Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 March 10



Category:Kapp Putsch

 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was: relisted at Categories for discussion/Log/2017 April 28. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:52, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting kapp putsch


 * Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:SMALLCAT, only contains the eponymous article and a subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:40, 10 March 2017 (UTC)


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Category:German Nazi politicians

 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. – Fayenatic  L ondon 22:00, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:German Nazi politicians to Category:Nazi Germany politicians
 * Nominator's rationale: merge or reverse merge, it seems like the two categories have the same scope. Alternatively delete if all articles in this category are already in a subcategory of the target. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:43, 10 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Not convinced presumably there were Nazi politicians in Germany prior to 1933 who weren't politicians from 1933 hence, and although technically forbidden - like murder, but we have lots of categories for that - there may be Nazi politicians post war. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 00:33, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I checked a sample of articles of Category:German Nazi politicians and neither of these both problems occurred in any of them. However a number of articles contained another problem, namely that some of these people weren't really politicians (but instead, for example, an ambassador or an SS officer). That makes a fully automated merge less appropriate. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:25, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Interesting points: where one draws the line on who is a 'politician'. That problem inheres in the entire tree. As for diplomats, for some countries, ambassador-ranked folks are political appointees whose term ends when the executive or legislative branch changes hands, and hence, are quintessentially politicians. In other countries only civil servants of long and distinguished service get to ambassadorial rank and survive changes in the government of the day. Some countries have a hybrid model. As for SS officers, the SS was a political creature in some sense as it was an instrument of the party - where in the hierarchy one stood probably determined whether one was political in actuality rather than in theory, much as the commissars in the Soviet Army. When you get to the top of the hierarchy in either group, I think it clear that Ribbentrop and Himmler ought to be termed 'politicians'. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 04:22, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. I'm now getting to wonder whether this should become a container category, containing subcats with people by type of function. Since the target is a container category already (though not officially so) this might suggest deleting the nominated category altogether. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:14, 20 March 2017 (UTC)


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