Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 March 26



Category:Tank aces

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 02:55, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting tank aces


 * Nominator's rationale: Non-defining category, failing WP:CATDEF. "Tank ace" is not a well-defined concept; a "tank ace" is a recent creation within popular culture, and assigning the status of a "tank ace" by its nature involves OR.


 * For comparison, please see Articles for deletion/Submarine ace which resulted in a redirect to Ace (military). "Tank ace" is redirect to the same article and is briefly discussed there. The category "Aces of the Deep" has been likewise deleted/merged into U-boat commanders (see CfD: Aces of the Deep.)
 * K.e.coffman (talk) 23:36, 26 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete. Too ill-defined for use as most countries didn't keep formal track of tank kills/claims.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 00:27, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete. Too judgmental. To my knowledge, the U.S. Army has never had such a -- what? -- designation yet Creighton Abrams is a member of the category.-- Jim in Georgia  Contribs  Talk  20:26, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete The entire 'tank ace' construct is dubious, and largely invented by people looking to glorify the military of Nazi Germany, so this is not a useful way of categorising people. Nick-D (talk) 07:31, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete, not complete and subjective. Kierzek (talk) 18:43, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete -- The definition of who was or was not an ace is a POV issue. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:57, 2 April 2017 (UTC)


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Early medieval conflicts

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. – Fayenatic  L ondon 12:46, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose merge Category:Conflicts in 405 to Category:405 and Category:400s conflicts
 * Propose merge Category:Conflicts in 406 to Category:406 and Category:400s conflicts
 * Propose merge Category:Conflicts in 419 to Category:419 and Category:410s conflicts
 * Propose merge Category:Conflicts in 463 to Category:463 and Category:460s conflicts
 * Propose merge Category:Conflicts in 468 to Category:468 and Category:460s conflicts
 * Propose merge Category:Conflicts in 484 to Category:484 and Category:480s conflicts
 * Propose merge Category:Conflicts in 489 to Category:489 and Category:480s conflicts
 * Propose merge Category:Conflicts in 589 to Category:589 and Category:580s conflicts
 * Propose merge Category:Conflicts in 602 to Category:602 and Category:600s conflicts
 * Propose merge Category:Conflicts in 628 to Category:628 and Category:620s conflicts
 * Propose merge Category:Conflicts in 630 to Category:630 and Category:630s conflicts (the latter only insofar not in a Muslim conquest subcat already)
 * Propose merge Category:Conflicts in 631 to Category:631 and Category:630s conflicts (the latter only insofar not in a Muslim conquest subcat already)
 * Propose merge Category:Conflicts in 632 to Category:632 and Category:630s conflicts (the latter only insofar not in a Muslim conquest subcat already)
 * Propose merge Category:Conflicts in 633 to Category:633 and Category:630s conflicts (the latter only insofar not in a Muslim conquest subcat already)
 * Propose merge Category:Conflicts in 634 to Category:634 and Category:630s conflicts (the latter only insofar not in a Muslim conquest subcat already)
 * Propose merge Category:Conflicts in 635 to Category:635 and Category:630s conflicts (the latter only insofar not in a Muslim conquest subcat already)
 * Propose merge Category:Conflicts in 636 to Category:636 (no double merge needed, content is already in a Muslim conquest subcat)
 * Propose merge Category:Conflicts in 637 to Category:637 and Category:630s conflicts (the latter only insofar not in a Muslim conquest subcat already)
 * Propose merge Category:Conflicts in 642 to Category:642 (no double merge needed, content is already in a Muslim conquest subcat)
 * Propose merge Category:Conflicts in 651 to Category:651 and Category:650s conflicts
 * Propose merge Category:Conflicts in 652 to Category:652 and Category:650s conflicts
 * Propose merge Category:Conflicts in 720 to Category:720 and Category:720s conflicts
 * Propose merge Category:Conflicts in 721 to Category:721 and Category:720s conflicts
 * Propose merge Category:Conflicts in 737 to Category:737 and Category:730s conflicts
 * Propose merge Category:Conflicts in 791 to Category:791 and Category:790s conflicts
 * Propose merge Category:Conflicts in 794 to Category:794 and Category:790s conflicts
 * Propose merge Category:Conflicts in 799 to Category:799 and Category:790s conflicts
 * Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, mostly just one article per category; and besides most decade categories of this period aren't yet diffused by year anyway. Only the 630s have a larger number of articles but most of them are in a Muslim conquest subcategory already so that's no reason not to merge. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:21, 26 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Merge all -- This is too remote a period for annual categories to be useful, or rather for the year category to need to be split by subject. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:55, 2 April 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Luftwaffe units referenced in the Wehrmachtbericht

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:50, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting luftwaffe units referenced in the wehrmachtbericht


 * Nominator's rationale: Non-defining as none of the units are known for being mentioned in the Wehrmachtbericht (see WP:CATDEF).
 * A similar category for the German personnel of WWII has recently been deleted; pls see:
 * CfD: Military personnel referenced in the Wehrmachtberich
 * K.e.coffman (talk) 17:28, 26 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete. Not much point to it, IMO, as many, if not most, Luftwaffe units had somebody mentioned in the Wehrmachtbericht.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 00:25, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Trivia at best, and definitely not a defining characteristic. Nick-D (talk) 08:51, 29 March 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Films directed by Minoru Kunizawa

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 * The result of the discussion was: Keep. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 02:57, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting films directed by minoru kunizawa


 * Nominator's rationale: Category contains one entry (other article in this cat having been deleted). K.e.coffman (talk) 16:45, 26 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep per WP:FILMCAT - "A category for a director's films should be created even if they have only directed one film (irrespective of whether they are likely to direct more in the future), providing that the director already has an article".  Lugnuts  Precious bodily fluids 07:47, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep per the reasons listed by Lugnuts. Dimadick (talk) 08:09, 27 March 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Muscovite Russia

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 * The result of the discussion was: split; in practice, merge what remains to  Category:Tsardom of Russia.  given the time that has unfortunately elapsed, please review the results afterwards again, whether from Cydebot's contributions of from the eventual members of the category. – Fayenatic  L ondon 22:26, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose splitting Category:Muscovite Russia to Category:Grand Duchy of Moscow and Category:Tsardom of Russia
 * Propose splitting Category:Politics of Muscovy to Category:Grand Duchy of Moscow and Category:Tsardom of Russia
 * Nominator's rationale: split, in article space Muscovite Russia redirects to Grand Duchy of Moscow but both these categories contain a mix of articles referring to the Grand Duchy and to the Tsardom of Russia. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:13, 26 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Support -- They seem to be about the same thing. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:04, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Second thoughts -- Would it not be better to merge the lot? Peterkingiron (talk) 16:56, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment to facilitate closure, I've already moved (a few) articles to Category:Grand Duchy of Moscow. So the remainder, which is the larger amount of articles, may then be merged to Category:Tsardom of Russia. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:05, 31 March 2017 (UTC)


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Category:British Army appointments

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Senior appointments of the British Army and make it a sub-cat of the second. – Fayenatic  L ondon 07:48, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:British Army appointments to Category:Military appointments of the British Army‎
 * Nominator's rationale: Means exactly the same thing, so a complete duplicate category. I think the latter title is the better of the two (see Category:Military ranks of the British Army‎), but wouldn't object to a reverse merge if preferred. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:04, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment - The scope is not quite the same one is about offices to which people are appointed, the other about ranks, some specialist ones. However the distinction is a narrow one. Peterkingiron (talk) 00:25, 12 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Not sure what you mean. I'm not suggesting appointments should be merged to ranks. They are different things. I'm suggesting two categories about appointments which differ only in the wording of their titles should be merged. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:18, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Marcocapelle (talk) 01:20, 4 March 2017 (UTC)  '''Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. If Category:British Army appointments needs a rename, per User:Opera hat, please suggest a concrete name.'''
 * Support merger per nom. Laurel Lodged (talk) 14:49, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose. The two categories have different scope. The first is for specific posts, usually pretty senior ones. The second is for generic job roles, so e.g. someone might hold the rank of Warrant Officer Class 1 but the appointment of Regimental Sergeant Major. I agree that the two category titles are confusingly similar, but I think it would be better to rename Category:British Army appointments to something else first, and then redirect the old category title to Category:Military appointments of the British Army. Opera hat (talk) 06:58, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Marcocapelle (talk) 11:53, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose (commented above) -- The first is largely commanders - General (or other) officers commanding a district or station, but including a few obsolete offices in the Ordnance. Each such role is fulfilled by one person at a time.  The others are generic roles - every regiment with a band will have a band sergeant major; every battalion will have an adjutant, etc.  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:14, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment. If they are supposed to reflect different things, then they should be clearly renamed to reflect this. At the moment both titles mean essentially the same thing! Being psychic is not a required attribute when reading Wikipedia! -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:44, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I agree. Opera hat (talk) 18:11, 30 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment perhaps this is leading towards consensus about a rename but if so please suggest a new name. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:58, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
 * How about renaming the first category Category:Senior appointments of the British Army and making it a subcat of the second (since all are in fact appointments, whether unique or generic)? -- Necrothesp (talk) 07:41, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Good suggestion. All I was coming up with was Category:British Army posts, Category:British Army offices—too similar to officers?—and even wondering whether a merge might be better after all (Category:Military appointments of Canada encompasses both senses). Category:United States Army job titles and Category:United States Navy job titles exist as well. This proposed title preserves the difference but also maintains consistency with other categories in Category:Military appointments. Opera hat (talk) 18:11, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I could accept the Category:Senior appointments of the British Army: they are mostly appointments held by generals (or above). The exception (which may need purging) is the officers of the Ordnance Board: they could go into the target or a separate category on that Board.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:01, 2 April 2017 (UTC)


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Category:PlayStation 3 games with online pass

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 17:46, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting playstation 3 games with online pass


 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:DEFINING, WP:CATDEF. Online pass is not a defining characteristic of a video game. The1337gamer (talk) 10:33, 26 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete as non defining. K.e.coffman (talk) 23:27, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete. Non-defining trait. Items already in parent category. czar  16:55, 7 April 2017 (UTC)


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