Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 June 17



Category:Chaudhry Abdul Rehman Khan

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 * The result of the discussion was: already speedily deleted WP:G6 by . – Fayenatic  L ondon 16:07, 18 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Convert Category:Chaudhry Abdul Rehman Khan to article Chaudhry Abdul Rehman Khan
 * Nominator's rationale: Article was improperly moved to category space without discussion or credible explanation. Need admin to move it back to article space, and preferable move-protect it pending any proper naming discussion. Dl2000 (talk) 22:47, 17 June 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Ex-ex-gay people

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 * The result of the discussion was: relisted, see here. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:13, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting ex-ex-gay people


 * Nominator's rationale: This has been tagged for possible inappropriate labelling of people since 2010 and indeed doesn't look useful or defining. Brandmeistertalk  12:29, 17 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment While we have categories such as Category:People self-identified as ex-gay I would lean towards keeping this category, especially given it has a related article. AusLondonder (talk) 07:38, 18 June 2017 (UTC)


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Ancient year and decade categories in China, Italy and the Roman Republic

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge per Option B. – Fayenatic  L ondon 10:43, 1 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Option A: merge to year categories "in Asia" and "in Europe" 
 * Propose merging Category:512 BC in China to Category:512 BC in Asia and Category:6th century BC in China
 * Propose merging Category:375 BC in China to Category:375 BC in Asia and Category:4th century BC in China
 * Propose merging Category:349 BC in China to Category:349 BC in Asia and Category:4th century BC in China


 * Propose merging Category:334 BC in China to Category:334 BC in Asia and Category:4th century BC in China
 * Propose merging Category:227 BC in China to Category:227 BC in Asia and Category:3rd century BC in China
 * Propose merging Category:222 BC in China to Category:222 BC in Asia and Category:3rd century BC in China
 * Propose merging Category:256 BC in China to Category:256 BC in Asia and Category:3rd century BC in China
 * Propose merging Category:9 in China to Category:9 in Asia and Category:1st century in China
 * Propose merging Category:23 in China to Category:23 in Asia and Category:1st century in China
 * Propose merging Category:73 in China to Category:73 in Asia and Category:1st century in China
 * Propose merging Category:89 in China to Category:89 in Asia and Category:1st century in China
 * Propose merging Category:166 in China to Category:166 in Asia and Category:2nd century in China
 * Propose merging Category:169 in China to Category:169 in Asia and Category:2nd century in China
 * Propose merging Category:172 in China to Category:172 in Asia and Category:2nd century in China
 * Propose merging Category:184 in China to Category:184 in Asia and Category:2nd century in China
 * Propose merging Category:190 in China to Category:190 in Asia and Category:2nd century in China
 * Propose merging Category:191 in China to Category:191 in Asia and Category:2nd century in China
 * Propose merging Category:193 in China to Category:193 in Asia and Category:2nd century in China
 * Propose merging Category:194 in China to Category:194 in Asia and Category:2nd century in China
 * Propose merging Category:195 in China to Category:195 in Asia and Category:2nd century in China
 * Propose merging Category:197 in China to Category:197 in Asia and Category:2nd century in China
 * Propose merging Category:198 in China to Category:198 in Asia and Category:2nd century in China
 * Propose merging Category:199 in China to Category:199 in Asia and Category:2nd century in China
 * Propose merging Category:200 in China to Category:200 in Asia and Category:2nd century in China
 * Propose merging Category:201 in China to Category:201 in Asia
 * Propose merging Category:202 in China to Category:202 in Asia
 * Propose merging Category:203 in China to Category:203 in Asia
 * Propose merging Category:204 in China to Category:204 in Asia
 * Propose merging Category:205 in China to Category:205 in Asia
 * Propose merging Category:207 in China to Category:207 in Asia
 * Propose merging Category:208 in China to Category:208 in Asia
 * Propose merging Category:211 in China to Category:211 in Asia
 * Propose merging Category:213 in China to Category:213 in Asia
 * Propose merging Category:214 in China to Category:214 in Asia
 * Propose merging Category:215 in China to Category:215 in Asia
 * Propose merging Category:217 in China to Category:217 in Asia
 * Propose merging Category:219 in China to Category:219 in Asia
 * Propose merging Category:221 in China to Category:221 in Asia
 * Propose merging Category:222 in China to Category:222 in Asia
 * Propose merging Category:223 in China to Category:223 in Asia
 * Propose merging Category:224 in China to Category:224 in Asia
 * Propose merging Category:225 in China to Category:225 in Asia
 * Propose merging Category:227 in China to Category:227 in Asia
 * Propose merging Category:228 in China to Category:228 in Asia
 * Propose merging Category:229 in China to Category:229 in Asia
 * Propose merging Category:231 in China to Category:231 in Asia
 * Propose merging Category:233 in China to Category:233 in Asia
 * Propose merging Category:234 in China to Category:234 in Asia
 * Propose merging Category:238 in China to Category:238 in Asia
 * Propose merging Category:244 in China to Category:244 in Asia
 * Propose merging Category:245 in China to Category:245 in Asia
 * Propose merging Category:249 in China to Category:249 in Asia
 * Propose merging Category:252 in China to Category:252 in Asia
 * Propose merging Category:253 in China to Category:253 in Asia
 * Propose merging Category:260 in China to Category:260 in Asia
 * Propose merging Category:263 in China to Category:263 in Asia
 * Propose merging Category:264 in China to Category:231 in Asia
 * Propose merging Category:265 establishments in China to Category:265 establishments in Asia and Category:3rd-century establishments in China
 * Propose merging Category:279 in China to Category:279 in Asia
 * Propose merging Category:280 in China to Category:280 in Asia
 * Propose merging Category:291 in China to Category:291 in Asia and Category:3rd century in China
 * Propose merging Category:304 establishments in China to Category:304 establishments in Asia and Category:4th-century establishments in China
 * Propose merging Category:306 in China to Category:306 in Asia and Category:4th century in China
 * Propose merging Category:320 establishments in China to Category:320 establishments in Asia and Category:4th-century establishments in China
 * Propose merging Category:329 disestablishments in China to Category:329 disestablishments in Asia and Category:4th-century disestablishments in China
 * Propose merging Category:347 disestablishments in China to Category:347 disestablishments in Asia and Category:4th-century disestablishments in China
 * Propose merging Category:376 disestablishments in China to Category:376 disestablishments in Asia and Category:4th-century disestablishments in China
 * Propose merging Category:420 establishments in China to Category:420 establishments in Asia and Category:5th-century establishments in China
 * Propose merging Category:420 disestablishments in China to Category:420 disestablishments in Asia and Category:5th-century disestablishments in China
 * Propose merging Category:479 establishments in China to Category:479 establishments in Asia and Category:5th-century establishments in China
 * Propose merging Category:479 disestablishments in China to Category:479 disestablishments in Asia and Category:5th-century disestablishments in China
 * Propose merging Category:130s BC in China to Category:130s BC in Asia and Category:2nd century BC in China
 * Propose merging Category:10s in China to Category:10s in Asia and Category:1st century in China
 * Propose merging Category:20s in China to Category:20s in Asia and Category:1st century in China
 * Propose merging Category:180s in China to Category:180s in Asia and Category:2nd century in China
 * Propose merging Category:190s in China to Category:190s in Asia and Category:2nd century in China
 * Propose merging Category:200s in China to Category:200s in Asia
 * Propose merging Category:210s in China to Category:210s in Asia
 * Propose merging Category:220s in China to Category:220s in Asia
 * Propose merging Category:230s in China to Category:230s in Asia
 * Propose merging Category:240s in China to Category:240s in Asia
 * Propose merging Category:250s in China to Category:250s in Asia
 * Propose merging Category:260s in China to Category:260s in Asia
 * Propose merging Category:270s in China to Category:270s in Asia
 * Propose merging Category:280s in China to Category:280s in Asia and Category:3rd century in China
 * Propose merging Category:290s in China to Category:290s in Asia and Category:3rd century in China
 * Propose merging Category:300s in China to Category:300s in Asia and Category:4th century in China
 * Propose merging Category:33 BC in Italy to Category:33 BC in Europe and Category:1st century BC in Italy
 * Propose merging Category:30s BC in Italy to Category:30s BC in Europe and Category:1st century BC in Italy
 * Propose merging Category:27 BC in Italy to Category:27 BC in Europe though not to Category:1st century BC in Italy
 * Propose merging Category:40s establishments in Italy to Category:40s establishments in the Roman Empire and Category:1st-century establishments in Italy
 * Propose merging Category:50s establishments in Italy to Category:50s establishments in the Roman Empire and Category:1st-century establishments in Italy
 * Propose merging Category:62 in Italy to Category:62 in the Roman Empire and Category:1st century in Italy
 * Propose merging Category:64 in Italy to Category:64 in the Roman Empire and Category:1st century in Italy
 * Propose merging Category:70s disestablishments in Italy to Category:70s disestablishments in the Roman Empire and Category:1st-century disestablishments in Italy
 * Propose merging Category:79 in Italy to Category:79 in the Roman Empire and Category:1st century in Italy
 * Propose merging Category:80s establishments in Italy to Category:80s establishments in the Roman Empire and Category:1st-century establishments in Italy
 * Propose merging Category:80 in Italy to Category:80 in the Roman Empire and Category:1st century in Italy
 * Propose merging Category:86 in Italy to Category:86 in the Roman Empire and Category:1st century in Italy
 * Propose merging Category:89 in Italy to Category:89 in Europe, Category:80s in the Roman Empire and Category:1st century in Italy
 * Propose merging Category:90s establishments in Italy to Category:90s establishments in the Roman Empire and Category:1st-century establishments in Italy
 * Propose merging Category:90 in Italy to Category:90 in Europe, Category:90s in the Roman Empire and Category:1st century in Italy
 * Propose merging Category:109 establishments in Italy to Category:109 establishments in the Roman Empire and Category:2nd-century establishments in Italy
 * Propose merging Category:235 in Italy to Category:235 in the Roman Empire and Category:3rd century in Italy
 * Propose merging Category:238 in Italy to Category:238 in the Roman Empire and Category:3rd century in Italy
 * Propose merging Category:312 in Italy to Category:312 in the Roman Empire and Category:4th century in Italy
 * Propose merging Category:345 in Italy to Category:345 in the Roman Empire and Category:4th century in Italy
 * Propose merging Category:355 in Italy to Category:355 in the Roman Empire and Category:4th century in Italy
 * Propose merging Category:359 in Italy to Category:359 in the Roman Empire and Category:4th century in Italy
 * Propose merging Category:381 in Italy to Category:381 in the Roman Empire and Category:4th century in Italy
 * Propose merging Category:382 in Italy to Category:382 in the Roman Empire and Category:4th century in Italy
 * Propose merging Category:389 in Italy to Category:389 in the Roman Empire and Category:4th century in Italy
 * Propose merging Category:420s establishments in Italy to Category:420s establishments in Europe and Category:5th-century establishments in Italy
 * Propose merging Category:451 in Italy to Category:451 in the Roman Empire and Category:5th century in Italy
 * Propose merging Category:70s BC in the Roman Republic to Category:70s BC in Europe and Category:1st century BC in the Roman Republic
 * Propose merging Category:50s BC in the Roman Republic to Category:50s BC in Europe and Category:1st century BC in the Roman Republic
 * Propose merging Category:40s BC in the Roman Republic to Category:40s BC in Europe and Category:1st century BC in the Roman Republic


 * Option B: merge to global instead of continental year categories
 * Propose merging Category:512 BC in China to Category:512 BC and Category:6th century BC in China
 * Propose merging Category:375 BC in China to Category:375 BC and Category:4th century BC in China
 * Propose merging Category:349 BC in China to Category:349 BC and Category:4th century BC in China


 * Propose merging Category:334 BC in China to Category:334 BC and Category:4th century BC in China
 * Propose merging Category:227 BC in China to Category:227 BC and Category:3rd century BC in China
 * Propose merging Category:222 BC in China to Category:222 BC and Category:3rd century BC in China
 * Propose merging Category:256 BC in China to Category:256 BC and Category:3rd century BC in China
 * Propose merging Category:9 in China to Category:AD 9 and Category:1st century in China
 * Propose merging Category:23 in China to Category:23 and Category:1st century in China
 * Propose merging Category:73 in China to Category:73 and Category:1st century in China
 * Propose merging Category:89 in China to Category:89 and Category:1st century in China
 * Propose merging Category:166 in China to Category:166 and Category:2nd century in China
 * Propose merging Category:169 in China to Category:169 and Category:2nd century in China
 * Propose merging Category:172 in China to Category:172 and Category:2nd century in China
 * Propose merging Category:184 in China to Category:184 and Category:2nd century in China
 * Propose merging Category:190 in China to Category:190 and Category:2nd century in China
 * Propose merging Category:191 in China to Category:191 and Category:2nd century in China
 * Propose merging Category:193 in China to Category:193 and Category:2nd century in China
 * Propose merging Category:194 in China to Category:194 and Category:2nd century in China
 * Propose merging Category:195 in China to Category:195 and Category:2nd century in China
 * Propose merging Category:197 in China to Category:197 and Category:2nd century in China
 * Propose merging Category:198 in China to Category:198 and Category:2nd century in China
 * Propose merging Category:199 in China to Category:199 and Category:2nd century in China
 * Propose merging Category:200 in China to Category:200 and Category:2nd century in China
 * Propose merging Category:201 in China to Category:201
 * Propose merging Category:202 in China to Category:202
 * Propose merging Category:203 in China to Category:203
 * Propose merging Category:204 in China to Category:204
 * Propose merging Category:205 in China to Category:205
 * Propose merging Category:207 in China to Category:207
 * Propose merging Category:208 in China to Category:208
 * Propose merging Category:211 in China to Category:211
 * Propose merging Category:213 in China to Category:213
 * Propose merging Category:214 in China to Category:214
 * Propose merging Category:215 in China to Category:215
 * Propose merging Category:217 in China to Category:217
 * Propose merging Category:219 in China to Category:219
 * Propose merging Category:221 in China to Category:221
 * Propose merging Category:222 in China to Category:222
 * Propose merging Category:223 in China to Category:223
 * Propose merging Category:224 in China to Category:224
 * Propose merging Category:225 in China to Category:225
 * Propose merging Category:227 in China to Category:227
 * Propose merging Category:228 in China to Category:228
 * Propose merging Category:229 in China to Category:229
 * Propose merging Category:231 in China to Category:231
 * Propose merging Category:233 in China to Category:233
 * Propose merging Category:234 in China to Category:234
 * Propose merging Category:238 in China to Category:238
 * Propose merging Category:244 in China to Category:244
 * Propose merging Category:245 in China to Category:245
 * Propose merging Category:249 in China to Category:249
 * Propose merging Category:252 in China to Category:252
 * Propose merging Category:253 in China to Category:253
 * Propose merging Category:260 in China to Category:260
 * Propose merging Category:263 in China to Category:263
 * Propose merging Category:264 in China to Category:231
 * Propose merging Category:265 establishments in China to Category:265 establishments and Category:3rd-century establishments in China
 * Propose merging Category:279 in China to Category:279
 * Propose merging Category:280 in China to Category:280
 * Propose merging Category:291 in China to Category:291 and Category:3rd century in China
 * Propose merging Category:304 establishments in China to Category:304 establishments and Category:4th-century establishments in China
 * Propose merging Category:306 in China to Category:306 and Category:4th century in China
 * Propose merging Category:320 establishments in China to Category:320 establishments and Category:4th-century establishments in China
 * Propose merging Category:329 disestablishments in China to Category:329 disestablishments and Category:4th-century disestablishments in China
 * Propose merging Category:347 disestablishments in China to Category:347 disestablishments and Category:4th-century disestablishments in China
 * Propose merging Category:376 disestablishments in China to Category:376 disestablishments and Category:4th-century disestablishments in China
 * Propose merging Category:420 establishments in China to Category:420 establishments and Category:5th-century establishments in China
 * Propose merging Category:420 disestablishments in China to Category:420 disestablishments and Category:5th-century disestablishments in China
 * Propose merging Category:479 establishments in China to Category:479 establishments and Category:5th-century establishments in China
 * Propose merging Category:479 disestablishments in China to Category:479 disestablishments and Category:5th-century disestablishments in China
 * Propose merging Category:130s BC in China to Category:130s BC and Category:2nd century BC in China
 * Propose merging Category:10s in China to Category:10s and Category:1st century in China
 * Propose merging Category:20s in China to Category:20s and Category:1st century in China
 * Propose merging Category:180s in China to Category:180s and Category:2nd century in China
 * Propose merging Category:190s in China to Category:190s and Category:2nd century in China
 * Propose merging Category:200s in China to Category:200s
 * Propose merging Category:210s in China to Category:210s
 * Propose merging Category:220s in China to Category:220s
 * Propose merging Category:230s in China to Category:230s
 * Propose merging Category:240s in China to Category:240s
 * Propose merging Category:250s in China to Category:250s
 * Propose merging Category:260s in China to Category:260s
 * Propose merging Category:270s in China to Category:270s
 * Propose merging Category:280s in China to Category:280s and Category:3rd century in China
 * Propose merging Category:290s in China to Category:290s and Category:3rd century in China
 * Propose merging Category:300s in China to Category:300s and Category:4th century in China
 * Propose merging Category:33 BC in Italy to Category:33 BC and Category:1st century BC in Italy
 * Propose merging Category:30s BC in Italy to Category:30s BC and Category:1st century BC in Italy
 * Propose merging Category:27 BC in Italy to Category:27 BCthough not to Category:1st century BC in Italy
 * Propose merging Category:40s establishments in Italy to Category:40s establishments in the Roman Empire and Category:1st-century establishments in Italy
 * Propose merging Category:50s establishments in Italy to Category:50s establishments in the Roman Empire and Category:1st-century establishments in Italy
 * Propose merging Category:62 in Italy to Category:62 in the Roman Empire and Category:1st century in Italy
 * Propose merging Category:64 in Italy to Category:64 in the Roman Empire and Category:1st century in Italy
 * Propose merging Category:70s disestablishments in Italy to Category:70s disestablishments in the Roman Empire and Category:1st-century disestablishments in Italy
 * Propose merging Category:79 in Italy to Category:79 in the Roman Empire and Category:1st century in Italy
 * Propose merging Category:80s establishments in Italy to Category:80s establishments in the Roman Empire and Category:1st-century establishments in Italy
 * Propose merging Category:80 in Italy to Category:80 in the Roman Empire and Category:1st century in Italy
 * Propose merging Category:86 in Italy to Category:86 in the Roman Empire and Category:1st century in Italy
 * Propose merging Category:89 in Italy to Category:89, Category:80s in the Roman Empire and Category:1st century in Italy
 * Propose merging Category:90s establishments in Italy to Category:90s establishments in the Roman Empire and Category:1st-century establishments in Italy
 * Propose merging Category:90 in Italy to Category:90, Category:90s in the Roman Empire and Category:1st century in Italy
 * Propose merging Category:109 establishments in Italy to Category:109 establishments in the Roman Empire and Category:2nd-century establishments in Italy
 * Propose merging Category:235 in Italy to Category:235 in the Roman Empire and Category:3rd century in Italy
 * Propose merging Category:238 in Italy to Category:238 in the Roman Empire and Category:3rd century in Italy
 * Propose merging Category:312 in Italy to Category:312 in the Roman Empire and Category:4th century in Italy
 * Propose merging Category:345 in Italy to Category:345 in the Roman Empire and Category:4th century in Italy
 * Propose merging Category:355 in Italy to Category:355 in the Roman Empire and Category:4th century in Italy
 * Propose merging Category:359 in Italy to Category:359 in the Roman Empire and Category:4th century in Italy
 * Propose merging Category:381 in Italy to Category:381 in the Roman Empire and Category:4th century in Italy
 * Propose merging Category:382 in Italy to Category:382 in the Roman Empire and Category:4th century in Italy
 * Propose merging Category:389 in Italy to Category:389 in the Roman Empire and Category:4th century in Italy
 * Propose merging Category:420s establishments in Italy to Category:420s establishments and Category:5th-century establishments in Italy
 * Propose merging Category:451 in Italy to Category:451 in the Roman Empire and Category:5th century in Italy
 * Propose merging Category:70s BC in the Roman Republic to Category:70s BC and Category:1st century BC in the Roman Republic
 * Propose merging Category:50s BC in the Roman Republic to Category:50s BC and Category:1st century BC in the Roman Republic
 * Propose merging Category:40s BC in the Roman Republic to Category:40s BC and Category:1st century BC in the Roman Republic


 * Nominator's rationale: merge to century categories per country (in both option A and B) per WP:SMALLCAT, nearly all these categories have only one article without a reasonable chance of expansion.
 * Note 1: this is a continuation of the previous nomination of June 9. In the previous discussion there was some support for an option skipping the continent category layer, so this has been added in this discussion as option B right from the start.
 * Note 2: on the talk page there is a list of container categories that naturally become empty if this merge is accepted. Though they haven't been tagged, it would be helpful if the closing admin deletes them too upon closing this discussion.
 * Note 3: all articles of years and decades in 201-280 in China are already in the tree of Category:Three Kingdoms which is a subcat of Category:3rd century in China so they don't need a double merge.
 * Pinging editors who participated in earlier discussions feel free to comment on this new nomination too. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:50, 17 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Option B - global system. Neutralitytalk 17:36, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
 * A There's enough content in Asia to warrant the category. Laurel Lodged (talk) 07:54, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Option B -- These are remote periods where we have no history at all for many countries. China is a big enough place not to be merged into Asia, which is a somewhat amorphous concept: we know something of China, India, the Persian Empire, etc, merging to Asia loses specificity.  I cannot quite see what I am supposed to be choosing between on the Italian categories, which I would have preferred to see as a separate nom.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:29, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Option B - Segregating by continent implies a parent "by continent" category that is a WP:SMALLCAT by definition, and we don't really gain much by the segregation. A global 512BC category is fine.Le Deluge (talk) 14:57, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment, the earlier similar nomination has been relisted here. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:51, 30 June 2017 (UTC)


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Ancient and medieval Macedonia

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge all. – Fayenatic  L ondon 11:21, 1 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:Ancient-era Republic of Macedonia with Category:Ancient Macedonia (region) to Category:Ancient Macedonia
 * Propose merging Category:Roman-era Republic of Macedonia to Category:Roman Macedonia ( and add Category:Roman history of modern countries and territories as a parent to the latter )
 * Propose merging Category:Medieval Republic of Macedonia to Category:Medieval Macedonia
 * Nominator's rationale: merge because
 * it's odd to have a modern country category and a historical region category next to each other while they both have the same name and a substantial geographical overlap
 * we'd better remove the "(region)" disambiguator, thus keeping it deliberately vague whether we mean the historical region or the area of the current republic. This way the current republic can keep its category tree like other countries.
 * This is a new nomination based on this earlier discussion; pinging the participants of the earlier discussion . Marcocapelle (talk) 07:24, 17 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Oppose due to the rationale being surprisingly ill-informed. In principle, I find the "Ancient-era modern country X" categories silly and redundant, but apparently they are a thing in Wikipedia, and one should not mix things from different eras that mean different things just for simplicity's sake. I would support simplifying to "Ancient Macedonia", for instance, but not for the reasons stated, and not through a merge as proposed: the actual area covered by ancient Macedonia before its imperial phase does not really exhibit "substantial geographical overlap" with the modern Republic, which has more to do with Paeonia. Likewise, "Roman Macedonia", at its largest extent, covered most of modern Albania, large parts of Greece and parts of Bulgaria as well, and at its smallest extent, the province of Macedonia Prima corresponded roughly to Greek Macedonia, and Macedonia Secunda to the southern three quarters of the modern Republic of Macedonia. Frankly, the "X-era modern country Y" categories are rather ill-informed; Scupi (modern Skopje) for instance was never in Roman Macedonia, but in Moesia Superior and then Dardania, so definitely not "Ancient Roman Macedonia history in the present day Republic of Macedonia." as written in the category. Constantine  ✍  08:12, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Just generally, borders of countries unavoidably move in the course of centuries. For example France was much smaller in the high middle ages than it is now. Yet for no other country we make category distinctions like we now have for Macedonia. Second, to my best understanding, the current Republic of Macedonia belonged to the ancient kingdom of Macedonia since Philip II (i.e. for the larger part that we have sources and articles about the ancient kingdom); and it belonged largely to Macedonia Salutaris in the Roman period. If that understanding is correct then there is not much wrong with the proposal. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:55, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Comparing France with this is apples and oranges. France has a continuous political history since Merovingian times. Names and a general geographical location aside, there is nothing in common between Philip's kingdom and the modern Republic. That is the whole crux of the dispute between Greece and the RoM, after all: the (inadvertent for the general public, but very deliberate on the part of the RoM) equation of "modern" Macedonia with ancient Macedonia (which, ipso facto, also implies a claim on Greek Macedonia) by sole virtue of the name. From what I can see here, Greece is right to be worried. Please read the rather comprehensive articles we have on the subject, they are quite informative. Constantine  ✍  10:03, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Names and a general geographical location aside? This is a category tree about name and geographical location in that particular combination. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:09, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
 * No, it is two category trees, one about a modern political entity on the one hand, and one on a geographical location and a series of historical entities on the other, with both sharing a name. To clarify, I am not opposed to getting rid of the "X-period of Y" in principle, but I am opposed to merging them while "keeping it deliberately vague whether we mean the historical region or the area of the current republic". You want to merge the content of "Ancient-era Republic of Macedonia" into "Ancient Macedonia"? Fine by me. But then do it consistently, with the target category being about "Ancient Macedonia", not the "ancient era of the RoM". Therefore a) also merge Category:Ancient-era Macedonia (Greece) into it, and b) do not retain the parent categories that imply a relation with the modern Republic (History of the Republic of Macedonia by period, Ancient history of the Balkans by country, Ancient history by country). The same for the other ones too (e.g. merge Category:Medieval Blagoevgrad Province‎ and Category:Medieval Macedonia (Greece)‎ as well). By going only after the RoM categories, you inadvertently promote a very specific agenda. Constantine  ✍  09:33, 18 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Question Do we currently have comparable categories for the surrounding countries? For example, I suppose Tirana was Macedonian of old, but of course it's not in the nominated categories.  If we had detailed articles on its history (unfortunately we don't; even History of Tirana is a redirect to Tirana), would the ancient ones go in an Albanian tree or a Macedonian tree?  I can see the benefits of categorising the ancient Macedonian articles together, regardless of the country in which they're located (one tree for "ancient by country of current location" and another for "ancient by country of ancient location"), but maybe that would be extraneous.  Nyttend (talk) 10:37, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
 * For the category structure see Category:Ancient history of the Balkans by country. History of Tirana in the Kingdom of Macedonia would probably go into Category:Ancient Albania and Category:Macedonia (ancient kingdom). But as you note, there is not too much content to be expected at such a detail level. Most ancient articles concern the Kingdom of Macedonia and Roman Macedonia respectively just in general, without narrowing down at local level, which confirms that we do not need duplicate categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:06, 17 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Merge all Things like "Roman-era Republic of Macedonia" are technically and encyclopedically inaccurate, as back then Macedonia was not officially a republic (to my knowledge), it's like "Roman-era Republic of Italy". The suggested names are also succinct. Brandmeistertalk  12:38, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Merge as proposed The current names point to ahistorical entities. It's a retro land grab by a people that did not even exist at that time. Laurel Lodged (talk) 07:56, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment -- We cannot keep the present highly anachronistic categories. This difficulty in this area of Europe is that Roman-era and modern boundaries are completely different.  We might possibly keep the present categories (or something like them) as dab-cats e.g. Category:Ancient-era in Republic of Macedonia and Category:Roman-era in Republic of Macedonia, but see should refer the reader to the category for the historic polity(ies) e.g. Paeonia (kingdom).  I am insufficiently familiar with the political georgraphy to know what the correct targets are.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:17, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Merge as proposed - i see no sense in this earlier discussion, which created this nonsense.GreyShark (dibra) 06:14, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Agree that the decision at the last proposal was bad. A clear consensus had emerged around the alternative. Laurel Lodged (talk) 10:18, 20 June 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Prostituted children

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 * The result of the discussion was: speedy merge C2D, reverting out-of-process move. – Fayenatic  L ondon 22:48, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Prostituted children to Category:Child prostitution
 * Nominator's rationale: I was asked this in my user talk page: (Anthony Appleyard (talk) 04:38, 17 June 2017 (UTC))

Hi, Anthony Appleyard. What should I do about this? I was about to list it at WP:Requested moves, but, while previewing my post, I got a message that the page is not for category moves. I was pointed to Categories for discussion. Either way, I think that the move should be reverted because it was undiscussed and I don't believe that the rationale provided by Doseiai2 is valid. I tried to revert the move myself, but something is preventing it. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 03:26, 17 June 2017 (UTC) Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 03:29, 17 June 2017 (UTC)}}

where the pointer "this" points to this category page move. (The majority of this category's members seem to be not names of people but events and groups related to prostitution.) Doseiai2's move edit comment for the category page move is "Doseiai2 moved page Category:Child prostitution to Category:Prostituted children: fixed language that victimizes". Anthony Appleyard (talk) 04:45, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Merge, the category hardly contains any biographies of children or youth who were prostituted. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:53, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Merge -- much the same thing. (Well done, Anthony - you got to the right place).  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:19, 18 June 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Article namespace templates

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus.  ℯ  xplicit  00:42, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting article namespace templates


 * Nominator's rationale: Category contains only one page, and it is a subcategory. &mdash; Mr. Guye (talk) (contribs) 22:03, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep. It's one of a set of similar categories (see Category:Wikipedia templates by namespace). (category creator) DexDor(talk) 19:27, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Merge to Category:Wikipedia templates by namespace, then possibly rename Category:Article message templates to Category:Article namespace templates. The extra category layer is redundant but the content should be kept in the tree. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:43, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ℯ  xplicit  01:18, 17 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Merge per Marcocapelle; these two have the same scope. Nyttend (talk) 10:32, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Admin note: The other Wikipedias with both are pt, ro, sco, sd and uk. See https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q9858997 and https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q7069424. – Fayenatic  L ondon 11:34, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose per DexDor. The sub-cat Category:Article message templates only contains message templates, but there are other types that are (primarily or exclusively) used on articles, e.g. Category:Inline templates, Category:Cleanup templates and most of Category:Graphics templates. Let's populate it better rather than delete it. – Fayenatic  L ondon 11:42, 1 July 2017 (UTC)


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