Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 June 1



Category:Financial institutions

 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was: disperse.  ℯ  xplicit  02:11, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose dispersing Category:Financial institutions between Category:Financial services and Category:Financial services companies
 * Propose dispersing Category:Financial institutions of India between Category:Financial services companies of India and appropriate sub-categories (added on relisting, 1 June)


 * Nominator's rationale: disperse per WP:OVERLAPCAT, Financial institutions are institutions providing financial services, that cannot be separated in distinct categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:13, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
 * If needed, I'll be happy to assist in implementation of the proposal. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:57, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: I have tagged the talk page with project banners to generate alerts.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Fayenatic  L ondon 20:45, 14 May 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Adding India sub-category to nomination

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Fayenatic  L ondon 09:20, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for adding the Indian subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:47, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
 * No objection but you cannot expect the closing admin to do this. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:36, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't - see comment in small font. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:18, 4 June 2017 (UTC)


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Ancient year and decade categories in Greece, Iran, Roman Britain and Spain

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge.  ℯ  xplicit  02:11, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:404 BC in Greece to Category:404 BC in Europe and Category:5th century BC in Greece
 * Propose merging Category:403 BC in Greece to Category:403 BC in Europe and Category:5th century BC in Greece
 * Propose merging Category:549 BC in Iran to Category:549 BC in Asia and Category:6th century BC in Iran
 * Propose merging Category:344 in Iran to Category:344 in Asia and Category:4th century in Iran
 * Propose merging Category:363 in Iran to Category:363 in Asia and Category:4th century in Iran
 * Propose merging Category:410 in Iran to Category:410 in Asia and Category:5th century in Iran
 * Propose merging Category:40s establishments in Roman Britain to Category:40s establishments in the Roman Empire and Category:1st-century establishments in Roman Britain
 * Propose merging Category:50s establishments in Roman Britain to Category:50s establishments in the Roman Empire and Category:1st-century establishments in Roman Britain


 * Propose merging Category:70s establishments in Roman Britain to Category:70s establishments in the Roman Empire and Category:1st-century establishments in Roman Britain
 * Propose merging Category:128 establishments in Roman Britain to Category:128 establishments in the Roman Empire and Category:2nd-century establishments in Roman Britain
 * Propose merging Category:197 establishments in Roman Britain to Category:197 establishments in the Roman Empire and Category:2nd-century establishments in Roman Britain
 * Propose merging Category:200s establishments in Roman Britain to Category:200s establishments in the Roman Empire and Category:2nd-century establishments in Roman Britain Category:3rd-century establishments in Roman Britain
 * Propose merging Category:270s disestablishments in Roman Britain to Category:270s establishments in the Roman Empire and Category:3rd-century establishments in Roman Britain Category:270s disestablishments in the Roman Empire and Category:3rd-century disestablishments in Roman Britain
 * Propose merging Category:290s disestablishments in Roman Britain to Category:290s establishments in the Roman Empire and Category:3rd-century establishments in Roman Britain Category:290s disestablishments in the Roman Empire and Category:3rd-century disestablishments in Roman Britain
 * Propose merging Category:383 disestablishments in Roman Britain to Category:383 disestablishments in the Roman Empire and Category:4th-century disestablishments in Roman Britain
 * Propose merging Category:400s disestablishments in Roman Britain to Category:400s disestablishments in the Roman Empire and Category:5th-century disestablishments in Roman Britain
 * Propose merging Category:410 disestablishments in Roman Britain to Category:410 disestablishments in the Roman Empire and Category:5th-century disestablishments in Roman Britain
 * Propose merging Category:27 BC in Spain to Category:10s BC in the Roman Empire Category:20s BC in the Roman Empire and Category:1st century BC in Spain
 * Propose merging Category:305 in Spain to Category:305 in the Roman Empire and Category:4th century in Spain
 * Propose merging Category:306 in Spain to Category:306 in the Roman Empire and Category:4th century in Spain
 * Propose merging Category:380 in Spain to Category:380 in the Roman Empire and Category:4th century in Spain
 * Propose merging Category:397 in Spain to Category:397 in the Roman Empire and Category:4th century in Spain
 * Propose merging Category:398 in Spain to Category:398 in the Roman Empire and Category:4th century in Spain
 * Propose merging Category:399 in Spain to Category:399 in the Roman Empire and Category:4th century in Spain
 * Propose merging Category:400 in Spain to Category:400 in the Roman Empire and Category:4th century in Spain
 * Propose merging Category:419 in Spain to Category:419 in the Roman Empire and Category:5th century in Spain
 * Propose merging Category:461 in Spain to Category:461 in the Roman Empire and Category:5th century in Spain


 * Nominator's rationale: merge to century categories per country per WP:SMALLCAT, nearly all these categories have only one article without a reasonable chance of expansion. Note 1: this nomination only concerns countries with few ancient year and decade categories (most articles are in century categories already). For example France, Egypt and China, which currently have more ancient year and decade categories, are yet to follow. Note 2: on the talk page there is a list of container categories that naturally become empty if this merge is accepted. Though they haven't been tagged, it would be helpful if they are deleted upon closing this discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:34, 1 June 2017 (UTC)


 * As you have participated in earlier discussions in the same field, feel free to comment on this new nomination too. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:50, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Upmerge all as WP:SMALLCAT. Neutralitytalk 22:04, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom, but rename "Iran" to "Persia". This needs to be part of a process of renaming all the years/decades/centuries before 1935 (see intro to Name of Iran) from "Iran" to "Persia", as has already been done in a similar situation for Siam/Thailand.  And since we already have "Roman Britain", the Spain categories should be "Roman Spain", or "Hispania", or "Ancient Spain", or something like that.  Nyttend (talk) 23:48, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Is it okay to leave the discussion about renaming to a fresh nomination? Because any of these suggestions would apply to the whole tree of these countries, not just to the oldest categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:46, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
 * The parents for those categories are already at Category:Persian history and Category:Hispania; it's actually not a matter of revolutionising the whole tree. Nyttend (talk) 10:34, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
 * The concern was rather with respect to the "whole" tree of Category:Centuries in Iran. Anyway it would require the nomination of the target categories, so that is beyond the scope of this nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:31, 3 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Upmerge per nom and overally trivial categories resulting in WP:SMALLCAT, no comment yet on the issue Nyttend brought up regarding Persia vs Iran and other such names, I'll have to look more indebth into it. Inter&#38;anthro (talk) 02:10, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Support Nyttend. Persia may be a Latinised Greek name for the place, but that will be how it entered English.  I note the language is Farsi, not Irani.  I do not think we should allow a modern name for a modern country to dictate how WP names things.  Categories were I think moved from Myanmar back to Burma some years ago.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:24, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Upmerge per nom. The Nyttend amendment (a separate issue) will have to await a further cfd as the targets are not tagged. Oculi (talk) 08:17, 9 June 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Cannes Film Festival juries

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 04:32, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting cannes film festival juries


 * Nominator's rationale: There are no articles about Cannes juries to populate this category. No Jury of the 1992 Cannes Film Festival, Jury of the 2017 Cannes Film Festival, 2002 Cannes Film Festival jury, 1988 Cannes Film Festival jury. So far, the only three entries were jurors once, a feat shared by dozens upon dozens of people more notable for, and better defined by, other things- Martin Scorsese, Jamie Lee Curtis, Quentin Tarantino, and even Will Smith. Ribbet32 (talk) 03:48, 1 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete Per nom. And would create category clutter for a non-defining attribute.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 07:04, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete. Serving on a jury at Cannes is not a WP:DEFINING characteristic — it isn't the thing that makes a person notable enough for a Wikipedia article in and of itself, but is an invitation extended to people who were already notable for some other reason (e.g. a film director, an actor, a prominent film critic or historian, an organizer of another film festival, etc.) So each year's festival should certainly list that year's jury members, but there's no strong basis for a category to put everybody who's ever been a Cannes juror together as a group. Bearcat (talk) 16:15, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete. No individual juror is a jury.  See WP:SETCAT; this is a set category for these juries, not a topic category of everything related to these juries.  Nyttend (talk) 23:50, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete - per above. Neutralitytalk 16:40, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete - being a juror is not considered special and not a defining or overly notable accomplishment. If any editor wants to include in the individual articles that the subject was a juror at this film festival that's fine but as a category I think it is inappropriate. Inter&#38;anthro (talk) 02:13, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
 * DElete essentially a WP:PERFormance cat, which are even worse than awards ones. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:37, 4 June 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Android Pay devices

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename.  ℯ  xplicit  02:11, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting android pay devices


 * Nominator's rationale: The category seems unnecessary. If an Android phone or smartwatch came out in the last few years and has an NFC chip, it works with Android Pay. Daylen (talk) 03:06, 1 June 2017 (UTC)


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