Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 September 22



Category:Jared Leto

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 * The result of the discussion was: Symbol move vote.svg Relisted at Categories for discussion/Log/2017 October 2. -- Black Falcon (talk) 04:14, 2 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting jared leto


 * Nominator's rationale: Too little content for an eponymous category--only three articles (other than the main one) and two subcats. (and the Works by cat is pretty slim). ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:35, 22 September 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Horse racing venues in Louisville, Kentucky

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 * The result of the discussion was: dual upmerge (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 05:47, 30 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Horse racing venues in Louisville, Kentucky to Category:Horse racing venues in Kentucky
 * Nominator's rationale: Dual upmerge to . Contains only one article and has one category. TM 23:20, 22 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Dual Upmerge for Now with no objection if the category ever gets up to 5 or so articles. RevelationDirect (talk) 01:31, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Dual upmerge -- Race courses take a lot of space, so that it is unlikely there will ever be much more. Peterkingiron (talk) 11:41, 24 September 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Horse racing venues in Baltimore

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 * The result of the discussion was: dual upmerge (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 05:53, 30 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Horse racing venues in Baltimore to Category:Horse racing venues in Maryland
 * Nominator's rationale: Contains no articles and only one category. Upmerge to as well. TM 23:13, 22 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Dual Upmerge for Now with no objection if the category ever gets up to 5 or so articles. RevelationDirect (talk) 01:33, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Dual Upmerge per nominator....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 17:39, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Dual upmerge -- Race courses take a lot of space, so that it is unlikely there will ever be much more. Peterkingiron (talk) 11:41, 24 September 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Horse racing venues in the United States by city

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. The remaining subcategories appeared to be nominated separately on tomorrow's discussion page and have been deleted. So the "by city" container category is empty now. (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 06:57, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting horse racing venues in the united states by city


 * Propose merging Category:Horse racing venues in Lexington, Kentucky to Category:Horse racing in Lexington, Kentucky, Category:Sports venues in Lexington, Kentucky and Category:Horse racing venues in Kentucky
 * Propose merging Category:Horse racing venues in New Orleans to Category:Horse racing in New Orleans, Category:Sports venues in New Orleans and Category:Horse racing venues in Louisiana
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT, none of these categories have enough articles. mainly has redirects in the category. TM 22:45, 22 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment  If the subcategories all are deleted (and they should be) then I support deleting this category. However, New Orleans isn't nominated.RevelationDirect (talk) 02:45, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete, assuming all the nominated subcategories are all eliminated. RevelationDirect (talk) 02:35, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete -- Race courses take a lot of space, so that it is unlikely there will ever be much more than one or two per city.  However the rest of the subcats need a merge similar to the two noms above to the state and a city category, so that this category becomes empty (except of cat-redirects) to prevent orphaning.  It is a pity this was not done as a multiple nom.  Peterkingiron (talk) 11:45, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
 * In fact the subcats have already been tagged with a Cfm template, so I've taken the liberty to add two lines to the nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:43, 29 September 2017 (UTC)


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American track and field athletes by state

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 * The result of the discussion was:  at Categories for discussion/Log/2017 October 12.  ℯ  xplicit  04:18, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming the following categories:
 * Category:Track and field people from Arizona to Category:Track and field athletes from Arizona
 * Category:Track and field people from Arkansas to Category:Track and field athletes from Arkansas
 * Category:Track and field people from California to Category:Track and field athletes from California
 * Category:Track and field people from Colorado to Category:Track and field athletes from Colorado
 * Category:Track and field people from Florida to Category:Track and field athletes from Florida
 * Category:Track and field people from Georgia (U.S. state) to Category:Track and field athletes from Georgia (U.S. state)
 * Category:Track and field people from Idaho to Category:Track and field athletes from Idaho
 * Category:Track and field people from Illinois to Category:Track and field athletes from Illinois
 * Category:Track and field people from Indiana to Category:Track and field athletes from Indiana
 * Category:Track and field people from Michigan to Category:Track and field athletes from Michigan
 * Category:Track and field people from Montana to Category:Track and field athletes from Montana
 * Category:Track and field people from New Jersey to Category:Track and field athletes from New Jersey
 * Category:Track and field people from New York (state) to Category:Track and field athletes from New York (state)
 * Category:Track and field people from Ohio to Category:Track and field athletes from Ohio
 * Category:Track and field people from Oregon to Category:Track and field athletes from Oregon
 * Category:Track and field people from South Carolina to Category:Track and field athletes from South Carolina
 * Category:Track and field people from Texas to Category:Track and field athletes from Texas
 * Category:Track and field people from Virginia to Category:Track and field athletes from Virginia

The following states would be unchanged but have been reverse tagged to cover the alternatives:
 * Category:Track and field athletes from Louisiana
 * Category:Track and field athletes from Massachusetts
 * Category:Track and field athletes from Pennsylvania
 * Category:Track and field athletes from West Virginia
 * Category:Track and field athletes from Wyoming
 * Nominator's rationale: To have all the American "state" subcategories for track and field the same; using "athletes" not "people". Preferebly using "athletes" as most of the sports use "athletes" or similar eg baseball players, golfers (the exception is "ice hockey people"); (see eg. Category:sportspeople from California. Note that at present four states out of 21 use "athletes" and the remaining 17 use "people". Also there are separate subcategories for "sports coaches" I have tagged the four "athletes" subcategories for the four states for the reverse change so that both options are tagged and covered. Hugo999 (talk) 22:18, 22 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Disagree--keep distinct with "people" as the parent of "athletes" Some category schemes have so many members that it makes sense to have categories for players, coaches, etc. E.g. look at Category:Baseball people. In the case of (again, e.g.) American football, there are persons who are in the field of American football who are not players such as team owners, announcers, etc. The question for me is if there are enough individuals to justify it. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:04, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment: Category:American track and field coaches does not have state subcategories at present, so I would suggest that they go into that category and the appropriate subcategory of Category:American sports coaches by state e.g. Category:Sports coaches from Texas. Hugo999 (talk) 12:59, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
 * There aren't enough articles about coaches to turn this into viable state categories. Koavf is right, but the easiest way to implement this is to rename the people categories to athletes as nominated and then recreate the people categories for miscellaneous people involved in track and field, such as coaches. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:06, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

Comment and !vote - given the comments from various people above, wouldn't it be better to keep these categories and simply create subcategories of them for the athletes themselves? Grutness...wha?  00:35, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment: Adding other categories like owners etc etc won’t justify a separate category for “track and field people by state” (fewer owners of track and field teams than of American football or Baseball teams?). And other “by state” sportspeople categories eg Category:Golfers from California or  Category:Soccer players from California are direct subcategories of  Category:Sportspeople from California with no subcategories for "Golf people from California" etc. Hugo999 (talk) 08:10, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment: As pointed out above by Marcocapelle there are not enough track and field coaches in Category:American track and field coaches (about 100) to justify a breakdown by state, and I don’t think there will be many “track and field” people apart from coaches (no “owners” ?). Perhaps after renaming the “track and field people” to “track and field athletes” for those “state” subcategories it may be apparent how many "track and people" people including coaches there are, and whether any separate "track and field coach" categories by state are required? Hugo999 (talk) 08:08, 9 October 2017 (UTC)


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Campbell Island group

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. -- Black Falcon (talk) 22:58, 7 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming the following categories:
 * Category:Fauna of Campbell Island, New Zealand to Category:Fauna of the Campbell Island group Category:Fauna of the Campbell Islands (currently a soft redirect)
 * Category:Flora of Campbell Island, New Zealand to Category:Flora of the Campbell Island group Category:Flora of the Campbell Islands
 * Category:Campbell Island group to Category:Campbell Islands
 * Nominator's rationale: The key article is Campbell Island group - the fauna and flora categories relate to the whole group, not just to the main island; the birds category uses the colloquial name for the group (the Campbell Islands). I would be equally happy to have all three categories at, but that would require the key article to also be renamed. Either way, some consistency would be useful, and some indicaton that these categories refer to the whole group of islands. Grutness...wha?  12:29, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
 * NOTE: nomination changes after and 's !votes. Grutness...wha?  01:10, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
 * The key article is now at Campbell Islands. Grutness...wha?  00:25, 6 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Speedy Per WP:C2D, facilitating concordance between a particular category's name and a related page's name. RevelationDirect (talk) 01:35, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep, also per WP:C2D since the main article was renamed with consensus. RevelationDirect (talk) 09:29, 6 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment both should be changed to use "Campbell Islands" which gets almost 300,000 Google hits compared to about 7,800 for "Campbell Island group" so is clearly the WP:COMMONNAME.  Peter coxhead (talk) 09:03, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Personally, I'd prefer that - which is why I didn't put this up for speedying. If that is the decision, then will also need changing. Grutness...wha?  01:07, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I agree and would also favor renaming the main article to "Campbell Islands", with consensus in an RM nomination. Once that passes (or fails), the category space just needs to match. RevelationDirect (talk) 01:30, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
 * RM request made. Grutness...wha?  02:10, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Sounds good to me Peterkingiron (talk) 11:47, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting info.svg Note: RM discussion at Talk:Campbell Island group#Requested move 25 September 2017. -- Black Falcon (talk) 04:12, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Update Main article renamed with consensus. RevelationDirect (talk) 09:58, 3 October 2017 (UTC)


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