Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 November 23



Category:4th-century establishments in Central America

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename/merge as nominated. -- Black Falcon (talk) 22:22, 26 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:4th-century establishments in Central America to Category:4th-century establishments in the Maya civilization
 * Propose merging Category:3rd-century establishments in Guatemala to Category:3rd-century establishments in the Maya civilization
 * Nominator's rationale: Establishments by continent up to 5th century were merged to worldwide categories, so there is no other Central America category before 6th century. However, we kept the hierarchy, which is missing a 4th-century category. As for Category:3rd-century establishments in Guatemala with a single member, it seems appropriate to merge this to the corresponding Maya category. – Fayenatic  L ondon 15:04, 23 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Support renaming of 4th-century category... but surely the 3rd-century category should be part of the trees of both Mayan civilisation and Guatemalan history and as such should be kept as is. Grutness... wha?   00:08, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. With respect to categorizations of establishments by modern country, discussions are going on and on about it, especially because it often concerns establishments of things that still exist in the modern country. Some past discussions are:
 * Categories_for_discussion/Log/2015_April_8
 * Categories_for_discussion/Log/2017_August_25
 * Categories_for_discussion/Log/2017_August_26 (nominated one day after the previous one, but differently closed)
 * Categories_for_discussion/Log/2017_October_9
 * By and large I think we have insufficient consensus to remove past establishments from current country trees. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:33, 26 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Support These involve imposing later ideas on the past.John Pack Lambert (talk) 22:10, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Support Merge and Delete - reduce anachronism (we cannot name past establishments by modern countries), which seems to be consensus in most such discussions.GreyShark (dibra) 07:51, 27 November 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Newspapers published in the People's Republic of China

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge and redirect. (Note: Chinese and Japanese wikipedias still maintain the distinction.) – Fayenatic  L ondon 11:57, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Newspapers published in the People's Republic of China to Category:Newspapers published in China
 * Nominator's rationale: Since PRC is redirected to China, no need to have two cat. Matthew_hk   t  c  13:28, 23 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Rename several years ago we decided China was the common name for the PRC. This has become even more the case as time has progressed.John Pack Lambert (talk) 22:11, 26 November 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Newspapers published in the Republic of China

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 11:07, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Newspapers published in the Republic of China to Category:Newspapers published in Taiwan
 * Nominator's rationale: After several discussion, Republic of China is redirected to Taiwan, while pre-1949 China was in the namespace Republic of China (1912–1949). Since inside the cat was Taiwanese newspaper only, including Kinmen Daily News and Matsu Daily that located outside Taiwan island but controlled by Taiwan (Republic of China). Matthew_hk   t  c  13:19, 23 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Support -- We had a long argument and decided that we would use Taiwan, not "Republic of China" for the present republic. Peterkingiron (talk) 00:25, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Rename since this has become standard Wikipedia usage.John Pack Lambert (talk) 22:12, 26 November 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Mammals of Benin

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge all. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:50, 9 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:Mammals of Benin to Category:Mammals of West Africa
 * Propose merging Category:Mammals of Burkina Faso to Category:Mammals of West Africa
 * Propose merging Category:Mammals of Ivory Coast to Category:Mammals of West Africa
 * Propose merging Category:Mammals of the Gambia to Category:Mammals of West Africa
 * Propose merging Category:Mammals of Ghana to Category:Mammals of West Africa
 * Propose merging Category:Mammals of Guinea to Category:Mammals of West Africa
 * Propose merging Category:Mammals of Guinea-Bissau to Category:Mammals of West Africa
 * Propose merging Category:Mammals of Liberia to Category:Mammals of West Africa
 * Propose merging Category:Mammals of Mali to Category:Mammals of West Africa
 * Propose merging Category:Mammals of Mauritania to Category:Mammals of West Africa
 * Propose merging Category:Mammals of Niger to Category:Mammals of West Africa
 * Propose merging Category:Mammals of Nigeria to Category:Mammals of West Africa
 * Propose merging Category:Mammals of Senegal to Category:Mammals of West Africa
 * Propose merging Category:Mammals of Sierra Leone to Category:Mammals of West Africa
 * Propose merging Category:Mammals of Togo to Category:Mammals of West Africa
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:NON-DEFINING - many species (e.g. Senegal bushbaby) are found in many countries. Example of similar CFD: Categories_for_discussion/Log/2016_July_23. Note: Many of these categories contain a list article which is more comprehensive than the category and is also in a country category such as Category:Lists of biota of Mali (so double-upmerge is unnecessary). DexDor(talk) 12:45, 23 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Support -- No need to split biota by country, except where they are unique to the country. Peterkingiron (talk) 00:28, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Support although I question if even the West Africa category is drawing unneccesarily close boundaries.John Pack Lambert (talk) 22:12, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Symbol question.svg Question: @DexDor, Peterkingiron, and Johnpacklambert: Should these categories also be upmerged to Category:Vertebrates of Benin, etc.? -- Black Falcon (talk) 04:28, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
 * No, if we decide to categorise articles about species of mammals by regions rather than by small (on a global scale) countries (that often aren't even mentioned in the article text) then these articles should not be upmerged to the vertebrates-of-country parents. The vertebrates-by-country categories should also be Cfded, but for logistical reasons I'm dealing with this overcategorization in manageable chunks. Also, upmerging (each time) to country categories for the next level up in the tree of life (and then deleting) would result in more watchlist noise on the articles. We could (assuming this Cfd is closed as merge) put a note on the v-of-c categories along the lines of "Mammals should not be included here - see .", but (1) the sort of editors who add these category tags to articles (many of whom are now blocked anyway) probably won't read/obey such a note, (2) we haven't generally done that with previous similar CFDs (some of which are listed here), (3) any such note would only last until that level is deleted and (4) it would add more complexity to the process of deleting these categories. DexDor(talk) 09:38, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
 * No Veribrates by country should also be eliminated. Where a species has a widespread range, providing a category for each country where it occurs creates category clutter.  The countries in question may cover several climatic zones, each with their own indigenous flora and fauna.  We might split West Africa into Tropical West Africa, the Sahel, and there may be a zone between, but the distribution of biota does not respect modern political boundaries.  Thus the category structure should follow distribution zones, not political boundaries.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:41, 7 January 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Birds of Cordillera Neovolcanica Mexico

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge all. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:54, 9 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:Birds of Cordillera Neovolcanica Mexico to Category:Birds of Mexico
 * Propose merging Category:Birds of the Baja California Peninsula to Category:Birds of Mexico
 * Propose merging Category:Migratory birds of Southern Mexico to Category:Birds of Mexico
 * Propose merging Category:Native birds of Eastern Mexico to Category:Birds of Mexico
 * Propose merging Category:Native birds of Central Mexico to Category:Birds of Mexico
 * Propose merging Category:Native birds of Northeastern Mexico to Category:Birds of Mexico
 * Propose merging Category:Native birds of Western Mexico to Category:Birds of Mexico
 * Propose merging Category:Birds of the Gulf of California to Category:Birds of Mexico
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:NON-DEFINING - most of the articles in these categories (e.g. Elf Owl or Green jay) make no mention of which parts of Mexico the species is found in. Note: After merging it may be appropriate to create subcategories e.g. for Parakeets of Mexico.  Example previous discussion: Categories_for_discussion/Log/2014_August_29. DexDor(talk) 10:52, 23 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Support -- No need to split biota by province or region, except where they are unique to the area. Peterkingiron (talk) 00:29, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Support although I question if even Mexico is too specific a geographical area.John Pack Lambert (talk) 22:13, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete These are not attested geographical areas (neither politically nor environmentally). --Couiros22 (talk) 17:35, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Symbol question.svg Question: @DexDor, Peterkingiron, Johnpacklambert, and Couiros22: Should these categories also be upmerged to Category:Fauna of the Baja California Peninsula, etc.? -- Black Falcon (talk) 04:29, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
 * No, per response in CFD above. A further reason that applies to some of these categories is this AFD. DexDor(talk) 16:21, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
 * No, for reasons given for Benin and West Africa above. If they occur only in certain regions, there can be a category for indigenous species.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:44, 7 January 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Vagrant birds of Africa

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete all.
 * Propose deleting vagrant birds of africa


 * Propose deleting Category:Vagrant birds of East Africa
 * Propose deleting Category:Vagrant birds of North Africa
 * Propose deleting Category:Vagrant birds of Southern Africa
 * Propose deleting Category:Vagrant birds of West Africa
 * Propose deleting Category:Vagrant birds of the British Isles
 * Propose deleting Category:Vagrant birds of the Americas
 * Propose deleting Category:Vagrant birds of Central America
 * Propose deleting Category:Vagrant birds of South America
 * Propose deleting Category:Vagrant birds of Antarctica
 * Propose deleting Category:Vagrant birds of Eurasia
 * Propose deleting Category:Vagrant birds of Asia
 * Propose deleting Category:Vagrant birds of East Asia
 * Propose deleting Category:Vagrant birds of South Asia
 * Propose deleting Category:Vagrant birds of Southeast Asia
 * Propose deleting Category:Vagrant birds of Western Asia
 * Propose deleting Category:Vagrant birds of Oceania
 * Nominator's rationale: From the Vagrancy (biology) article: "Vagrancy is a phenomenon in biology whereby individual animals appear well outside their normal range" (e.g. see Pine flycatcher) . That is a WP:NON-DEFINING characteristic of a bird species so these categories should be deleted. However, most of the articles that have been placed in these categories appear to be for birds that spend part of the year in the specified area - thus perhaps these categories should be merged into the corresponding Birds of (region) categories. DexDor(talk) 09:03, 23 November 2017 (UTC) DexDor(talk) 15:23, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi, the reason I chose the term "vagrant birds" was because I felt there was a need for a generic term to designate the seasonal range of any bird, i.e. wintering or summer (even though the latter are extremely rare)
 * 1. therefore perhaps a renaming such as "seasonal birds of..." or "wintering birds of..." would be more appropriate ?
 * 2. whilst also maintaining them in a separate sub-cat. of "Birds of Africa" --Couiros22 (talk) 11:31, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Are you suggesting that a category such as Category:Birds of Africa should be subdivided into birds that spend the whole year in that region and birds that only spend the winter in that region (remembering that we are trying to categorize here, not describe)? Have you asked WT:BIRDS for their thoughts on this categorization? If sub-categorization below the region is needed then isn't it better to categorize by type of bird (e.g. Category:Parrots of Africa)? DexDor(talk) 15:32, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
 * The main regional bird categories currently include a sub-category for non-native birds (neither breeding nor resident), either corresponding to their wintering or summer range ; IMO only the title "vagrant birds" should be adjusted.
 * Categories with a numerous amount of entries, e.g. Category:Birds of Sub-Saharan Africa also include bird families. --Couiros22 (talk) 19:33, 23 November 2017 (UTC)


 * delete being a vagrant in any area is not a significant characteristic of a species. Peterkingiron (talk) 00:31, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete These categories are against Wikiproject Birds policy and pointless Jimfbleak - talk to me?  06:58, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
 * @ Peterkingiron : they are not "vagrant birds", they are "wintering birds" (the issue is the title of each cat., not the content) hence what would be wrong in renaming them likewise ?
 * @ Jimfbleak : you have no pragmatic assessment :-( --Couiros22 (talk) 08:04, 24 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete we should not categorize fluke, irregular apparances of animals.John Pack Lambert (talk) 22:13, 26 November 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Beetles of France

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 19:00, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Beetles of France to Category:Endemic beetles of Metropolitan France
 * Nominator's rationale: To align with category text, parent categories and (current) content. Note: This rename would reverse an out-of-process rename. DexDor(talk) 08:29, 23 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Rename – only the 'endemic' categories have any validity for beetles in a mainland territory. Oculi (talk) 10:58, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Support -- I am surprised that there should be many that are endemic only to France. Peterkingiron (talk) 00:33, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete Being in France is not defining to the bettles. I also very strongly oppose the unsupportable attempts to treat Martinue, etc as not France. What next Category:Endemic beetles of the continental United States.John Pack Lambert (talk) 22:15, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment: I have added a banner for WikiProject Insects which may notify more editors via the Alerts service, and notified, who moved the category out-of-process with the comment follow naming convention of other country beetle categories. Let's keep this open a few more days. – Fayenatic  L ondon 11:08, 7 December 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Psalm 18

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete all. – Fayenatic  L ondon 11:01, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting psalm 18


 * Propose deleting psalm 37


 * Propose deleting psalm 85


 * Propose deleting psalm 118


 * Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:SMALLCAT, they only contain the eponymous article and a redirect to, guess what, the same eponymous article. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:39, 23 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Support -- I would have said merge, but the articles seem to be in the upmerge target. Peterkingiron (talk) 00:36, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
 * delete none of these categories contain more than one actual article.John Pack Lambert (talk) 22:16, 26 November 2017 (UTC)


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Late ancient/early medieval states and territories (dis)established by year

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. -- Black Falcon (talk) 04:31, 7 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 220 to Category:States and territories established in the 220s and Category:220 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 221 to Category:States and territories established in the 220s and Category:221 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 224 to Category:States and territories established in the 220s and Category:224 establishments


 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 229 to Category:States and territories established in the 220s and Category:229 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 250 to Category:States and territories established in the 250s and Category:250 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 260 to Category:States and territories established in the 260s and Category:260 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 265 to Category:States and territories established in the 260s and Category:265 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 285 to Category:States and territories established in the 280s and Category:285 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 286 to Category:States and territories established in the 280s and Category:286 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 295 to Category:States and territories established in the 290s and Category:295 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 296 to Category:States and territories established in the 290s and Category:296 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 298 to Category:States and territories established in the 290s and Category:298 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 301 to Category:States and territories established in the 300s and Category:301 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 304 to Category:States and territories established in the 300s and Category:304 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 310 to Category:States and territories established in the 310s and Category:310 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 314 to Category:States and territories established in the 310s and Category:314 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 319 to Category:States and territories established in the 310s and Category:319 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 320 to Category:States and territories established in the 320s and Category:320 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 330 to Category:States and territories established in the 330s and Category:330 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 337 to Category:States and territories established in the 330s and Category:337 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 345 to Category:States and territories established in the 340s and Category:345 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 347 to Category:States and territories established in the 340s and Category:347 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 350 to Category:States and territories established in the 350s and Category:350 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 351 to Category:States and territories established in the 350s and Category:351 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 369 to Category:States and territories established in the 360s and Category:369 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 384 to Category:States and territories established in the 380s and Category:384 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 385 to Category:States and territories established in the 380s and Category:385 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 386 to Category:States and territories established in the 380s and Category:386 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 388 to Category:States and territories established in the 380s and Category:388 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 390 to Category:States and territories established in the 390s and Category:390 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 397 to Category:States and territories established in the 390s and Category:397 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 398 to Category:States and territories established in the 390s and Category:398 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 400 to Category:States and territories established in the 400s and Category:400 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 405 to Category:States and territories established in the 400s and Category:405 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 407 to Category:States and territories established in the 400s and Category:407 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 409 to Category:States and territories established in the 400s and Category:409 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 410 to Category:States and territories established in the 410s and Category:410 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 411 to Category:States and territories established in the 410s and Category:411 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 415 to Category:States and territories established in the 410s and Category:415 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 418 to Category:States and territories established in the 410s and Category:418 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 420 to Category:States and territories established in the 420s and Category:420 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 445 to Category:States and territories established in the 440s and Category:445 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 450 to Category:States and territories established in the 450s and Category:450 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 477 to Category:States and territories established in the 470s and Category:477 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 479 to Category:States and territories established in the 470s and Category:479 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 493 to Category:States and territories established in the 490s and Category:493 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 500 to Category:States and territories established in the 500s and Category:500 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 512 to Category:States and territories established in the 510s and Category:512 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 518 to Category:States and territories established in the 510s and Category:518 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 519 to Category:States and territories established in the 510s and Category:519 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 528 to Category:States and territories established in the 520s and Category:528 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 536 to Category:States and territories established in the 530s and Category:536 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 568 to Category:States and territories established in the 560s and Category:568 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 570 to Category:States and territories established in the 570s and Category:570 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 584 to Category:States and territories established in the 580s and Category:584 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 588 to Category:States and territories established in the 580s and Category:588 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 590 to Category:States and territories established in the 590s and Category:590 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 610 to Category:States and territories established in the 610s and Category:610 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 629 to Category:States and territories established in the 620s and Category:629 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 640 to Category:States and territories established in the 640s and Category:640 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 651 to Category:States and territories established in the 650s and Category:651 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 653 to Category:States and territories established in the 650s and Category:653 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 669 to Category:States and territories established in the 660s and Category:669 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 680 to Category:States and territories established in the 680s and Category:680 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 697 to Category:States and territories established in the 690s and Category:697 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 698 to Category:States and territories established in the 690s and Category:697 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 699 to Category:States and territories established in the 690s and Category:699 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 708 to Category:States and territories established in the 700s and Category:708 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 717 to Category:States and territories established in the 710s and Category:717 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 736 to Category:States and territories established in the 730s and Category:736 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 737 to Category:States and territories established in the 730s and Category:737 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 744 to Category:States and territories established in the 740s and Category:744 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 751 to Category:States and territories established in the 750s and Category:751 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 775 to Category:States and territories established in the 770s and Category:775 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 787 to Category:States and territories established in the 780s and Category:787 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 788 to Category:States and territories established in the 780s and Category:788 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 795 to Category:States and territories established in the 790s and Category:795 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 802 to Category:States and territories established in the 800s and Category:802 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 821 to Category:States and territories established in the 820s and Category:821 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 840 to Category:States and territories established in the 840s and Category:840 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 851 to Category:States and territories established in the 850s and Category:851 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 855 to Category:States and territories established in the 850s and Category:855 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 867 to Category:States and territories established in the 860s and Category:867 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 872 to Category:States and territories established in the 870s and Category:872 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 877 to Category:States and territories established in the 870s and Category:877 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 885 to Category:States and territories established in the 880s and Category:885 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 888 to Category:States and territories established in the 880s and Category:888 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 889 to Category:States and territories established in the 880s and Category:889 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 896 to Category:States and territories established in the 890s and Category:896 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 901 to Category:States and territories established in the 900s and Category:901 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 908 to Category:States and territories established in the 900s and Category:908 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 909 to Category:States and territories established in the 900s and Category:909 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 910 to Category:States and territories established in the 910s and Category:910 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 926 to Category:States and territories established in the 920s and Category:926 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 927 to Category:States and territories established in the 920s and Category:927 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 932 to Category:States and territories established in the 930s and Category:932 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 936 to Category:States and territories established in the 930s and Category:936 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 937 to Category:States and territories established in the 930s and Category:937 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 939 to Category:States and territories established in the 930s and Category:939 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 947 to Category:States and territories established in the 940s and Category:947 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 948 to Category:States and territories established in the 940s and Category:948 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 950 to Category:States and territories established in the 950s and Category:950 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 973 to Category:States and territories established in the 970s and Category:973 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 979 to Category:States and territories established in the 970s and Category:979 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 981 to Category:States and territories established in the 980s and Category:981 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 990 to Category:States and territories established in the 990s and Category:990 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 502 to Category:States and territories established in the 500s
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 527 to Category:States and territories established in the 520s
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 534 to Category:States and territories established in the 530s
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 535 to Category:States and territories established in the 530s
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 543 to Category:States and territories established in the 540s
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 544 to Category:States and territories established in the 540s
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 550 to Category:States and territories established in the 550s
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 552 to Category:States and territories established in the 550s
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 557 to Category:States and territories established in the 550s
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 581 to Category:States and territories established in the 580s
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 618 to Category:States and territories established in the 610s
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 624 to Category:States and territories established in the 620s
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 632 to Category:States and territories established in the 630s
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 638 to Category:States and territories established in the 630s
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 661 to Category:States and territories established in the 660s
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 668 to Category:States and territories established in the 660s
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 681 to Category:States and territories established in the 680s
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 710 to Category:States and territories established in the 710s
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 711 to Category:States and territories established in the 710s
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 718 to Category:States and territories established in the 710s
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 721 to Category:States and territories established in the 720s
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 750 to Category:States and territories established in the 750s
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 753 to Category:States and territories established in the 750s
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 754 to Category:States and territories established in the 750s
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 756 to Category:States and territories established in the 750s
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 780 to Category:States and territories established in the 780s
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 799 to Category:States and territories established in the 790s
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 800 to Category:States and territories established in the 800s
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 804 to Category:States and territories established in the 800s
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 819 to Category:States and territories established in the 810s
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 824 to Category:States and territories established in the 820s
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 843 to Category:States and territories established in the 840s
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 846 to Category:States and territories established in the 840s
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 847 to Category:States and territories established in the 840s
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 849 to Category:States and territories established in the 840s
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 853 to Category:States and territories established in the 850s
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 861 to Category:States and territories established in the 860s
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 862 to Category:States and territories established in the 860s
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 864 to Category:States and territories established in the 860s
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 868 to Category:States and territories established in the 860s
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 876 to Category:States and territories established in the 870s
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 878 to Category:States and territories established in the 870s
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 879 to Category:States and territories established in the 870s
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 882 to Category:States and territories established in the 880s
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 890 to Category:States and territories established in the 890s
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 892 to Category:States and territories established in the 890s
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 898 to Category:States and territories established in the 890s
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 903 to Category:States and territories established in the 900s
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 907 to Category:States and territories established in the 900s
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 911 to Category:States and territories established in the 910s
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 917 to Category:States and territories established in the 910s
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 918 to Category:States and territories established in the 910s
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 919 to Category:States and territories established in the 910s
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 920 to Category:States and territories established in the 920s
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 923 to Category:States and territories established in the 920s
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 924 to Category:States and territories established in the 920s
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 929 to Category:States and territories established in the 920s
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 930 to Category:States and territories established in the 930s
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 933 to Category:States and territories established in the 930s
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 934 to Category:States and territories established in the 930s
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 938 to Category:States and territories established in the 930s
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 941 to Category:States and territories established in the 940s
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 942 to Category:States and territories established in the 940s
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 951 to Category:States and territories established in the 950s
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 953 to Category:States and territories established in the 950s
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 959 to Category:States and territories established in the 950s
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 960 to Category:States and territories established in the 960s
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 961 to Category:States and territories established in the 960s
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 962 to Category:States and territories established in the 960s
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 965 to Category:States and territories established in the 960s
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 967 to Category:States and territories established in the 960s
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 970 to Category:States and territories established in the 970s
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 976 to Category:States and territories established in the 970s
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 980 to Category:States and territories established in the 980s
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 982 to Category:States and territories established in the 980s
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 987 to Category:States and territories established in the 980s
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 992 to Category:States and territories established in the 990s
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 995 to Category:States and territories established in the 990s
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 997 to Category:States and territories established in the 990s
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories established in 999 to Category:States and territories established in the 990s and Category:999 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories disestablished in 534 to Category:States and territories disestablished in the 530s and Category:534 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories disestablished in 535 to Category:States and territories disestablished in the 530s and Category:535 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories disestablished in 539 to Category:States and territories disestablished in the 530s and Category:539 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories disestablished in 651 to Category:States and territories disestablished in the 7th century and Category:651 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories disestablished in 888 to Category:States and territories disestablished in the 880s and Category:888 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:States and territories disestablished in 960 to Category:States and territories disestablished in the 960s


 * Nominator's rationale: merge to decade level per WP:SMALLCAT, many of these categories contain only one or two articles. Note: some of the categories are listed here with only one merge target, that is because the articles in these categories are already in a Category:YYY establishments in Europe or Category:YYY establishments in Asia category. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:16, 23 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment: Like the precedent Categories_for_discussion/Log/2016_June_3, this would require changes to templates, as these categories are mainly populated via Template:Infobox former country. I don't know who did the change before; I can't see it in the history of that template, but perhaps it was a sub-template. – Fayenatic  L ondon 22:46, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Support -- Another case of category twigs (not trees). Peterkingiron (talk) 00:39, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Merge There is no evidence these categories will ever become reasonably large.John Pack Lambert (talk) 22:17, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Support merge into both States and territories decade categories and appropriate establishments by year cats (where many of the articles started out at). Greenshed (talk) 03:15, 30 December 2017 (UTC)


 * The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * Note on implementation: I think Template:Infobox former country/autocat will automatically use the decade category once the year category is deleted. – Fayenatic  L ondon 23:11, 13 January 2018 (UTC)