Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 September 1



Category:Hispanic and Latino American female models

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 06:32, 30 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Hispanic and Latino American female models to Category:Hispanic and Latina American female models
 * Nominator's rationale: This category includes only female subjects, so the category should be renamed so that it uses "Latina" instead of "Latino". &thinsp;&mdash; Mr. Guye (talk) (contribs)&thinsp; 23:41, 1 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Rename as proposed. Correct usage neeeded.  Cravin Chillies  11:47, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. I am skeptical if such a category is fully justified, but that is for consideration at another time.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:35, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Strong oppose on procedural grounds. I am neutral on the o/a issue, but this category is part of the 'Hispanic and Latino American women' category tree, which consistently uses "Latino" throughout. Renaming as proposed would put this one category out of alignment with the rest of the category tree. This change, if desired, should start at the top-level category and work down, not the other way around. -- Black Falcon (talk) 05:41, 17 September 2017 (UTC)


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Category:North Sea Germanic peoples

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep, with a nod toward consideration of renaming the main article, per Marcocapelle. -- Black Falcon (talk) 19:27, 17 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting north sea germanic peoples


 * Nominator's rationale: This category seems contrived and ill-defined and confused as to whether it regards peoples or languages (I have just removed Scots language but there are numerous similarly ill-fitting inclusions). Mutt Lunker (talk) 19:53, 1 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep. The North Sea Germanic peoples, also known as the Ingaevones, were a group of Germanic tribes sharing a common culture and, possibly, language. Among the tribes assigned by scholars to this group are the Cimbri, Teutons, Chauci, Frisii, Saxons, Jutes and Angles; in fact pretty well all the tribes that are currently included in this category. Read the article and this'll become clear. If you think some of them are "ill-fitting" you should address that in the articles concerned, not delete the entire category. I've now removed the other languages spoken by this people group so that should solve the problem. --Bermicourt (talk) 20:06, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep per the Ingaevone factor.  Cravin Chillies  11:46, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment As the category stood at my initial encountering of it, many of the now-removed inclusions clearly had no pertinence to the category as it has now been outlined, obscuring its now-purported intention. With the removal of the inappropriate inclusions, the category appears more plausible. Mutt Lunker (talk) 12:08, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete You might just as well call them "Russian steppes Germanic peoples". That's where they originated and spent most of their time. So they dallied for a time around the North Sea. Big deal. They later moved inland. Must we open categories for all their temporary resting places? Laurel Lodged (talk) 14:26, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep per the arguments of Bermicourt. Historic grouping. Dimadick (talk) 22:47, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Rename to Category:Ingaevones per main article. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:38, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment. "North Sea Germanic" is part of a recognised way of classifying Germanic tribes (the others being "North Germanic", "Elbe Germanic", "Weser-Rhine Germanic" and "East Germanic") used by scholars based on archaeological evidence. By contrast the "Ingaevones" were a tribe named by the Romans that may be the same group. For consistency, I'd recommend sticking with North Sea Germanic for now. Bermicourt (talk) 18:17, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
 * While this sounds fair, it would then also be reasonable to rename the main article. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:51, 16 September 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Liberal-conservative parties by country

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 03:36, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Liberal-conservative parties by country to Category:Liberal conservative parties by country
 * Nominator's rationale: TBH, I can't figure out whether "liberal conservative" is a compound modifier. If it is, then the hyphen is needed, see WP:HYPHEN, and we should reverse a bunch of renamings passed unopposed at Categories_for_discussion/Log/2017_August_1, where this "by country" one was omitted. Otherwise, this should be changed to match the others, and we should remove the hyphens used in headings of lists within articles such as Liberal conservatism and Conservative liberalism. – Fayenatic  L ondon 13:55, 1 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Pinging the nominator of the prior discussion user:Charles Essie as a courtesy. – Fayenatic  L ondon 13:55, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Support move: I forgot about that one. If I hadn't, it would've been included in the previous discussion. Charles Essie (talk) 17:32, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Rename as proposed. Consistency.  Cravin Chillies  17:33, 1 September 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Co-operative Party

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 * The result of the discussion was: Symbol move vote.svg Relisted to CfD 2017 Sep 17. -- Black Falcon (talk) 19:32, 17 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Co-operative Party to Category:Co-operative Party (UK) (over redirect)
 * Propose renaming Category:Co-operative Party MEPs to Category:Co-operative Party (UK) MEPs (this one is only a redirect to Category:Labour Co-operative MEPs)
 * Propose renaming Category:Co-operative Party politicians to Category:Co-operative Party (UK) politicians (over redirect)


 * Nominator's rationale: This was recently renamed under WP:C2D per primary topic Co-operative Party. However, this is highly ambiguous, see Co-operative Party (disambiguation). Category:Co-operative Party and Category:Co-operative Party politicians should be category disambiguation pages. – Fayenatic  L ondon 13:30, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia seems to think it is the primary topic. Otherwise the name of the article would be Co-operative Party (UK). If you feel ambiguity is a problem (and it may very well be) I would recommend starting a move discussion on the article's talk page before we reopen this discussion. Charles Essie (talk) 17:28, 1 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Oppose all. The Co-operative Party, in alignment with Labour, fulfils an important role in British politics and must remain the primary topic at both article and category level. There are no comparable parties elsewhere so use of (UK) is superfluous.  Cravin Chillies  17:30, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep -- Unless someone will point to a similarly named party elsewhere. Peterkingiron (talk) 12:55, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Support, otherwise some day the non-British Co-operative parties will be added to this category as well. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:50, 9 September 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Sugar industry in the UK

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 03:51, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Sugar industry in the UK to Category:Sugar industry in the United Kingdom
 * Nominator's rationale: Full name of the country Shyamsunder (talk) 10:01, 1 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Support – subcat of Category:Industry in the United Kingdom. Oculi (talk) 12:48, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Rename as proposed. Name should always be in full when used in a title.  Cravin Chillies  17:12, 1 September 2017 (UTC)


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