talk) 13:39, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep but Purge -- The content should be limited to articles on ecclesiastical parishes, not articles on places that happen to have a RC church. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:18, 8 January 2017 (UTC)


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Category:NCT

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 07:19, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting nct


 * Nominator's rationale: I was planning to just move this to Category:NCT (band), but there's not enough content to even warrant the eponymous category for this group per long-standing precedent and WP:OCEPON. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 19:13, 3 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete. Many organisations go under these initials.  A source of confusion. Rathfelder (talk) 19:00, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
 * REname, if kept -- No view as to whether to keep. The present name is ambiguous.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:20, 8 January 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Gugudan

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 * Propose deleting gugudan


 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 07:21, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Nominator's rationale: Overcategorization per WP:OCEPON. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 18:49, 3 January 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional applied scientists

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Fictional scientists. Cerebellum (talk) 15:24, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Fictional applied scientists to Category:Fictional academics
 * Nominator's rationale: merge, as it's quite unlikely that "applied scientist" exists as a real life occupation (or as a set of occupations). We neither have an article Applied scientist nor a Category:Applied scientists. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:01, 3 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Upmerge to Category:Fictional scientists. Oculi (talk) 12:35, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
 * That is another feasible solution. The original nomination may have a slight advantage in the sense that scientist is an occupation while the subcategories of Category:Fictional applied scientists refer to educational background rather than to occupation. For example, Tin-Tin Kyrano studied mathematics but wasn't occupied as a scientist or mathematician. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:00, 3 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Merge to Category:Fictional scientists. It is not worth having a split between pure and applied.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:22, 8 January 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Nancy King live albums

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Nancy King (jazz singer) albums (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 19:26, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming (hence upmerging) Category:Nancy King live albums to Category:Nancy King albums
 * Nominator's rationale: Not my area, but according to the article Nancy King (jazz singer) has only made one live album so at present this is a true WP:SMALLCAT. Apparently she has made 10 albums, so the potential is there for a respectable albums category by the standards of these things - but at present none of the studio albums have articles. Still, I'd tend to give her the benefit of the doubt on that front for the time being, and assume the lack of articles reflects bebop being less popular than One Direction rather than the albums themselves being non-notable. Le Deluge (talk) 00:40, 3 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment: I recall a recent discussion which ended with keeping both category levels, as valid members of Category:Albums by artist and Category:Live albums by artist. That would indicate creating the suggested new name as a parent category. – Fayenatic  L ondon 18:35, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Rename to Category:Nancy King (jazz singer) albums (to match name of main article). For only one album, the main category seems to suffice without need of an additional subcategory. WP:SMALLCAT exception applies to the Category:Albums by artist scheme, but consensus has not been established for its subcategory types (live, compilation, etc.). -- Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 08:57, 8 January 2017 (UTC)


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