Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 July 26



Category:IND Eighth Avenue Line templates

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 * The result of the discussion was: upmerge (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 05:37, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting ind eighth avenue line templates


 * Nominator's rationale: This category has just one member, Template:IND8, which is up for deletion. Even if that template is kept, it can be upmerged into Category:Templates for New York City Subway lines. epicgenius (talk) 20:39, 26 July 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Algerian Christian saints

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 * The result of the discussion was: reverse merge, allowing parent category Category:Algerian saints to be used for saints of other religions. User:Sondra.kinsey: thank you for listing this for discussion, but please do not empty categories without waiting for the CFD process. – Fayenatic  L ondon 10:59, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting algerian christian saints


 * Nominator's rationale: parent category Category:Algerian saints is already a subcategory of Category:Christian saints Sondra.kinsey (talk) 18:54, 26 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Reverse merge from Category:Algerian saints to Category:Algerian Christian saints per normal tree structure. Laurel Lodged (talk) 12:18, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment, almost none of the subcategories of Category:Christian saints by nationality contains "Christian" in the name, with a few exceptions. Apparently with most nationalities it is simply assumed that all saints of that nationality are Christian saints. So one the one hand the nomination is aligning the format within the by-nationality tree, on the other hand the by-nationality tree as a whole deviates from its sibling Category:Christian saints by period. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:32, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Agree with all you've written there Marco. However, as we know, there are Hindu and Muslim and Bahai saints too. It would be wrong, therefore, for Christians to appropriate the entire category to themselves. So while it may not sit nicely with WP:Precision (so beloved of BHG in the GB discussions), it is an honourable exception IMHO. Laurel Lodged (talk) 09:34, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I agree it makes sense to rename all of them into Christian, but then actually the whole by nationality tree should be nominated. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:27, 28 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep -- Hindu saints in Algeria is improbable, but there may be Muslim (e.g. Sufi) ones and they should not be merged with Christians. At worst this should be a merge nom, not a delete one.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:47, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Reverse merge to Christian Saints category. At least in some sources some Sufi individuals will be described as Saints, but they should not be put in the Christian category.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:59, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment someone has emptied the article since it has been nominated for discussion. Inter&#38;anthro (talk) 14:28, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Reverse Merge With no objection to recreating this parent category when non-Christian saints show up/are recognized. RevelationDirect (talk) 02:02, 26 August 2017 (UTC)


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Category:People from the Principality of Moldavia

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 * The result of the discussion was: split to Category:People of the Principality of Moldavia and Category:People from Western Moldavia. – Fayenatic  L ondon 07:45, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:People from the Principality of Moldavia to Category:People from Western Moldavia
 * Nominator's rationale: This should be moved because, as currently worded, it's ahistorical. While some of the people in it are from the actual principality (in particular the government ministers and the rulers), most are not, especially in the county subcategories. People like, say, Narcis Bădic, Alexandru Buhuși, Vlad Danale, Andrei Herghelegiu, Adrian Moldovan or Ștefan Popescu -- all athletes from Iași born in the 1990s, 130+ years after the principality ceased to exist -- cannot be said to come from the principality, but are very much from Western Moldavia, an extant geographic region. For people specifically associated with the principality (say the ministers, rulers and consorts), perhaps a separate Category:People of the Principality of Moldavia would be advisable. Biruitorul Talk 18:18, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose. We already have several subcats in Category:People by former country, therefore I think a category cleanup would be better (though Category:People from Western Moldavia would still be a valid, but parallel, category, that would not apply to quite a few of the people currently in the "principality of Moldavia" category). The cat as it stands now should only be present on articles about people born in a territory that, at the time of their birth, weas part of the Moldavian principality (which would exclude all the examples presented by the nomination).Anonimu (talk) 16:01, 29 July 2017 (UTC)
 * In general, the "former country" categories take the "of + country" format. So if this gets moved to Category:People of the Principality of Moldavia and we then create Category:People from Western Moldavia, that should solve the matter. - Biruitorul Talk 19:36, 29 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep -- We have lots of categories for former countries. If the former polity survives as a current polity (of a lower level), we can have both categories with see also capnotes.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:52, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I believe that is what the nom is proposing, if I got it right, only by changing the category for the former principality from "people from" to "people of", which would hint at their being connected, generally by birth, with a polity, without however treating that polity the same as an existing unit; as in Category:People of the Kingdom of Kandy or Category:People of the Empire of Trebizond. In addition, the proposal is to also have a category for the geographical (and political, to some extent) region of Western Moldavia that would presumably include people from within and without the other category, most often through their county subcats, as in Category:People from Iași County. This would mean that a hypothetical person born in Podu Iloaiei in, say, 1810, would belong to Category:People from Iași County (all of which would be in Category:People from Western Moldavia) and also to Category:People of the Principality of Moldavia. Sounds reasonable and well in tune with precedents. Dahn (talk) 06:39, 14 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Split as nominator proposed in the course of the discussion. Part of the content of the category relates to the region, another part relates to the former principality. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:35, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Purge of county subcategories, and only include people who came from Moldavia. Also include people who came from parts of Moldavia now in Moldova or Ukraine when that area was part of the Principality of Moldavia.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:00, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Support per my comment above. Dahn (talk) 06:39, 14 August 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Former defense companies of Japan

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename. Timrollpickering 09:58, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Former defense companies of Japan to Category:Defunct defense companies of Japan
 * Nominator's rationale: Unlike the below nomination, there is no defunct defense companies tree and again some of these aren't defunct. Tim! (talk) 17:57, 26 July 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Former Manufacturing companies of Japan

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename. Timrollpickering 09:58, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Former Manufacturing companies of Japan to Category:Defunct manufacturing companies of Japan
 * Nominator's rationale: There is a tree for, however not everything in this category is defunct eg Sanyo, so perhaps a different name might be better. Tim! (talk) 17:53, 26 July 2017 (UTC)


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Category:People from Finleyville, Pennsylvania

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 05:40, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Finleyville, Pennsylvania to Category:People from Washington County, Pennsylvania
 * Nominator's rationale: Small one-county community with just 3 entries. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 11:28, 26 July 2017 (UTC)


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Category:MTR stations in New Territories

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 * The result of the discussion was: speedy rename WP:C2E. – Fayenatic  L ondon 23:33, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:MTR stations in New Territories to Category:MTR stations in the New Territories
 * Nominator's rationale: "New Territories" usually needs the definite article. Jc86035 (talk) Use &#123;&#123;re&#124;Jc86035&#125;&#125;
 * Support. Oops. That was my mistake when I created it. epicgenius (talk) 13:25, 26 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Does that make this a speedy? Peterkingiron (talk) 16:54, 30 July 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Lists of schools in Botswana

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 05:43, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting lists of schools in botswana


 * Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary, as all the city-specific lists have been redirected to their parent city articles, and only the single main list of schools remains. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 08:22, 26 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Merge to all parents. PMC please note that "deleting" a category means removing the contents from all the parent hierarchies. – Fayenatic  L ondon 23:40, 30 July 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Network protocols

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 05:49, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Network protocols to Category:Communication protocols
 * Nominator's rationale: Per network protocol redirecting to communication protocol. Alternately, make this a subcat. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 00:10, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Marcocapelle (talk) 06:13, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose. I am not an IT expert, but it seems to me that there is merit in retaining a distinction beween networking protocols, and other types of communication protocol such or Bluetooth.
 * So I wouldn't support this change of scope unless we had input from the relevant WkiiProjects that they though it appropriate. Have any such projects been notified? --- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Not by me. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 16:31, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
 * For info, this discussion is listed on WikiProject Computing, since the category talk page has a wikiproject tag. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:21, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Marcocapelle (talk) 06:24, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment note that this is actually a rename proposal instead of a merge proposal. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:28, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
 * It seems the nominator's intended merge target was Category:Communications protocols, which actually exists. That said, opppose merge per lack of clear rationale. — swpb T 14:02, 28 July 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Neighborhoods

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename. Timrollpickering 09:56, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Neighborhoods to Category:Neighbourhoods
 * Nominator's rationale: The parent article is Neighbourhood, and Neighborhood is a redirect to it. I didn't want to send this to CFDS because there was a bit of a copy/paste-move-war some time back at the latter page, so someone might object that the article's current name isn't stable enough.  Non-localised subcategories, e.g. Category:Fictional neighborhoods, will need to be renamed unless this nomination is rejected somehow.  Nyttend (talk) 02:04, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Marcocapelle (talk) 05:53, 26 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Support – per Neighbourhood and also a majority of the top-level subcats, eg Category:Neighbourhoods by country. Oculi (talk) 21:40, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Support but that does not mean that US subcategories should be renamed as well. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:55, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Support It is a standard convention that there should be concordance between a particular category's name and a related page's name. AusLondonder (talk) 17:44, 30 July 2017 (UTC)


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