Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 July 6



Category:The 99

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 03:52, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting the 99


 * Nominator's rationale: Too little content. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:37, 6 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep: The category collects all articles concerning The 99 so that a reader interested in the topic easily can find the other articles for further reading. --Bensin (talk) 20:22, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:SMALLCAT. Categ contains only 3 articles, which can be easily interlinked without needing a category. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 09:44, 7 July 2017 (UTC)


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Category:WikiProject Film banner templates with categories disabled

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep.  ℯ  xplicit  06:20, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting wikiproject film banner templates with categories disabled


 * Nominator's rationale: Seems very counterintuitive to categorize transclusions of templates that have categories turned off. I don't see what purpose this has besides adding clutter. – Train2104 (t • c) 15:48, 6 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep. 1/ It's a tracking category, so it's hidden, i.e. it doesn't show up unless an editor has enabled hidden category display on the "Appearance" tab of Special:Preferences.
 * 2/ It allows editors to track where categories have been inappropriately disabled. This is a Good Thing, so congrats to whoever created it.
 * Finally, this categ is clearly signposted as being used by WP:FILM. So why did Train2104 not ask the project whether it's needed, or at the very least notify them of this discussion? -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:51, 14 July 2017 (UTC)


 * WP:FILM notified. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:56, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep This is a maintenance template category for WP Films. It is meant for project Banners, I don't see where it can add clutter... Thanks for notifying us, BrownHairedGirl. Hoverfish Talk 00:19, 15 July 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Burr–Hamilton duel

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 03:55, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting burr–hamilton duel


 * Nominator's rationale: Non-defining, unnecessary; already includes tangential wl to Aaron Burr (advertisement), and mostly duplicates wikilinks that are readily available (with context) in body of article Burr-Hamilton duel Lwarrenwiki (talk) 13:39, 6 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete -- It is appropriate to have an article on the duel, but we do not need a category to cover a minor incident in history. Peterkingiron (talk) 21:21, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete--I agree with User:Peterkingiron that a Wikipedia article on the subject is appropriate, but a category on the subject would be non-defining especially considering that the biography articles on the two principal participants, Aaron Burr and Alexander Hamilton have not been included in this category.--TommyBoy (talk) 02:37, 12 July 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Health, education, and welfare

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:28, 14 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting health, education, and welfare


 * Nominator's rationale: delete, this is a hodgepodge of different topics lumped together. The category clearly shows that JEL uses different criteria for categorization than Wikipedia. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:31, 6 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment Note the former existence of the US government's Department of Health, Education, and Welfare. Whether or not that's relevant to this discussion is for others to decide; I just wanted it to be available for deciding.  Nyttend (talk) 11:57, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Support: an obsolete hodgepodge, throwback to the 1970s government department that brought these three things together by administrative caprice. Delete per nom. Lwarrenwiki (talk) 14:13, 9 July 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Agricultural and natural resource economics

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Silence = consent. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:31, 14 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:Agricultural and natural resource economics to Category:Economics of primary sector industries
 * Nominator's rationale: upmerge, the scope of this category completely overlaps with its parent. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:25, 6 July 2017 (UTC)


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Category:First Peoples National Party of Canada politicians

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Silence = consent. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:25, 14 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:First Peoples National Party of Canada politicians to Category:First Nations politicians
 * Nominator's rationale: Single-entry WP:SMALLCAT for a defunct political party, with no further prospect of growth beyond its leader. This was a good faith creation at the time, as Wikipedia was formerly more flexible about this kind of thing -- it used to be that the possibility of eventual expansion was enough to justify this, but the party disbanded in 2013 and our standards have tightened up to now require a more immediate prospect of expansion that can't be met. Bearcat (talk) 06:05, 6 July 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional beauticians

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep, i.e. not renamed. Consensus to keep the current title. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs)


 * Propose renaming Category:Fictional beauticians to Category:Fictional beauticians and cosmetologists
 * Nominator's rationale: more inclusive; main article covers specialists such as "Esthetician", "Beautician", etc. All these names redirect to article. --Omanyd (talk) 10:13, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment With the ongoing effort to close the "wage gap" for women, I've learned that most got cheated by virtue of a lower wage "job title" that performed the equivalent work of a "higher wage" one. That got me thinking and so I am curious. What is consensus of various Category:Fictional characters by occupation categories with distinct job titles; yet they technically synonymous and/or perform the same job function? (i.e. garbage-boy, janitor, custodian, etc.)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Support To make the category more inclusive. Dimadick (talk) 05:26, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Question, do we really need this kind of categories? I can imagine that we have categories for fictional law enforcement agents, fictional slaves, fictional pirates, i.e. for any occupation that really defines the fiction. But beautician seems just too trivial and non-defining. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:19, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose, we have a parent Category:Beauticians but none for cosmetologists. What's good enough for real people is good enough for fictional characters. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:58, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ℯ  xplicit  00:58, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Fayenatic but I would support a rename of both Category:Beauticians and Category:Fictional beauticians to 'Cosmetologists' or similar. (Beautician redirects to Cosmetology.) Oculi (talk) 08:48, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Fayenatic london, and since "beautician" is a normal English term for this concept, let's not rename real or fictional beauticians to cosmetologists; aside from the chance that some people might confuse them with cosmologists, the term tends toward job title inflation. I checked eight members of this category, and seven of them appeared to be soap-opera characters (including three from EastEnders); for such characters, probably created because beauty shops are a natural place to share community gossip, the category really is defining.  Nyttend (talk) 11:59, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
 * PS, I would, however, be in favor of merging this with Category:Fictional barbers. Nyttend (talk) 12:03, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
 * PPS, merge both of these categories with Category:Fictional hairdressers, because

Nyttend (talk) 21:54, 9 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Oppose A cosmetologist should be someone who studies "cosmet". I know what cosmetics are, but "cosmet" is not an English word.  Peterkingiron (talk) 21:26, 9 July 2017 (UTC)


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