Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 September 12



Category:Rescue of Jews in the Holocaust

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure)  f  e  minist  10:47, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Rescue of Jews in the Holocaust to Category:Rescue of Jews during the Holocaust
 * Nominator's rationale: It might just be me, but "during" sounds much better to my ear than "in". All of the article titles containing similar phrasing use "during": 1, 2, 3, 4. (Category creator not notified: inactive) -- Black Falcon (talk) 21:53, 12 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Support - the Holocaust was a historical event, not a location, so "during" sounds better. One would talk about saving Jews in Nazi Germany, but during the Holocaust. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 03:00, 14 September 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Futsal teams in Castile and León

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 * The result of the discussion was: relisted, see here. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:02, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Futsal teams in Castile and León to Category:Futsal clubs in Castile and León
 * Nominator's rationale: Each article's opening sentence describes the subject as a "futsal club", so the convention of Category:Futsal clubs in Spain (part of Category:Futsal clubs) should take precedence over the convention of Category:Sports teams in Castile and León. (Category creator notified using Template:Cfd-notify) -- Black Falcon (talk) 21:46, 12 September 2017 (UTC)


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Catholic schools

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename as nominated, and retain category redirects. -- Black Falcon (talk) 02:12, 2 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools to Category:Catholic schools
 * Propose renaming Category:Lists of Roman Catholic schools to Category:Lists of Catholic schools
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools by order to Category:Catholic schools by order
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic teaching institutes to Category:Catholic teaching institutes
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in Australia to Category:Catholic schools in Australia
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in Austria to Category:Catholic schools in Austria
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in Bangladesh to Category:Catholic schools in Bangladesh


 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in Belgium to Category:Catholic schools in Belgium
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in Belize to Category:Catholic schools in Belize
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in Botswana to Category:Catholic schools in Botswana
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in Brazil to Category:Catholic schools in Brazil
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in Brunei to Category:Catholic schools in Brunei
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in Canada to Category:Catholic schools in Canada
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in Chile to Category:Catholic schools in Chile
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in China to Category:Catholic schools in China
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in Hong Kong to Category:Catholic schools in Hong Kong
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in Macau to Category:Catholic schools in Macau
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in Colombia to Category:Catholic schools in Colombia
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in Croatia to Category:Catholic schools in Croatia
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in the Czech Republic to Category:Catholic schools in the Czech Republic
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in Denmark to Category:Catholic schools in Denmark
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in the Dominican Republic to Category:Catholic schools in the Dominican Republic
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in Egypt to Category:Catholic schools in Egypt
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in El Salvador to Category:Catholic schools in El Salvador
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in Fiji to Category:Catholic schools in Fiji
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in France to Category:Catholic schools in France
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in Germany to Category:Catholic schools in Germany
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in Ghana to Category:Catholic schools in Ghana
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in Guyana to Category:Catholic schools in Guyana
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in Haiti to Category:Catholic schools in Haiti
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in India to Category:Catholic schools in India
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in Indonesia to Category:Catholic schools in Indonesia
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in Ireland to Category:Catholic schools in Ireland
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in Italy to Category:Catholic schools in Italy
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in Jamaica to Category:Catholic schools in Jamaica
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in Japan to Category:Catholic schools in Japan
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in Jordan to Category:Catholic schools in Jordan
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in Kenya to Category:Catholic schools in Kenya
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in Lithuania to Category:Catholic schools in Lithuania
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in Malaysia to Category:Catholic schools in Malaysia
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in Malta to Category:Catholic schools in Malta
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in Mauritius to Category:Catholic schools in Mauritius
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in Mexico to Category:Catholic schools in Mexico
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in Namibia to Category:Catholic schools in Namibia
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in New Zealand to Category:Catholic schools in New Zealand
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in Nigeria to Category:Catholic schools in Nigeria
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in Lagos to Category:Catholic schools in Lagos
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in Pakistan to Category:Catholic schools in Pakistan
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in Paraguay to Category:Catholic schools in Paraguay
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in Peru to Category:Catholic schools in Peru
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in the Philippines to Category:Catholic schools in the Philippines
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in Portugal to Category:Catholic schools in Portugal
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in Sierra Leone to Category:Catholic schools in Sierra Leone
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in Singapore to Category:Catholic schools in Singapore
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in Slovakia to Category:Catholic schools in Slovakia
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in South Africa to Category:Catholic schools in South Africa
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in South Korea to Category:Catholic schools in South Korea
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in Spain to Category:Catholic schools in Spain
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in Sri Lanka to Category:Catholic schools in Sri Lanka
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in Thailand to Category:Catholic schools in Thailand
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in Trinidad and Tobago to Category:Catholic schools in Trinidad and Tobago
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in the United Arab Emirates to Category:Catholic schools in the United Arab Emirates
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in the United Kingdom to Category:Catholic schools in the United Kingdom
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in the United States to Category:Catholic schools in the United States
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in Uruguay to Category:Catholic schools in Uruguay
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in Zimbabwe to Category:Catholic schools in Zimbabwe
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools by continent to Category:Catholic schools by continent
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in Africa to Category:Catholic schools in Africa
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in Asia to Category:Catholic schools in Asia
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in Europe to Category:Catholic schools in Europe
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in North America to Category:Catholic schools in North America
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in Oceania to Category:Catholic schools in Oceania
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in South America to Category:Catholic schools in South America
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in Guam to Category:Catholic schools in Guam
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in Puerto Rico to Category:Catholic schools in Puerto Rico
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in the United States Virgin Islands to Category:Catholic schools in the United States Virgin Islands
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in California to Category:Catholic schools in California
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in Connecticut to Category:Catholic schools in Connecticut
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in Florida to Category:Catholic schools in Florida
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in Illinois to Category:Catholic schools in Illinois
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in Kansas to Category:Catholic schools in Kansas
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in Kentucky to Category:Catholic schools in Kentucky
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in Louisiana to Category:Catholic schools in Louisiana
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in Maryland to Category:Catholic schools in Maryland
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in Massachusetts to Category:Catholic schools in Massachusetts
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in Michigan to Category:Catholic schools in Michigan
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in Montana to Category:Catholic schools in Montana
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in New Jersey to Category:Catholic schools in New Jersey
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in New York (state) to Category:Catholic schools in New York (state)
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in New York City to Category:Catholic schools in New York City
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in North Carolina to Category:Catholic schools in North Carolina
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in Ohio to Category:Catholic schools in Ohio
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in Oklahoma to Category:Catholic schools in Oklahoma
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in Pennsylvania to Category:Catholic schools in Pennsylvania
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in South Carolina to Category:Catholic schools in South Carolina
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in Texas to Category:Catholic schools in Texas
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in Houston to Category:Catholic schools in Houston
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in Utah to Category:Catholic schools in Utah
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in Virginia to Category:Catholic schools in Virginia
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in Washington (state) to Category:Catholic schools in Washington (state)
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in West Virginia to Category:Catholic schools in West Virginia
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic schools in Wisconsin to Category:Catholic schools in Wisconsin


 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:Consistency with articles Catholic school and Catholic higher education, as well as with Category:Catholic schools by country Category:Catholic universities and colleges by country (recently renamed after CFR), Catholic Church, Category:Catholic Church, Category:Catholic Church by country, Talk:Catholic Church in Armenia, etc. Moreover, "Roman" is not used as a disambiguator in this case, as stated here. --Grabado (talk) 07:33, 10 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Support. Nothing to add, really. Chicbyaccident (talk) 19:32, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Support A lot done. A lot more to be done. Laurel Lodged (talk) 19:41, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Support. Makes the categories easier to use. I just hope that after they are moved, the old "Roman" category titles will be Category redirected to their current targets so tools like HotCat understand.&thinsp;&mdash; Mr. Guye (talk) (contribs)&thinsp; 06:29, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I agree with that and also think the same procedure should be done with for instance Category:Roman Catholic Church in the Caribbean part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands, after similar previous moves. Chicbyaccident (talk) 08:59, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Support per nom -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:51, 27 September 2017 (UTC)


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Centuries in international relations

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus.  ℯ  xplicit  05:40, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:10th century BC in international relations to Category:10th century BC and Category:Ancient international relations
 * Propose merging Category:9th century BC in international relations to Category:9th century BC and Category:Ancient international relations
 * Propose merging Category:8th century BC in international relations to Category:8th century BC and Category:Ancient international relations
 * Propose merging Category:7th century BC in international relations to Category:7th century BC and Category:Ancient international relations


 * Propose merging Category:6th century BC in international relations to Category:6th century BC and Category:Ancient international relations
 * Propose merging Category:5th century BC in international relations to Category:5th century BC and Category:Ancient international relations
 * Propose merging Category:4th century BC in international relations to Category:4th century BC and Category:Ancient international relations
 * Propose merging Category:3rd century BC in international relations to Category:3rd century BC and Category:Ancient international relations
 * Propose merging Category:2nd century BC in international relations to Category:2nd century BC and Category:Ancient international relations
 * Propose merging Category:1st century BC in international relations to Category:1st century BC and Category:Ancient international relations
 * Propose merging Category:1st century in international relations to Category:1st century and Category:Ancient international relations
 * Propose merging Category:2nd century in international relations to Category:2nd century and Category:Ancient international relations
 * Propose merging Category:3rd century in international relations to Category:3rd century and Category:Ancient international relations
 * Propose merging Category:4th century in international relations to Category:4th century and Category:Ancient international relations
 * Propose merging Category:5th century in international relations to Category:5th century and Category:Ancient international relations
 * Propose merging Category:6th century in international relations to Category:6th century and Category:Medieval international relations
 * Propose merging Category:7th century in international relations to Category:7th century and Category:Medieval international relations
 * Propose merging Category:8th century in international relations to Category:8th century and Category:Medieval international relations
 * Propose merging Category:9th century in international relations to Category:9th century and Category:Medieval international relations
 * Propose merging Category:10th century in international relations to Category:10th century and Category:Medieval international relations
 * Propose merging Category:11th century in international relations to Category:11th century in politics and Category:Medieval international relations


 * Propose merging Category:12th century in international relations to Category:12th century in politics and Category:Medieval international relations
 * Propose merging Category:13th century in international relations to Category:13th century in politics and Category:Medieval international relations
 * Nominator's rationale: upmerge per WP:SMALLCAT, these categories mostly consist of two subcategories (conflicts and treaties) and none or one or maybe two single articles. The five early medieval categories together even share just one single article, namely Pax Khazarica, and the three high medieval categories have a handful of articles together. After this merge, the centuries categories of International relations will start in the 14th century at the same point in time as Category:Diplomatic conferences by century. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:31, 12 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Support Not very enthusiastic about the early medieval proposals but can live with it for the present. Laurel Lodged (talk) 19:44, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment -- While many of these have no articles, they are parenting categories for diplomats, treaties and conflicts, this suggests that they are fulfilling a useful role as container categories. I am not sure that a politics target is appropriate, since that is usually about internal affairs, not international ones; I may be wrong.  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:45, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
 * With respect to the latter comment, international relations may well be read as international politics, certainly in the case of these nominated ancient and medieval categories. So politics isn't a bad parent category or a bad merge target. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:21, 18 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep as a useful container category, deleting would hinder navigation to those uncertain of the terms ancient and medieval. Tim! (talk) 16:56, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Ancient and medieval categories exist all over Wikipedia, this can't be a serious problem. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:21, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
 * They exist, as an additional term, not as a complete replacement for concrete century categories. Tim! (talk) 17:17, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes they do, for example Category:Medieval armour and there are many more. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:26, 27 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep per the arguments by Tim! Personally, Marcocapelle's recent mergers and deletions of categories keep making it harder for me to actually locate articles. Dimadick (talk) 06:32, 9 October 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Prince Edward Island road stubs

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 * The result of the discussion was: upmerge to Category:Canada road stubs and Category:Prince Edward Island stubs. -- Black Falcon (talk) 00:30, 1 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting prince edward island road stubs


 * Nominator's rationale: As noted by one of the project workers, there really aren't enough articles to fill a category here. Since  currently contains only about 200 articles, there's no need for this split at this time.  Propose deleting the category.  Keep the template but double-merge up to  and . Dawynn (talk) 13:45, 12 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep - I think I'm the project worker mentioned, there aren't many editors active in WP:PEI. Although I've mostly only worked with the PEI categories, it would be my preference for all of the Canadian road stubs to be sub-categorized by province wherever possible, even though some of the resulting categories will be underpopulated. Canada is a very large place: an editor working on Prince Edward Island topics probably doesn't have easy access to resources on Manitoba topics, for example, or even New Brunswick or Nova Scotia which are very nearby. To an editor, scrolling a flat list of every road stub in the country is grossly inefficient. The larger list is partially sorted due to standards in provincial highway naming, but many of the roads in that list are not numbered highways, and so they benefit from being sub-categorized by province in this way. Note also that PEI is Canada's smallest province and has around 400 numbered and named roads, though few of them should have articles; the other provinces which don't have these sub-categories (BC, ON, NL) likely constitute thousands of additional roads, though they either don't currently have articles or are not stub-tagged.
 * tl;dr: keep because sub-categorization by province is inherently useful, per WP:SMALLCAT. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 14:19, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Note - if the result of this discussion is upmerging, all that is required is to edit PrinceEdwardIsland-road-stub to adjust the categories of the tagged pages. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 14:16, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Struck: this note applies to a different category. Never mind. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 13:14, 24 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep for technical reasons. The template banners for WP:CANADA and WP:CARD make use of this category and to eliminate it would require updating a fair bit of coding. -  Floydian  τ ¢  18:40, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Double upmerge category - we generally only use stub ctegories where 50-60 stubs are present for it; here, a scan finds that even its parent stub category, for all transpotation-related aricles of Prince Edward Island, would only have 33 sdtubs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Od Mishehu (talk • contribs) 03:06, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep per Ivanvector and Floydian. Also, at the time that this comment was posted, there are 32 pages inside Category:Prince Edward Island road stubs. That's enough for me to decide that the category & stub template are both worth it.&thinsp;&mdash; Mr. Guye (talk) (contribs)&thinsp; 06:40, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete with no prejudice against re-creating if and when the category grows to reasonable size., , and : stub categories do not follow WP:SMALLCAT, as they are primarily used by editors, not people looking for article information. The usual size limit is 60 articles. What's more, the pages which Floydian mentions do not link to this category on their template banners, though they do link to WikiProject Stub-Class assessment categories, which makes perfect sense. WP:PROJSTUB should explain why these are more appropriate than a Wikipedia-wide stub category. Grutness...wha?  07:50, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Double upmerge per nom. Grutness makes a good point, the templates mentioned by Floydian make use of Category:Stub-Class Prince Edward Island road transport articles, a separate assessment tracking category that's part of a larger system of tracking categories, and which I seem to have confused with the category we're talking about here. Take my comments above as applying to the assessment category. While assessment categorization by province is inherently useful regardless of the size of the category (there are many with one or fewer members) I agree that's not really the case for reader-facing categories. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 13:29, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Upmerge as per above. I confused this category with the project stub-class articles category. Reader-visible categories on articles should be somewhat broad rather than endlessly narrowed. -  Floydian  τ ¢  14:51, 17 September 2017 (UTC)


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Schoolteachers by school

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete Category:Saint-Jean de Passy teachers and no consensus on Category:Schoolteachers by school, without prejudice against a broader discussion/nomination. -- Black Falcon (talk) 18:07, 8 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting schoolteachers by school


 * Propose deleting saint-jean de passy teachers
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT, each individual school category (though only one is currently extant) would have very limited potential for growth, and given the existence of Category:Schoolteachers by nationality is an overly granular categorisation. I have nominated the umbrella category as well. Triptothecottage (talk) 09:41, 12 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Comments – there are quite a few categories of teachers by school, eg in Category:English schoolteachers (although a teacher in a school in England is not necessarily English). I don't see why an individual school category should necessarily be limited (eg Category:The Hill School faculty). Oculi (talk) 11:59, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * comment The whole schoolteacher structure is heavily populated by people who are famous for something else, and in some cases for not being school teachers anymore. There are some substructures which are exceptions (e.g. the headmasters of famous schools categories) but by and large I'm doubtful that this categorization should be retained. Mangoe (talk) 15:45, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I think I understand what you meant, but then why are there "Faculty by university or college" subcategories? University or college professors should not be more famous than schoolteachers for the time that they spend teaching in these institutions, but "for something else" (articles which they write, work which they do along teaching, etc.). Paris91 (talk) 16:18, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * As a rule, college faculty are known for work in the larger sphere of their work at the university; being faculty implies that thy teach but it isn't the be-all and end-all of their positions. As a rule that is not the case for teachers at primary and secondary schools. Mangoe (talk) 15:19, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep. I fail to grasp the impotentiality for growth of "Schoolteachers by school" subcategories when I can presently find fewer pages in the "Schoolteachers by ethnicity" subcategories. Paris91 (talk) 15:56, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete Saint-Jean de Passy teachers subcategory/Keep Parent Category for Now The single article in Saint-Jean de Passy isn't aiding navigation and is unlikely to grow in the near future. So long as there 7 other child categories, the Category:Schoolteachers by school should remain to group them. RevelationDirect (talk) 23:52, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete Saint-Jean de Passy teachers subcategory/Keep Parent Category for Now as a temporary solution. I think that User:Paris91 makes a very fair observation that neither for school teachers, nor for university faculty members, the place of working is particularly defining, also because they may well move from one institute to another. But it will require a broader nomination to sort that out. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:23, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep -- Most of the schools in question seem to have at least five articles, which is the normal minimum for a category. I would not want this to be an excuse for a faculty category for every school, but if the category can be populated (and is not trivial or contrary to other policies e.g. category clutter) we should allow it.  There is a distinction with universities in that their staff commonly engage in and publish their research.  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:52, 17 September 2017 (UTC)


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Critics per opinion, not professional media critics

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep.  ℯ  xplicit  05:40, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:OPINIONCAT the following critics-of categories:
 * Category:Critics of Afrocentrism
 * Category:Critics of alternative medicine
 * Category:Critics of animal rights
 * Category:Critics of Arab nationalism
 * Category:Critics of atheism
 * Category:Critics of conspiracy theories
 * Category:Critics of creationism
 * Category:Critics of the United Nations
 * Category:Critics of the European Union
 * Category:Critics of feminism
 * Category:Critics of classical liberalism
 * Category:Critics of Marxism
 * Category:Critics of multiculturalism
 * Category:Critics of neoconservatism
 * Category:Critics of Objectivism (Ayn Rand)
 * Category:Critics of postmodernism
 * Category:Critics of religions
 * Category:Critics of Wikipedia
 * Category:Critics of work and the work ethic
 * Edited to include sub-subcats:
 * Category:Critics of Buddhism
 * Category:Critics of Sōka Gakkai
 * Category:Critics of Christianity
 * Category:Critics of the Catholic Church
 * Category:Critics of Christian Science
 * Category:Critics of Jehovah's Witnesses
 * Category:Critics of Mormonism
 * Category:Critics of deism
 * Category:Critics of Islam
 * Category:Critics of Shia Islam
 * Category:Critics of Sunni Islam
 * Category:Critics of Judaism
 * Category:Critics of new religious movements
 * Category:Critics of the Family International
 * Category:Critics of Falun Gong
 * Category:Critics of Sathya Sai Baba
 * Category:Critics of Scientology
 * Category:Critics of the Unification Church
 * Category:Male critics of feminism
 * Category:Female critics of feminism
 * Rationale: These are merely someone who has an opinion (in this case negative) about something. Category:Critics also includes professional media critics such as Category:Film critics—someone who has some sustained opinions and perspective about a medium or genre and has something important to say about that in a career. That's very different than just thinking that Wikipedia or Afrocentrism are a bad idea and OPNIONCAT is explicitly about how this is a bad idea. If really necessary, listify these opinion-as-critic categories. I also recommend adding some copy at Category:Critics that the category scheme is intended for someone who has a perspective on an artistic venture rather than just "detractor of [x]". ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 04:01, 12 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment I've checked a number of articles in Category:Critics of religions and agree that many articles don't belong here because criticism of religion merely concerns a non-defining opinion, or it is not exactly criticism (rather neutral scholarship), or it is not exactly against religion (rather against right wing politics). But on the other hand for example Adriaan Koerbagh does belong here so I wonder if we shouldn't just purge these categories, based on definingness. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:11, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Sure, by definition a political conservative is almost inevitably a critic of the EU, Marxism, and the UN. There are are plenty of persons who have strong feelings opposed to some trend but categorizing them as such? That seems like massive overhead for no real payoff. If someone is particularly notable for having a position against [x], then a list would suffice--just link it in a see also section. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:38, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
 * You may be right. While reviewing this Category:Critics of religions again, I notice that many of the critics of religion are atheists who are in a category within the atheist tree anyway. And for the other critics in the category, who are less easy to group together (insofar criticism of religion is defining for them at all), a list may be a better solution indeed.
 * Note by the way that none of the subcategories of Category:Critics of religions have been nominated. I don't think that it's appropriate to delete the parent while keeping the child categories, like Category:Critics of Christianity etc. But if all of this (including the subcats) would become listified, the checking of those lists is going to be a massive amount of work...
 * Finally note that I haven't even looked into the other nominated categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:19, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks--you are obviously correct that all of these should have been marked. Looking at them, I can see how absurd some of these are: Category:Critics of deism (not a religion), Category:Critics of Falun Gong (which tacitly includes every Communist Party member since 1993...), Category:Critics of feminism (which is sex-segregated!), and Category:Critics of Shia Islam/Category:Critics of Sunni Islam which one would think would contain virtually any member of clergy of the other huge branch (and maybe Ibadis in both?) This seems so unwieldy and such a bad idea. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:37, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I've just removed a few entries from Category:Critics of religions per WP:SUBCAT because they were in subcategories (eg Crititcs of Christianity). I suspect that I could remove a lot more of them from the parent cat, but I'll wait and see if there's any comments here first. Mitch Ames (talk) 02:25, 25 September 2017 (UTC)


 * keep Category:Critics of postmodernism as the members are known for being opponents of the idea. I don't see how one can characterize someone like Jacques Derrida as a proponent and not characterize someone like Harold Bloom who has made a name as an opponent. Mangoe (talk) 18:55, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
 * How does this not contradict WP:OPINIONCAT? ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 07:11, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
 * WP:DEFINING, it seems to me, has a higher priority. There's a difference between someone who at some time or another has expressed a negative option about something, and those who have made a career of such opposition. In the case of post-modernism it's distinctly unfair to give its proponents (which, from one perspective, could be considered WP:OPINIONCATing anyway) a category but then deny its opponents the same recognition. Mangoe (talk) 14:32, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep most -- In some cases "critics of" has been adopted in preference to another term that was considered inappropriate or abusive. The contents should however be limited to those who actively criticise.  I am a Christian and am therefore a critic of Islam; if I were not, I might well have become a Muslim, but I am not active as such or known for it, so that this would be a NN characteristic, if I had a WP article to be categorised.  Others have made their reputation a critics.  Contrary to nom, deism is a religious view.  A theist who made his name by pulling apart the arguments of deists would certainly belong in the category.  We have not allowed categories on political opinions, because of difficulties of definition; and because a person who is conservative in one area may be liberal in another, but that does not apply to religious positions and less to philosophical ones.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:07, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Is there something that I'm missing here? Isn't this a perfect example of what not to do per WP:OPINIONCAT? ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:58, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Further comment - Purge -- I expect we have a category for the authors of apologetics (who defend religion). We probably need a category for those who similarly spend their time on opposing and seeking to undermine the views of opponents.  There are authors who are specifically known for their attacks on Islam, Jehovah's witnesses, Mormons, etc: we need a category for such persons.  However, much of the content of Category:Critics of atheism seemed to be Believers, who had on some occasion (eg on a TV programme) been put up to argue with an atheist.  That is not an appropriate basis for a categorisation.  Peterkingiron (talk) 10:58, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep I find these categories useful, for example critics of alternative medicine. It puts all critics of alternative medicine in one place and is useful for the reader searching for those who have criticized alternative medicine. If you delete all these categories it is not helpful. It is nice to have critics together in one place. I find it very helpful. I have a big foot (talk) 03:45, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
 * How is this not contrary to WP:OPINIONCAT and why is it a list wouldn't serve the same purpose? ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 15:48, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep Apparently Koavf has not read WP:OPINIONCAT. It says "Please note, however, the distinction between holding an opinion and being an activist, the latter of which may be a defining characteristic". Activism against something is by nature defining. Dimadick (talk) 06:29, 9 October 2017 (UTC)


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Category:SCI Games stubs

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete both the category and template. I will re-tag affected articles by genre, or using videogame-stub. -- Black Falcon (talk) 21:28, 7 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting sci games stubs


 * Nominator's rationale: The number of games listed for this company is pretty short. The number with separate articles, much shorter.  And many of the articles have bypassed the stub stage.  No permanent category, and no need for a stub category or even a template.  Delete both category and template.  Retag articles by video game genre, or if unclear, just tag as videogame-stub. Dawynn (talk) 03:08, 12 September 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Peerage of Ireland duke stubs

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 * The result of the discussion was: upmerge (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 06:47, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting peerage of ireland duke stubs


 * Nominator's rationale: 18 total articles in the permanent category. Not enough fuel to fill a category, no need to split to this level at this time. Delete category, merge template back to . Dawynn (talk) 02:24, 12 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Upmerge per nom. ww2censor (talk) 13:12, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Upmerge -- The reason that we only have one article (which is not entirely a stub anyway) is probably that all other candidates have non-stub articles. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:55, 17 September 2017 (UTC)


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