Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 May 28



Category:People in cannabis

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename first category to Category:People involved in cannabis, merge the second. The current name of the category is clearly faulty and there is consensus to change it. Outright deleting the category failed to garner enough support to execute the proposal.  ℯ  xplicit  00:39, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:People in cannabis to Category:People and cannabis
 * Propose renaming Category:Women in cannabis to Category:Women and cannabis
 * Nominator's rationale: It seems "and" expresses better association here than "in", which implies they are inside it or are growing in it. But open to other options. Brandmeistertalk  23:26, 28 May 2017 (UTC)


 * I'd suggest Rename Category:People in cannabis to Category:People associated with cannabis, considering it is in the "People by association" upper category. As for Category:Women and cannabis, I'd simply delete/upmerge it because I don't see why this category needs to be sub-categorised according to sex. "In" or "associated with" are so vague, I would have thought we should only have sub-categories in the category (i.e. authors, researchers, politicians etc.) Sionk (talk) 18:41, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Because of the before-mentioned vagueness and per WP:OCASSOC a better rename suggestion may be Category:People involved in cannabis. Agree with merging the women category. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:57, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Rename somehow, with either "and" or "involved in" being acceptable (I have no opinion on the delete proposal), because as noted by the nominator, "in" sounds like a machine-translator picked the wrong preposition. Nyttend (talk) 00:03, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete (upmerging if/ where necessary) - we shouldn't categorize together pro-cannabis people, anti-cannabis people, researchers etc (and politicians etc who shouldn't be in this category). DexDor(talk) 13:43, 4 June 2017 (UTC) DexDor(talk) 19:50, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Not too sure about merging. The subcategories do have in common that they are about people. The parent category Cannabis contains all sorts of different things. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:29, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
 * In most (possibly all) cases no upmerging is needed - e.g. Category:Cannabis researchers is already in Category:Cannabis and Category:People (via Category:Researchers). Being about people doesn't really make a coherent topic. We don't, for example, have a "People and petroleum" category that groups oil-industry executives with environmental campaigners. Example of a previous CFD which touches on similar issues: Categories_for_discussion/Log/2016_January_24. DexDor(talk) 19:50, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
 * We do have multiple categories with people involved in (which I believe is a lot stronger than people associated with), for example Category:People involved in aviation accidents or incidents. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:27, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
 * That particular category appears to be for people actually in an a/i - not for people who have a different connection (e.g. aircrash investigators, air-safety campaigners...). DexDor(talk) 19:25, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
 * This sounds pretty convincing. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:58, 8 June 2017 (UTC)


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Muslim historians by country (1)

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename.  ℯ  xplicit  00:50, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Egyptian Muslim historians to Category:Egyptian Muslim historians of Islam
 * Propose renaming Category:Indian Muslim historians to Category:Indian Muslim historians of Islam
 * Propose renaming Category:Ottoman Muslim historians to Category:Ottoman Muslim historians of Islam
 * Propose renaming Category:Persian Muslim historians to Category:Persian Muslim historians of Islam
 * Propose renaming Category:Andalusian Muslim historians to Category:Al-Andalus Muslim historians of Islam
 * Nominator's rationale: rename by adding "of Islam", in accordance with this earlier discussion. And in addition there is a small improvement in the name of the Al-Andalus category, consistent with Category:People of Al-Andalus. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:03, 28 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Support, on the basis the current names suggest Islam is the religion of the historians, rather than their topic/focus. There would be no need to categorise historians by their personal beliefs. Sionk (talk) 05:20, 7 June 2017 (UTC)


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Muslim historians by country (2)

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge as nominated, save for the New Zealand category, where the first of the three proposed targets will be excluded.  ℯ  xplicit  00:39, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose merge Category:Bangladeshi Muslim historians to Category:Muslim historians of Islam, Category:Bangladeshi historians and Category:Bangladeshi Muslims
 * Propose merge Category:Bosnia and Herzegovina Muslim historians‎ to Category:Muslim historians of Islam, Category:Bosnia and Herzegovina historians and Category:Bosnia and Herzegovina Muslims
 * Propose merge Category:Chinese Muslim historians‎ to Category:Muslim historians of Islam, Category:Chinese historians and Category:Chinese Muslims
 * Propose merge Category:Iraqi Muslim historians to Category:Muslim historians of Islam, Category:Iraqi historians and Category:Iraqi Muslims
 * Propose merge Category:Kurdish Muslim historians to Category:Muslim historians of Islam, Category:Kurdish historians and Category:Kurdish Muslims
 * Propose merge Category:Malaysian Muslim historians to Category:Muslim historians of Islam, Category:Malaysian historians and Category:Malaysian Muslims
 * Propose merge Category:Moroccan Muslim historians to Category:Muslim historians of Islam, Category:Moroccan historians and Category:Moroccan Muslims
 * Propose merge Category:New Zealand Muslim historians to Category:Muslim historians of Islam, Category:New Zealand historians and Category:New Zealand Muslims
 * Propose merge Category:Nigerian Muslim historians to Category:Muslim historians of Islam, Category:Nigerian historians and Category:Nigerian Muslims
 * Propose merge Category:Pakistani Muslim historians to Category:Muslim historians of Islam, Category:Pakistani historians and Category:Pakistani Muslims
 * Propose merge Category:Polish Muslim historians to Category:Muslim historians of Islam, Category:Polish historians and Category:Polish Muslims
 * Propose merge Category:Spanish Muslim historians to Category:Muslim historians of Islam, Category:Spanish historians and Category:Spanish Muslims
 * Propose merge Category:Syrian Muslim historians to Category:Muslim historians of Islam, Category:Syrian historians and Category:Syrian Muslims
 * Propose merge Category:Tunisian Muslim historians to Category:Muslim historians of Islam, Category:Tunisian historians and Category:Tunisian Muslims
 * Propose merge Category:Yemeni Muslim historians to Category:Muslim historians of Islam, Category:Yemeni historians and Category:Yemeni Muslims
 * :Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT. (Note, actually I'm not too sure about the third merge target, e.g. to Yemeni Muslims, especially in countries with an overwhelming Muslim majority). Marcocapelle (talk) 18:03, 28 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. does not need to be comprehensively diffused for every individual country that they might happen to be from — nationality is not a WP:DEFINING characteristic of being a Muslim historian per se, especially given that the base criterion being captured here is "historians who are Muslim" and not necessarily "historians of Islam" per se. It's probably justifiable in a few special cases where there are a lot of them, but we don't need a WP:SMALLCAT for every country that might happen to have had just one or two. And à propos of nothing, let's just say I'm not the least bit surprised by the identity of who created these (or at least the couple that I actually checked.) Bearcat (talk) 12:27, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Merge, with the additional possibility of moving some to the "Historians of Islam" categories per the 'Muslim historians by country (1)' rename discussion. There's no need to categories historians by their personal religious beliefs. Sionk (talk) 05:25, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose for the New Zealand cat. The sole member is primarily a military historian and is inappropiate for the new cat. Stuartyeates (talk) 09:43, 16 June 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional characters who died from a drug overdose

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 20:11, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Fictional characters who died from a drug overdose to Category:Fictional drug-related deaths
 * Nominator's rationale: To match parent category Category:Drug-related deaths, to comply with Manual of Style/Writing about fiction (by not using the past tense for fictional events) and for clarification - at least one character in the category died by having her drink spiked by a drug that killed her, but not necessarily an overdose. — anemone projectors — 16:38, 28 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Support - it matches the parent category and gives a wider ambit than simply "overdose". Sionk (talk) 18:45, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Support To match the parent category. Dimadick (talk) 07:58, 31 May 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional characters who committed suicide

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 * The result of the discussion was:  at Categories for discussion/Log/2017 June 22.  ℯ  xplicit  00:39, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Fictional characters who committed suicide to Category:Fictional suicides
 * Nominator's rationale: To match parent category Category:Suicides and to comply with Manual of Style/Writing about fiction (by not using the past tense for fictional events). — anemone projectors — 16:38, 28 May 2017 (UTC)


 * How about Category:Fictional suicide victims ? DexDor(talk) 13:45, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
 * That might make it clearer, so I'd be happy with that. — anemone projectors — 14:20, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Support original nomination, per WP:C2C, it matches with Category:Suicides. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:00, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
 * the name should be kept the same and not changed. --67.81.107.101 (talk) 03:34, 17 June 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional characters who have self harmed

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 * The result of the discussion was:  at Categories for discussion/Log/2017 June 22.  ℯ  xplicit  00:39, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Fictional characters who have self harmed to Category:Fictional self-harmers
 * Nominator's rationale: Firstly, self-harm is hyphenated. There is no parent category for real-life self-harmers, but people who self-harm are referred to as "self-harmers" in the self-harm article. Additionally, the use of past tense in the category title goes against Manual of Style/Writing about fiction. — anemone projectors — 16:38, 28 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:NONDEF, the characters aren't defined by this particular behavior. Perhaps listify. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:42, 11 June 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional students who have had a relationship with a teacher

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 20:20, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Fictional students who have had a relationship with a teacher to Category:Fictional teacher-student relationships
 * Nominator's rationale: The title currently goes against Manual of Style/Writing about fiction by its use of past tense for a fictional event. I am also proposing that the category be expanded to include articles for the teachers involved as well as the students. However, if anyone is in disagreement that the teacher and student be combined into one category, then it should be renamed to something like Category:Fictional students who have a relationship with a teacher. — anemone projectors — 16:38, 28 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete; this is really too trivial of a thing for a category. Nyttend (talk) 00:05, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete. I agree with Nyttend, this isn't really a particularly WP:DEFINING basis on which to categorize fictional characters. We do not need a comprehensive scheme of fictional characters who did X for every possible value of X — even though they're not real people and are thus segregated to their own separate category scheme rather than intermingling with real people in real-people categories, the categories for fictional characters are still meant to capture defining characteristics rather than comprehensively capturing every attribute that a character happens to possess. Colour me surprised that the new CW teen-drama version of Archie hasn't been filed here, too — if the reason we can't file him there is because it applies only to one particular version of Archie and not all of the others, then that in and of itself is a reason why this isn't a good idea: reboots and adaptations and other ways in which there can be multiple versions of the same character with different life experiences, rather than a single definitive version, are far too common in 2017. Bearcat (talk) 12:19, 3 June 2017 (UTC)


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Category:U.S. Army All-American Bowl football players

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete.  ℯ  xplicit  00:50, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting u.s. army all-american bowl football players


 * Nominator's rationale: WP:NONDEF. The U.S. Army All-American Bowl is a high school football all-star game. No notable athlete would mark playing in it as a career high point. TM 11:51, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Fayenatic  L ondon 13:20, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and WP:DNWAUC. Category:American players of American football etc are sufficient categorization. DexDor(talk) 16:49, 9 June 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Racing drivers born in YYYY

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete.  ℯ  xplicit  00:50, 19 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting racing drivers born in 1962


 * Propose deleting racing drivers born in 1963


 * Propose deleting racing drivers born in 1965


 * Propose deleting racing drivers born in 1966


 * Propose deleting racing drivers born in 1967


 * Propose deleting racing drivers born in 1968


 * Propose deleting racing drivers born in 1969


 * Propose deleting racing drivers born in 1970


 * Propose deleting racing drivers born in 1971


 * Propose deleting racing drivers born in 1972


 * Propose deleting racing drivers born in 1973


 * Propose deleting racing drivers born in 1974


 * Propose deleting racing drivers born in 1975


 * Propose deleting racing drivers born in 1976


 * Propose deleting racing drivers born in 1977


 * Propose deleting racing drivers born in 1978


 * Propose deleting racing drivers born in 1979


 * Propose deleting racing drivers born in 1980


 * Propose deleting racing drivers born in 1981


 * Propose deleting racing drivers born in 1982


 * Propose deleting racing drivers born in 1983


 * Propose deleting racing drivers born in 1984


 * Propose deleting racing drivers born in 1985


 * Propose deleting racing drivers born in 1986


 * Propose deleting racing drivers born in 1987


 * Propose deleting racing drivers born in 1988


 * Propose deleting racing drivers born in 1989


 * Propose deleting racing drivers born in 1990


 * Propose deleting racing drivers born in 1991


 * Propose deleting racing drivers born in 1992


 * Propose deleting racing drivers born in 1993


 * Propose deleting racing drivers born in 1994


 * Propose deleting racing drivers born in 1995


 * Propose deleting racing drivers born in 1996


 * Propose deleting racing drivers born in 1997


 * Propose deleting racing drivers born in 1998


 * Propose deleting racing drivers born in 1999


 * Propose deleting racing drivers born in 2000


 * Nominator's rationale: Overcategorisation. As far as I'm aware, we don't usually create " born in YYYY" categories. DH85868993 (talk) 09:10, 28 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete – Category:Births is indeed not subcatted other than by Category:Births_by_year (and long may this persist). Oculi (talk) 12:34, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete per the above comments.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 12:40, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination and comments above. – Sabbatino (talk) 14:15, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Dslete or merge back to ensure we do not lose a date of birth category altogether. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:55, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Seems somewhat unnecessary over-categorisation. Eagleash (talk) 10:48, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete. Year of birth is not WP:DEFINING of a racing driver per se — the only possible effect it has is on the question of whether their inevitable retirement from that career is in the past or the future as of today — and indeed we do not subcategorize any other individual occupation by year of birth. However, do watch out for whether these categories were added alongside or as an outright replacement for the standard "YYYY births" category — nothing special will need to be done beyond the deletion if the original category is still present, but the original category will have to be readded if this replaced it. Bearcat (talk) 12:07, 3 June 2017 (UTC)


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