Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 October 10



Category:Starset

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete.  ℯ  xplicit  06:39, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting starset


 * Nominator's rationale: Another eponymous category for a musical group that falls short of the need to have it. WP:OCEPON -- Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 23:41, 10 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. There is not enough material at this time to warrant an eponymous category—just the main article, navigation template (Starset) and the standard album and songs subcategories. -- Black Falcon (talk) 03:08, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep enough songs, nearly enough albums. gidonb (talk) 04:53, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete per abundant precedent. The number of songs is irrelevant, they are in a category together anyway. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:08, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
 * The relative amount of songs (never went into numeric specifics) is extremely relevant as it is legitimate and navigationally helpful to tie that well-populated category of songs by Starset to the Starset article through a category system. gidonb (talk) 17:40, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
 * A tie, yes, but not necessarily through the category system. The navigation template is more suitable for that purpose. -- Black Falcon (talk) 04:14, 29 October 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Music in Christian worship

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 * The result of the discussion was: Symbol move vote.svg Relisted at Categories for discussion/Log/2017 October 22. -- Black Falcon (talk) 05:26, 22 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:Music in Christian worship to Category:Church music
 * Nominator's rationale: downmerge, the scope of the two categories is largely overlapping and Church music seems to be a better name, per article Church music. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:07, 10 October 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Ottoman Jews by city

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. -- Black Falcon (talk) 03:38, 22 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:Ottoman Jews by city to Category:Jews of the Ottoman Empire
 * Nominator's rationale: upmerge as an unneeded category layer, containing only two subcats. (Initially I was considering nominating the category for deletion, as the two subcategories don't seem to be Ottoman per se. But the large amount of biographies is from the Ottoman era after all.) Marcocapelle (talk) 16:31, 10 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Inter&#38;anthro (talk) 03:48, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Merge -- target is better. Ottoman refers to the ruling family, one of whom were Jewish.  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:14, 15 October 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Mexican Secretaries of Communications

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename.  ℯ  xplicit  06:39, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Mexican Secretaries of Communications to Category:Mexican Secretaries of Communications and Transportation
 * Nominator's rationale: Incorrectly named category for holders of a cabinet position in the government of Mexico. The ministry is called the Secretariat of Communications and Transportation (Mexico), not just the "Secretariat of Communications", so the category for the ministers needs to match. Bearcat (talk) 15:39, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Question: should the official title really matter? Names of ministries seem to change all the time, for example one of the people in this category has been a Secretary of Commerce and Public Works. We could alternatively have categories for "Ministers regarding infrastucture" in every country, with a lowercase i. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:24, 17 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom (for now), per the convention of Category:Cabinet of Mexico. However, I agree with Marcocapelle that Communications ministers of Mexico and Transport ministers of Mexico would be better in the long run. -- Black Falcon (talk) 03:14, 23 October 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Brain transplant in fiction

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename.  ℯ  xplicit  06:39, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Brain transplant in fiction to Category:Brain transplantation in fiction
 * Nominator's rationale: This move was proposed by User:Nicholas0 but improperly listed. I also support the move as proper grammar. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 10:02, 10 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Procedural oppose, if a rename is needed it should start with having another RM regarding the title of the article Brain transplant. During the previous RM nobody came up with the suggestion to change transplant into transplantation. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:04, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. In the case of this [Topic] in fiction category, the topic is brain transplantation, not brain transplant (singular). The issue of the article name is, in my view, separate—though I will likely move the article accordingly to align with Organ transplantation (I don't think another RM is needed). -- Black Falcon (talk) 03:06, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Rename as explained by Black Falcon and in accordance with the categories Category:Organ transplantation, Category:Organ transplantation in fiction, and Category:Transplantation medicine as well as the templates Template:Organ transplantation and Template:Organ transplantation in fiction.--Nicholas0 (talk) 22:33, 24 October 2017 (UTC)


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Category:All redirect templates

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. -- Black Falcon (talk) 05:24, 22 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:All redirect templates to Category:Redirect templates
 * Nominator's rationale: Pointless hidden category that contains content identical to Category:Redirect templates and isn't sortkeyed Pariah24 (talk) 00:45, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ℯ  xplicit  06:42, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
 * inclined to delete The only thing I see that this category does is provide something a way to look at all of these in a single category rather than having to traverse a tree. I'm dubious as to whether this is actually helpful. Mangoe (talk) 19:10, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep. When there's a category tree, it's sometimes helpful to have all of the tree's contents in a single place as well as dividing them up among the subcategories.  That's what this is doing.  For example, a bot might be instructed to perform an action on all redirect templates, and instead of having to go through the subcategories and perhaps encountering the same template twice or accidentally missing one entirely, it can just load this category and get all of the redirect templates from one place.  Nyttend (talk) 20:21, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
 * PS, sometimes it helps to know how many pages are in a category tree. This category provides that ability instantly for its tree: you don't have to add up the contents of the subcategories, and it avoids the problem of double-counting duplicates.  Nyttend (talk) 22:05, 11 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Template:Category tree all/Merge I just added Template:Category tree all to the top of Category:Redirect templates. This has two advantages:
 * 1 It removes the category clutter saw which was the basis of this nomination.
 * 2 It provides a more accurate total count of the pages for with less maintenance. (Notice that the category incorrectly misses 7 of the 242 articles while the template catches them all.)
 * Win/win. RevelationDirect (talk) 09:56, 12 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Merge, with RD's recent improvement the keep argument is no longer relevant. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:08, 17 October 2017 (UTC)


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