Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 May 30



Category:Racing drivers born in 1954

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 04:38, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting racing drivers born in 1954


 * Nominator's rationale: WP:NARROWCAT — swpb T 14:46, 30 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete per this CfD.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 18:17, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting racing drivers born in 1956


 * Nominator's rationale: WP:NARROWCAT — swpb T 14:46, 30 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete per this CfD.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 18:17, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Combining related items. Peterkingiron (talk) 22:58, 30 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete too specific: possibly upmerge. Peterkingiron (talk) 23:00, 30 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete – there is probably no need for an upmerge as the creator has merely added the new cat. Oculi (talk) 23:43, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete – per nom & WP:NARROWCAT. Inter&#38;anthro (talk) 19:04, 31 May 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Laws affecting youth rights

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 * The result of the discussion was:  at Categories for discussion/Log/2017 June 13.  ℯ  xplicit  02:46, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Laws affecting youth rights to Category:Youth rights laws
 * Nominator's rationale: "Laws affecting X" seems like a poor phrasing. Suggest renaming to fix it. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 09:57, 30 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment -- The category is a right hotchpotch, mixing international conventions, some more related to children than youth, with the statute and law of several countries. This ought mainly to be a container category, but is not.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:08, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Rename laws to law, with no comment on the nominator's proposal. The current title sounds like it's meant for individual laws, e.g. Child Benefit Act 2005 but not Child labour law or the case law subcategory.  This really ought to be a parent to Category:Child labour law.  Nyttend (talk) 00:01, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Merge with Category:Children's rights instruments to Category:Children's rights legislation, which is indeed the parent of Category:Child labour law as requested by Nyttend. Both categories are about children (which may include youth), as earlier correctly pointed out by Peterkingiron, so they should be merged. I have tagged Category:Children's rights instruments as well. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:03, 6 June 2017 (UTC)


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Deaths of Greek people by year

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete.  ℯ  xplicit  02:46, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting deaths of greek people by year


 * Propose deleting greeks who died in 2016


 * Propose deleting greeks who died in 2017


 * Nominator's rationale: An unusual category with no parallel with two small subcats (also part of this nomination: Greeks who died in 2016 and Greeks who died in 2017). No room for significant expansion and not a common category type. Raymie (t • c) 07:23, 30 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete – it is indeed unusual and should be terminated forthwith. Oculi (talk) 09:01, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 18:17, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete – not defining in anyway and completely unneeded. Inter&#38;anthro (talk) 01:49, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep (creator). My fellow wikipedians and, you forget the categories  and ,  etc. when you say the category in question is "unusual". The categ/s under discussion are similar but they are according to Nationality/origin. Since they are similar to existent categories they must be defining. Similarly categories  and   etc. can be created.
 * Motivation/value: the chief motivation for the creation of these categories is to answer the Question Which Greeks died in 2016? etc. This is one of the main reasons why Wikipedia is very useful: it answers questions that are not answered (adequately) elsewhere. (I think this paragraph answers the "completely unneeded" argument by )
 * "small subcats": the subcategories are small because in 13 days there was not enough time for them get bigger. If Wikimedia had given me a salary I could on my own have made them bigger!
 * "two small subcats": The intent is to have subcategories, , , etc.SoSivr (talk) 17:32, 31 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Tentative keep. The died-by-year categories are large (every year 2010-2016 has more than 7000 articles), and they really could stand to be diffused.  Either splitting by nationality or splitting by month would be helpful, and as nobody's advocating for by-month, that ought to be a separate discussion.  My only objection is the name; the parent is Category:Greek people (note that Category:Greeks is a redirect thereto), and most nationalities are "ADJECTIVE people", not "ADJECTIVES".  Nyttend (talk) 23:57, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. The larger category serves its purpose and it does not need to be subdivided into ~200 tiny categories. &mdash;Xezbeth (talk) 08:59, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete (upmerging if necessary) (unless someone can come up with a convincing argument that the benefits of such a categorization scheme would outweigh its costs). The birth/death years categories are not like "normal" (what the person is notable for) categories that are subdivided when large. If you want a list of Greek people (or, for that matter, actors/politicians etc) who were born/died in a particular year then try category intersection or WikiData. DexDor(talk) 13:35, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Just wondering, why aren't these like "normal" categories? Marcocapelle (talk) 18:38, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
 * "Normal" categories group together articles about similar topics (e.g. 19th century French painters) which can be of use to readers/editors. When such categories get large there's usually some way in which they can be split to make them more useful. The year-of-birth/death categories don't group together such similar articles, but they may be useful (e.g. for editors maintaining BLP tags) and they have low cost - e.g. they cause little watchlist noise (typically they only need to be edited when the article is created and when the person dies) and they don't cause much category clutter. Hybrid categories would have the costs without (afaics) providing much (if any) benefits. This question comes up sufficiently often that perhaps a note/essay explaining this might be useful. DexDor(talk) 19:31, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Should it be regarded as a maintenance category? Marcocapelle (talk) 19:38, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
 * That depends on how you define "maintenance category". An argument could perhaps be made that these categories should be hidden (as a category containing many thousands of articles is unlikely to be of use to readers), but that's not a very strong argument. DexDor(talk) 20:00, 6 June 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Publicly traded companies of the Dutch Republic

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge.  ℯ  xplicit  02:46, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Publicly traded companies of the Dutch Republic to Category:Companies of the Dutch Republic and Category:Publicly traded companies of the Netherlands
 * Nominator's rationale: upmerge per WP:SMALLCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:37, 30 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Upmerge -- little scope for better population. Peterkingiron (talk) 23:06, 30 May 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Publicly traded companies based in Amsterdam

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge.  ℯ  xplicit  02:46, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Publicly traded companies based in Amsterdam to Category:Companies based in Amsterdam and Category:Publicly traded companies of the Netherlands
 * Nominator's rationale: upmerge, this is a very narrow intersection. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:35, 30 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Upmerge little hope of populating it better. Peterkingiron (talk) 23:07, 30 May 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Shipbuilding industry in the Dutch Republic

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete.  ℯ  xplicit  02:46, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting shipbuilding industry in the dutch republic


 * Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:NONDEF, none of the articles listed is specifically about the shipbuilding industry. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:26, 30 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete as empty after purging irrelevant material. Peterkingiron (talk) 23:02, 30 May 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Economic history of the Dutch Empire

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete.  ℯ  xplicit  02:46, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting economic history of the dutch empire


 * Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:OVERLAPCAT, it's not appropriate to create a Dutch Empire subcategory of a Dutch Republic category unless the Empire category has content from outside the Dutch Republic. The latter is not the case however.
 * Note (this applies to all four nominations, this one and the three above): it seems like the category creator is trying to put the articles Dutch East India Company and Dutch West India Company in as many categories as possible, not realizing that the enormous amount of category clutter at the bottom of the article isn't helpful for navigation at all. See also this yesterday's discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:52, 30 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete since there is no need to merge to the equivalent Dutch Republic category. Peterkingiron (talk) 23:04, 30 May 2017 (UTC)


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