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Category:Recipients of the War Merit Cross (Lippe)

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 05:47, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting recipients of the war merit cross (lippe)


 * Nominator's rationale: Non-defining category for an award for meritorious service. Fails WP:CATDEF & WP:OCAWARD. K.e.coffman (talk) 18:49, 25 May 2017 (UTC)


 * DElete OCAWARD -- a NN award. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:11, 28 May 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Recipients of the Cross for Merit in War

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 05:53, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting recipients of the cross for merit in war


 * Nominator's rationale: Non-defining category for an award for meritorious service. Fails WP:CATDEF & WP:OCAWARD. K.e.coffman (talk) 18:45, 25 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete OCAWARD -- a NN award. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:12, 28 May 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Anggun

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete.  ℯ  xplicit  00:42, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting anggun


 * Nominator's rationale: Requesting deletion per WP:OCEPON and per precedent in CfD. Typically, eponymous categories for music acts with nothing more than albums and songs subcategories and a discography page have been deleted because the subcategories can be interlinked with a hat note and the discography page can be added to one or both of the subcats. They are warranted when there are enough distinct articles. I believe populating them with non-articles such as image files, audio files, and templates do not add to the navigational benefit of having these categories. -- Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 17:37, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete, consistent with practice in similar cases. UnitedStatesian (talk) 14:51, 26 May 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Lake Washington Technical College faculty

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 20:28, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting lake washington technical college faculty


 * Nominator's rationale: No potential for growth - is even a single other faculty member from this 2-year college likely to be the subject of an article? — swpb T 17:33, 25 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. UnitedStatesian (talk) 17:09, 4 June 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Companies listed on the Pink Sheets

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge.  ℯ  xplicit  00:42, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Companies listed on the Pink Sheets to Category:Companies traded over-the-counter in the United States
 * Nominator's rationale: There are no longer "Pink Sheets" in the US. OTC Markets Group operates several tiers of over-the-counter trading: OTC Pink is one, but there are also OTCQX and OTCQB.  I recently created the target category. UnitedStatesian (talk) 14:22, 25 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Support merge for now, per nom, but at the same time I wonder if the target should exist at all, per WP:OCMISC, as the target category mostly means that companies in the category are not traded on any stock exchange. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:38, 2 June 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Company spin-offs

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename.  ℯ  xplicit  00:42, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Company spin-offs to Category:Corporate spin-offs
 * Nominator's rationale: For consistency: the subject article is Corporate spin-off, and standard WP naming of these types of categories uses "Corporate" (the adjective) more than "Company" (the noun). UnitedStatesian (talk) 14:17, 25 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Support per WP:C2D. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:49, 2 June 2017 (UTC)


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Professional wrestlers by generation

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete.  ℯ  xplicit  00:42, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting first generation professional wrestlers

– added on relisting – added on relisting – added on relisting
 * Propose deleting second generation professional wrestlers
 * Propose deleting third generation professional wrestlers
 * Propose deleting professional wrestlers by generation


 * Nominator's rationale: Arbitrary intersection, and unpopulated. — swpb T 18:08, 24 April 2017 (UTC)


 * It's not unpopulated anymore but this would appear to be for patriarchs of Category:Professional wrestling families. Delete per nom. Someone wants to create a list, that's a matter for elsewhere, but I can't see us further splitting Category:Professional wrestling families along the line of otherwise unrelated wrestling elders. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 20:25, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
 * EDITED On second thoughts, I think I will strike my previous comments on this. It's convenient in a way but I'm unsure.★Trekker (talk) 16:23, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Question Is this really for professional wrestlers whose families have never produced any previous professional wrestlers? I took it as referring to professional wrestlers from the first generation of the "sport" (comparable to First generation Dodge Stratus or First generation computer scientists), regardless of their relatives' occupations.  Nyttend (talk) 03:56, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes. Wrestlers are often categorized or mentioned as "X generation wrestler" because of the overwhelming number of family relations in professional wrestling. Pro wrestling is a very nepotistic and secretive business so it's ended up this way. The artform doesn't really have generations like the ones you mentioned.★Trekker (talk) 14:40, 28 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Question Why do we allow second and third generation categories but should we delete first generation wrestlers? Or should the second and third generation categories be deleted as well? Marcocapelle (talk) 08:14, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I'd say second and third make a little more sense since they have pretty specific criteria for inclusion. It makes more sense to define a person by what their parents are as opposed to what their children have done afterwards. It's kind of like with military brats, yes it may sometimes seem inconsequential but if you look a little deeper you see that it more often than not it ends up defining a wrestlers career and life in some way.★Trekker (talk) 06:30, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
 * given the answers to your questions, do you wish to offer a view on what should be done? – Fayenatic  L ondon 18:43, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Handle like the other generations. If the criteria for second- and third-generations are simple, the criteria for first- are equally simple.  If Dad were a butcher, but Grandpa helped to pioneer the "sport", whether you qualify as second-generation will also explain whether you're first-generation.  I don't quite see the point of any of these categories, but I understand that there might be good reason for them.  However, deleting one and keeping the other two seems like a bad idea: delete them all or keep them all.  Nyttend (talk) 19:26, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Agree with Nyttend: if to be deleted, delete them all together. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:42, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: adding sibling categories

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Fayenatic  L ondon 07:31, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Admin comment: These categories were previously deleted in 2010, see Categories_for_discussion/Log/2010_December_20, so if there is consensus for deletion this time, they should be salted. – Fayenatic  L ondon 07:34, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete per previous deletion. Recreation of categories delted at cfd should be made more difficult, eg by requiring a drv. Oculi (talk) 08:56, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment -- This appears to be an attempt to split people by the period when they were active, but the periods are arbitrary and whatever date is selected for a change, there will be careers that overlap that date. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:17, 28 May 2017 (UTC)


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Historic farms

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 * The result of the discussion was:  at Categories for discussion/Log/2017 June 19.  ℯ  xplicit  00:42, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Centennial farms merge to Category:Historic farms in the United States Category:Century farms
 * Propose merging Category:Century farms merge to Category:Historic farms in the United States
 * Propose merging Category:Historic farms by country to Category:History of agriculture by country (only the Norwegian subcat, the US one is already in it)
 * Propose deleting Category:Historic farms (becomes empty after above merger)
 * Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:09, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose merger of "Centennial farms" and/or "Century farms" into generic "Historic farms". Thanks for notice about this.  There's no difference intended between "Centennial" ones vs. "Century" ones;  I have a small bias towards choosing to use "Century".  Setting up a category redirect or merging "Centennial" into "Century" is fine.  Also, Century farms can naturally be a subcategory of Historic farms.  However, the term "Century farm" is a designation like a historic site listing which is specific, is recognized by various state agencies, involves documentation that one family owned and operated the farm for 100 years (where "in the same family" and "operating the farm" have to be defined well enough, which may vary slightly by state).  This is like the difference between generic historic houses vs. houses which are specifically listed on the U.S. National Register of Historic Places or the City of Los Angeles' Historic-Cultural Monuments or the like.  See the Century Farm article which lists the state recognizing bodies.  It is temporarily a small category because previous members were lost in the past (perhaps one or both categories were deleted in the past).  ["Category:Century farms" was previously deleted by this CFD in 2011, in which !voting participants were ignorant even about what a century farm is.  Perhaps Century Farm article was developed more then or after.]  There is room for an explicit list of them, but Categories and Lists are complementary (per wp:CLT), and it makes sense to allow the category so that members for a list can be identified. -- do  ncr  am  04:32, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
 * P.S. wp:SMALLCAT applies to categories with little or no potential for growth.  Check out this 23 page list of new Century Farms designated in Iowa in 2016, for just one state's listings, found in 2 seconds of Google searching.  I am not expecting that each one of these needs a Wikipedia article.  But where they are notable and have articles, putting into a category to group them together is helpful. -- do  ncr  am  04:43, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
 * P.P.S. There were only a couple members when the categories were nominated.  Now it includes:
 * Boyd–Wilson Farm
 * Brabson's Ferry Plantation
 * Corbett Farm
 * Davies Manor
 * Spencer Eakin Farm
 * Earnest Farms Historic District
 * Fairvue (Jefferson City, Tennessee)
 * Augustus Fanno Farmhouse
 * Farrar Distillery
 * Harms Farm
 * Maden Hall Farm
 * Maymead Farm
 * McPhail Angus Farm
 * Oak Hill Farm
 * Shamrock Acres
 * Smithson–McCall Farm
 * Taylor-Stevenson Ranch
 * and perhaps more.
 * Also Jacob Nuffer Farmstead in Minnesota (currently a redlink) is a NRHP-listed one which will get an article and the category sometime, as will many others. Of 2,000+ NRHP entries with "Farm" in their name, it's not easy to see which are designated century farms, but a good number are.--


 * Thanks! I've adapted the nomination accordingly. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:43, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks for that, that's what I care about most. -- do ncr  am  15:24, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose merging Category:Historic farms and Category:Historic farms by country (which includes subcategories for U.S. and Norway) out of existence. I don't care so much, but I don't see why these should be eliminated.  They seem to be clear categories.  Members in Norway's subcategory include places like Thomas Erichsens Minde, an estate and manor house.  That fits in "historic farms", but doesn't fit in "to Category:History of agriculture by country.  I looked at another couple which don't look like they would transfer nicely, either.  Note also that Category:Historic farms in the United States just got a lot larger, by my adding as a subcategory Category:Farms on the National Register of Historic Places, which has about 1000 members. -- do  ncr  am  15:24, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose -- This nom amalgamates two different concepts. Centennial farms have passed down a family for 100 years.  Historic farms should be a NTHP (or equivalent category).  However two of the nom cats have a single article and should be merged (or reverse merged).  There must be 100s of historic farms in other Europeans countries, but they are probably categorised elsewhere.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:26, 28 May 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Pre-Islamic heritage by country

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete.  ℯ  xplicit  00:42, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting pre-islamic heritage by country


 * Nominator's rationale: delete, only contains a single child category, and no room for expansion since we normally name a category "Ancient history of" instead of "Pre-islamic". Marcocapelle (talk) 04:01, 25 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment: there were previously other members. The North African category has just been renamed to Category:Ancient history of North Africa. The Pakistan category was deleted at Categories_for_discussion/Log/2017_April_27; its (deleted) talk page showed that it had once contained hundreds of pages (admins can see the old discussion at Category talk:Pre-Islamic heritage of Pakistan/Archive 1). There are at least three pages specifically about pre-Islamic Afghanistan, which I have added to the nominated category for now. – Fayenatic  L ondon 08:16, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
 * In my opinion the three articles should be moved to Category:Ancient history of Afghanistan. They have nothing in common with Category:Pre-Islamic Arabia and keeping the category with its current content would be a matter of WP:SHAREDNAME. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:43, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Note, meanwhile I've boldly moved two of the three articles (replacing "pre-Islamic") and moved all three from Category:History of Afghanistan to Category:Ancient history of Afghanistan. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:05, 28 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete -- We have three articles on the Category:Ancient history of Afghanistan and a subcat on Arabia, bizarrely categorised as History of Islam, when it is about a pre-Islamic period: perhaps implement by removing the Arabia subcat and then merging. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:31, 28 May 2017 (UTC)


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