Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 March 21



Category:History of modern European colonialism

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. – Fayenatic  L ondon 13:26, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:History of modern European colonialism to Category:History of European colonialism
 * Nominator's rationale: while in theory we might split this in Early Modern versus Modern European colonialism, in practice Early Modern and Modern history are lumped together here in one category, which makes the word "modern" in the category name redundant. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:26, 21 March 2017 (UTC)


 * agree, says category creator Hmains (talk) 02:58, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
 * agree -- The main colonial movement is post-1500 (hence "modern"), but Venice had medieval colonies, as did ancient Greek cities. These may need (indeed have) their own categories, which coulkd be subcats to the target.  Peterkingiron (talk) 14:33, 26 March 2017 (UTC)


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Category:WikiTeens

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 05:44, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting wikiteens


 * Nominator's rationale: Not a properly named Wikipedian category, membership is time-dependent, unlikely to be populated — swpb T 20:15, 21 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Support deletion User categories have to be better-thought than that. Categories with one member make no sense. Editors should find better stuff to involve their time. Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 20:22, 21 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose Yes, I am the creator. WP:7AGES is a thing. If it is not properly named, then rename it. -Mr. Guye (talk) 21:13, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete. A category with one member and no parent categories is not proper use of the category system. DexDor(talk) 20:18, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete as per DexDor -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:09, 29 March 2017 (UTC)


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Category:1456 events by month

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure)  f  e  minist  16:11, 14 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting 1456 events by month


 * Nominator's rationale: The parent category is not so populated that it needs to be diffused. Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 18:50, 21 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Support per nom, this applies to all events by month categories except in the very recent history (20th and 21st century). Marcocapelle (talk) 19:35, 21 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Support Not enough entries....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 12:23, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete (or merge back to year). The chance of us getting enough to populate anything more specific than annual categories at that distant period is remote.  Peterkingiron (talk) 14:35, 26 March 2017 (UTC)


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Category:January 1456 events

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure)  f  e  minist  16:09, 14 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting january 1456 events


 * Nominator's rationale: The category has only one entry and the parent category is not so populated that it needs to be diffused. Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 18:49, 21 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Support per nom, this applies to all events by month categories except in the very recent history (20th and 21st century). Marcocapelle (talk) 19:35, 21 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Support Not enough entries....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 12:23, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Support per nom -- Lenticel ( talk ) 10:08, 28 March 2017 (UTC)


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Category:May 1456 events

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure)  f  e  minist  16:10, 14 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting may 1456 events


 * Nominator's rationale: The category has only one entry and the parent category is not so populated that it needs to be diffused. Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 18:48, 21 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Support per nom, this applies to all events by month categories except in the very recent history (20th and 21st century). Marcocapelle (talk) 19:35, 21 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Support Not enough entries....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 12:23, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete (or merge back to year). The chance of us getting enough to populate anything more specific than annual categories at that distant period is remote.  Peterkingiron (talk) 14:35, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Support per nom -- Lenticel ( talk ) 10:07, 28 March 2017 (UTC)


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Category:July 1456 events

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure)  f  e  minist  16:10, 14 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting july 1456 events


 * Nominator's rationale: The category has only one entry and the parent category is not so populated that it needs to be diffused. Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 18:48, 21 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Support per nom, this applies to all events by month categories except in the very recent history (20th and 21st century). Marcocapelle (talk) 19:35, 21 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Support Not enough entries....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 12:23, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete (or merge back to year). The chance of us getting enough to populate anything more specific than annual categories at that distant period is remote.  Peterkingiron (talk) 14:35, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Support per nom -- Lenticel ( talk ) 10:07, 28 March 2017 (UTC)


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Category:People from Southern California

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 * The result of the discussion was: relist  at Categories for discussion/Log/2017 May 1. – Fayenatic  L ondon 14:01, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Southern California to Category:People from California
 * Nominator's rationale: /Delete from subcats which are all under the scheme of Category:People by county in California anyway. It's not helpful to diffuse a handful of biographies for persons who are from a huge region of a huge state. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 07:37, 21 March 2017 (UTC)


 * do not merge first, there are people articles who are directly in this category besides the subcats; second, this is an obvious subcat of Category:Southern California which has many subcats. Hmains (talk) 03:02, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Merge There are more than sufficient community and county categories for the region. We don't need even further breakdown....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 12:23, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment a problem of using various levels of "from" categories for people. In the US, it's almost always State/County/city or town - so that those from a particular city are in that category, which is a sub cat of the county, which is a sub cat of the state. In modern times, people often live in several places and we categorize those of note. In the main this just seems to be a subgrouping of county categories for the counties that comprise Southern California (and including the Greater LA one, which for whatever reason is another subgrouping); why some folks are categorized here seems more because we don't know where more specifically than Southern California someone is from (which begs the question if you have no clue where someone's from, how can a biography be written? But alas, I digress). If this stays I should expect that any geographic area notable enough for its own article will end up having categories like this, whether we want that or not is really what's being discussed with this as a trial balloon. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 22:15, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment, not knowing where exactly people were born or raised is another symptom of a more fundamental problem with all "People from" categories, namely the fact where people are born or raised is hardly ever of encyclopedic value. The key thing is not where people were born or raised, but where they acquired notability. Most biographies who are directly in Category:People from Southern California are here because of birth or being raised and that is not very useful. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:39, 24 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Question -- Is there a robust definition of the extent of Southern California, as opposed to Northern California?  Peterkingiron (talk) 14:38, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
 * answer see Southern California for the WP definition. Hmains (talk) 23:08, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment: compare recent deletion of categories for years in Southern California, see Categories_for_discussion/Log/2017_February_24. – Fayenatic  L ondon 13:57, 1 May 2017 (UTC)


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