Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 June 30



Category:Companies spun off from Nortel

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Corporate spin-offs (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 07:45, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting companies spun off from nortel


 * Nominator's rationale: Single-entry WP:SMALLCAT. This would be fine if there were five or six things to file here, but it's not needed for just one. Bearcat (talk) 22:32, 30 June 2017 (UTC)


 * If there is indeed only one Nortel spin-off company that has a currently existing Wikipedia article, then Delete. Softlavender (talk) 04:47, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Merge to the parent Category:Corporate spin-offs, as this is apparently WP:DEFINING enough to be mentioned in the lead section. – Fayenatic  L ondon 20:11, 2 July 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Headmasters of The Hill School

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:The Hill School faculty and Category:School principals and headteachers (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 07:55, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting headmasters of the hill school


 * Nominator's rationale: Only 2 links, unnecessary, pretentious. Peapod21 (talk) 22:23, 30 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Comments – why is it pretentious? There is Category:School principals and headteachers. In any case it should be an upmerge to Category:The Hill School faculty, not a delete. Oculi (talk) 22:48, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment -- The faculty category is unexpectedly well populated for a secondary school. This makes me wonder if there may be more notable heads to populate this with.  Certainly, merge rather than delete - upmerge to faulty and to Category:School principals and headteachers.  Peterkingiron (talk) 00:14, 4 July 2017 (UTC)


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Roman Egypt

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. – Fayenatic  L ondon 18:48, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:1st century in Egypt to Category:1st century in Roman Egypt
 * Propose merging Category:2nd century in Egypt to Category:2nd century in Roman Egypt
 * Propose merging Category:3rd century in Egypt to Category:3rd century in Roman Egypt
 * Propose merging Category:4th century in Egypt to Category:4th century in Roman Egypt
 * Propose merging Category:5th century in Egypt to Category:5th century in Roman Egypt
 * Propose merging Category:6th century in Egypt to Category:6th century in Roman Egypt
 * Propose merging Category:1st-century establishments in Egypt to Category:1st-century establishments in Roman Egypt
 * Propose merging Category:2nd-century establishments in Egypt to Category:2nd-century establishments in Roman Egypt
 * Propose merging Category:3rd-century establishments in Egypt to Category:3rd-century establishments in Roman Egypt
 * Propose merging Category:4th-century establishments in Egypt to Category:4th-century establishments in Roman Egypt
 * Nominator's rationale: merge as follow-up on this earlier discussion where a reverse merge was nominated. Assuming that nobody wants to keep the Egypt and Roman Egypt categories in parallel for these centuries, and since the previous nomination was opposed, this new nomination should normally be endorsed. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:08, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Pinging earlier discussants . Marcocapelle (talk) 15:19, 30 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Reverse merge -- There is no essential difference between Hellenic (or Ptolemaic) Egypt, Roman Egypt and later Egypt. There was no non-Roman Egypt to require disambiguating. The core has been essentially intact for 5000 years, though the outer imperial boundaries have fluctuated between periods.  Peterkingiron (talk) 21:15, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Support per rationale of nom and the majority of those who participated in the previous discussion. It's now fairly well settled policy that we avoid ahistorical naming. Laurel Lodged (talk) 17:01, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Support per the reasons listed by Laurel Lodged. Dimadick (talk) 17:28, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Support - clearly reasonable. Maybe later we can also distinguish between Roman Egypt and Byzantine Egypt as well, since Christianized Coptic Byzantine Egypt was quite different than pagan Hellenic-Roman Egypt province.GreyShark (dibra) 13:01, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Probably a good idea. Laurel Lodged (talk) 09:19, 7 July 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Urban, rural, regional, real estate, and transportation economics

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete per WP:OVERLAPCAT and precedents for JEL code categories.
 * Propose deleting urban, rural, regional, real estate, and transportation economics


 * Nominator's rationale: delete, hodgepodge of unrelated topics. This category clearly illustraties how JEL classification codes use completely different categorization principles than Wikipedia. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:01, 30 June 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Pontifical Commissions & Category:Pontifical Councils

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. – Fayenatic  L ondon 14:14, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Pontifical Commissions to Category:Pontifical commissions
 * Propose renaming Category:Pontifical Councils to Category:Pontifical councils
 * Nominator's rationale: The terms pontifical commissions and pontifical councils are not proper nouns and should not be capitalized (in contrast to specific pontifical commissions and pontifical councils, e.g., Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity). This would bring the capitalization into line with the main article in each category. 142.160.131.202 (talk) 04:43, 30 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Support -- This matches where the main articles currently are. Peterkingiron (talk) 21:19, 30 June 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Law of the Jungle (TV series) participants

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic  L ondon 14:17, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting law of the jungle (tv series) participants


 * Nominator's rationale: Overcategorization of performers by performance. This groups people who have been guests on the variety program Law of the Jungle; it's a non-defining characteristic. There is a long-standing precedence against these types of categories: User:Good Olfactory/CFD. ℯ  xplicit  00:17, 30 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Note that this category has a whole lot of sibling categories that might be nominated as well. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:00, 8 July 2017 (UTC)


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Ancient year and decade categories in Egypt, France, Germany, India and the Maya civilization

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge according to Option B. Although the support for option B in this discussion is marginal, it makes sense to close this consistently with other recent CFD closures. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:41, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:525 BC in Egypt to Category:525 BC in Africa and Category:6th century BC in Egypt
 * Propose merging Category:398 BC in Egypt to Category:398 BC in Africa and Category:4th century BC in Egypt
 * Propose merging Category:380 BC in Egypt to Category:380 BC in Africa and Category:4th century BC in Egypt
 * Propose merging Category:343 BC in Egypt to Category:343 BC in Africa and Category:4th century BC in Egypt


 * Propose merging Category:305 BC in Egypt to Category:305 BC in Africa and Category:4th century BC in Egypt
 * Propose merging Category:300s BC in Egypt to Category:300s BC in Africa and Category:4th century BC in Egypt
 * Propose merging Category:30 BC in Egypt to Category:30 BC in Africa and Category:1st century BC in Egypt
 * Propose merging Category:122 establishments in Roman Egypt to Category:122 establishments in Africa, Category:120s establishments in the Roman Empire and Category:2nd-century establishments in Egypt
 * Propose merging Category:137 establishments in Egypt to Category:137 establishments in Africa, Category:130s establishments in the Roman Empire and Category:2nd-century establishments in Egypt
 * Propose merging Category:610s in Egypt to Category:610s in Africa and Category:7th century in Egypt
 * Propose merging Category:620s in Egypt to Category:620s in Africa and Category:7th century in Egypt
 * Propose merging Category:274 in France to Category:274 in Europe, Category:270s in the Roman Empire and Category:3rd century in France
 * Propose merging Category:298 in France to Category:298 in Europe, Category:290s in the Roman Empire and Category:3rd century in France
 * Propose merging Category:314 in France to Category:314 in Europe, Category:310s in the Roman Empire and Category:4th century in France
 * Propose merging Category:350 in France to Category:350 in Europe, Category:350s in the Roman Empire and Category:4th century in France
 * Propose merging Category:353 in France to Category:353 in Europe, Category:350s in the Roman Empire and Category:4th century in France
 * Propose merging Category:356 in France to Category:356 in Europe, Category:350s in the Roman Empire and Category:4th century in France
 * Propose merging Category:357 in France to Category:357 in Europe, Category:350s in the Roman Empire and Category:4th century in France
 * Propose merging Category:365 establishments in France to Category:365 establishments in Europe, Category:4th-century establishments in the Roman Empire and Category:4th-century establishments in France
 * Propose merging Category:378 in France to Category:378 in Europe, Category:370s in the Roman Empire and Category:4th century in France
 * Propose merging Category:394 in France to Category:394 in Europe, Category:390s in the Roman Empire and Category:4th century in France
 * Propose merging Category:435 in France to Category:435 in Europe, Category:430s in the Roman Empire and Category:5th century in France
 * Propose merging Category:436 in France to Category:436 in Europe, Category:430s in the Roman Empire and Category:5th century in France
 * Propose merging Category:441 in France to Category:441 in Europe, Category:440s in the Roman Empire and Category:5th century in France
 * Propose merging Category:442 in France to Category:442 in Europe, Category:440s in the Roman Empire and Category:5th century in France
 * Propose merging Category:443 in France to Category:443 in Europe, Category:440s in the Roman Empire and Category:5th century in France
 * Propose merging Category:445 establishments in France to Category:445 establishments in Europe and Category:5th-century establishments in France
 * Propose merging Category:451 in France to Category:451 in Europe, Category:450s in the Roman Empire and Category:5th century in France
 * Propose merging Category:452 in France to Category:452 in Europe, Category:450s in the Roman Empire and Category:5th century in France
 * Propose merging Category:458 in France to Category:458 in Europe, Category:450s in the Roman Empire and Category:5th century in France
 * Propose merging Category:461 in France to Category:461 in Europe, Category:460s in the Roman Empire and Category:5th century in France
 * Propose merging Category:463 in France to Category:463 in Europe, Category:460s in the Roman Empire and Category:5th century in France
 * Propose merging Category:469 in France to Category:469 in Europe. Category:460s in the Roman Empire and Category:5th century in France
 * Propose merging Category:475 in France to Category:475 in Europe, Category:470s in the Roman Empire and Category:5th century in France
 * Propose merging Category:487 establishments in France to Category:487 establishments in Europe and Category:5th-century establishments in France
 * Propose merging Category:10s BC establishments in Germany to Category:10s BC establishments in the Roman Empire and Category:1st-century BC establishments in Germany
 * Propose merging Category:345 in India to Category:345 in Asia and Category:4th century in India
 * Propose merging Category:345 establishments in India to Category:345 establishments in Asia and Category:4th-century establishments in India
 * Propose merging Category:375 disestablishments in India to Category:375 disestablishments in Asia and Category:4th-century disestablishments in India
 * Propose merging Category:426 establishments in the Maya civilization to Category:426 establishments in North America and Category:5th-century establishments in the Maya civilization


 * Nominator's rationale: merge to century categories per country per WP:SMALLCAT, nearly all these categories have only one article without a reasonable chance of expansion.
 * Note 1: on the talk page there is a list of container categories that naturally become empty if this merge is accepted. Though they haven't been tagged, it would be helpful if they are deleted upon closing this discussion.
 * Note 2: this is a continuation of the previous nomination of June 1. pinging same editors as before, as you have participated in earlier discussions in the same field, feel free to comment on this new nomination too. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:55, 9 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Upmerge per nom. Fragmentation of small categories such as Category:4th-century disestablishments in India is a bad idea. Oculi (talk) 08:22, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Support. However, we should consider putting the Egypt articles into Asia also; they're all related to the Ptolemaic Dynasty, which often controlled the southern parts of the Fertile Crescent.  In the same way, if there are earlier categories, a future nomination should be careful, since the power of the Egyptian empire under certain kings of the New Kingdom, e.g. Thutmose III, was projected well to the north in the Fertile Crescent, so such categories might also have Asian items.  Nyttend (talk) 11:20, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
 * There aren't any older year categories in Egypt than the ones nominated, afaics. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:16, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Skipping the continent category layer altogether (as discussed below) would immediately solve this Egyptian issue as well. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:15, 16 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Support per nom and well-established precedent - too many of these bitty categories.Le Deluge (talk) 21:51, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Support generally but I am not sure the continental categories are useful and would merge direct to the year category. The Maya have good dating, but I think this is unique in America.  Egypt has good dating, but that is probably unique in Africa.  This also avoids the objection as to the need for an Asian target.  Peterkingiron (talk) 11:56, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
 * It is indeed likely that won't even have enough content by continent by year to make a continent split. But let's first see how the country mergers turn out before turning to the next layer of categorization. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:29, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Personally I'm no great fan of continent categories, apart from eg (association) football, where continental confederations are the main unit of organisation. But continental categories imply a X by continent parent category, which even if you count 7 continents is pretty much a classic WP:SMALLCAT. Personally I'd nuke the continent layer before say 1500 and let the Egyptians and Maya mingle.Le Deluge (talk) 14:44, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Perhaps I've been too conservative in the nomination, as I don't have any specific objections against merging to global year categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:59, 15 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:525 BC in Egypt to Category:525 BC and Category:6th century BC in Egypt
 * Propose merging Category:398 BC in Egypt to Category:398 BC and Category:4th century BC in Egypt
 * Propose merging Category:380 BC in Egypt to Category:380 BC and Category:4th century BC in Egypt
 * Propose merging Category:343 BC in Egypt to Category:343 BC and Category:4th century BC in Egypt
 * Propose merging Category:305 BC in Egypt to Category:305 BC and Category:4th century BC in Egypt
 * Propose merging Category:300s BC in Egypt to Category:300s BC and Category:4th century BC in Egypt
 * Propose merging Category:30 BC in Egypt to Category:30 BC and Category:1st century BC in Egypt
 * Propose merging Category:122 establishments in Roman Egypt to Category:122 establishments, Category:120s establishments in the Roman Empire and Category:2nd-century establishments in Egypt
 * Propose merging Category:137 establishments in Egypt to Category:137 establishments, Category:130s establishments in the Roman Empire and Category:2nd-century establishments in Egypt
 * Propose merging Category:610s in Egypt to Category:610s and Category:7th century in Egypt
 * Propose merging Category:620s in Egypt to Category:620s and Category:7th century in Egypt
 * Propose merging Category:274 in France to Category:274, Category:270s in the Roman Empire and Category:3rd century in France
 * Propose merging Category:298 in France to Category:298, Category:290s in the Roman Empire and Category:3rd century in France
 * Propose merging Category:314 in France to Category:314, Category:310s in the Roman Empire and Category:4th century in France
 * Propose merging Category:350 in France to Category:350, Category:350s in the Roman Empire and Category:4th century in France
 * Propose merging Category:353 in France to Category:353, Category:350s in the Roman Empire and Category:4th century in France
 * Propose merging Category:356 in France to Category:356, Category:350s in the Roman Empire and Category:4th century in France
 * Propose merging Category:357 in France to Category:357, Category:350s in the Roman Empire and Category:4th century in France
 * Propose merging Category:365 establishments in France to Category:365 establishments, Category:4th-century establishments in the Roman Empire and Category:4th-century establishments in France
 * Propose merging Category:378 in France to Category:378, Category:370s in the Roman Empire and Category:4th century in France
 * Propose merging Category:394 in France to Category:394, Category:390s in the Roman Empire and Category:4th century in France
 * Propose merging Category:435 in France to Category:435, Category:430s in the Roman Empire and Category:5th century in France
 * Propose merging Category:436 in France to Category:436, Category:430s in the Roman Empire and Category:5th century in France
 * Propose merging Category:441 in France to Category:441, Category:440s in the Roman Empire and Category:5th century in France
 * Propose merging Category:442 in France to Category:442, Category:440s in the Roman Empire and Category:5th century in France
 * Propose merging Category:443 in France to Category:443, Category:440s in the Roman Empire and Category:5th century in France
 * Propose merging Category:445 establishments in France to Category:445 establishments and Category:5th-century establishments in France
 * Propose merging Category:451 in France to Category:451, Category:450s in the Roman Empire and Category:5th century in France
 * Propose merging Category:452 in France to Category:452, Category:450s in the Roman Empire and Category:5th century in France
 * Propose merging Category:458 in France to Category:458, Category:450s in the Roman Empire and Category:5th century in France
 * Propose merging Category:461 in France to Category:461, Category:460s in the Roman Empire and Category:5th century in France
 * Propose merging Category:463 in France to Category:463, Category:460s in the Roman Empire and Category:5th century in France
 * Propose merging Category:469 in France to Category:469. Category:460s in the Roman Empire and Category:5th century in France
 * Propose merging Category:475 in France to Category:475, Category:470s in the Roman Empire and Category:5th century in France
 * Propose merging Category:487 establishments in France to Category:487 establishments and Category:5th-century establishments in France
 * Propose merging Category:10s BC establishments in Germany to Category:10s BC establishments in the Roman Empire and Category:1st-century BC establishments in Germany
 * Propose merging Category:345 in India to Category:345 and Category:4th century in India
 * Propose merging Category:345 establishments in India to Category:345 establishments and Category:4th-century establishments in India
 * Propose merging Category:375 disestablishments in India to Category:375 disestablishments and Category:4th-century disestablishments in India
 * Propose merging Category:426 establishments in the Maya civilization to Category:426 establishments and Category:5th-century establishments in the Maya civilization

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: to give Option B a chance
 * For reference, see also this next discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:15, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Fayenatic  L ondon 23:20, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
 * As you've reacted here in an early stage, and haven't reacted yet in the follow-up discussion, could you please give your thoughts on option B? Marcocapelle (talk) 08:50, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Support all (B) as a good first step. Let's see the shape of it thereafter. More upmerges may be necessary. 1500AD as a cut-off point is a tad too Euro-centric. Laurel Lodged (talk) 09:32, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Option A per nom: "But let's first see how the country mergers turn out before turning to the next layer of categorization." The present set-up is well-organised and coherent (but sparsely populated), and cfd can tend to leave a mess behind (by dismantling part of a category tree and moving on, leaving roots and branches disconnected). Oculi (talk) 10:43, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
 * No opinion about option B. Nyttend (talk) 11:17, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Support -- In the long term I would prefer Option B, but would accept Option A as an interim measure. Peterkingiron (talk) 21:25, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
 * (as nom) Option B, as the next discussion has now been closed in favor of option B, this discussion should be closed as option B as well, to keep it all aligned. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:23, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Note, I've slightly adapted the targets for the French and Egyptian categories in order to comply with the closure of Categories_for_discussion/Log/2017_July_1. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:53, 22 July 2017 (UTC)


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