Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 September 23



C2E

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 * The result of the discussion was: speedily deleted. – Fayenatic  L ondon 07:21, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting french people from loire-atlantique executed by guillotine during the french revolution


 * Nominator's rationale: Call for speedy deletion, creator requests deletion, the "French" at the start is superfluous. PatGallacher (talk) 23:58, 23 September 2017 (UTC)


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Category:American bi-monthly magazines

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. -- Black Falcon (talk) 19:39, 15 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:American bi-monthly magazines to Category:American bimonthly magazines
 * Nominator's rationale: American topics use American English, and "bi-monthly" is not a word in US English. Per Merriam-Webster, the word is "bimonthly", spelled solid, and "bi-monthly" is not even a secondary spelling. It simply isn't spelled that way in English, like "colour". We wouldn't have a category called "American colour magazines". Tenebrae (talk) 20:51, 23 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Support Per dictionary spelling.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 05:31, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Question – Is this is an American versus British English issue, or is "bi-monthly" just incorrect? If the latter, then the whole of Category:Bi-monthly magazines should be renamed. -- Black Falcon (talk) 04:22, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't know about British spelling. I do know that "bi-monthly" is not a word according to U.S. dictionaries. --Tenebrae (talk) 20:04, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
 * | Oxford online dictionary says bimonthly too, but that shouldn't hold us back from renaming the American category. Other categories may follow later. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:53, 15 October 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional midwifes

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. -- Black Falcon (talk) 02:05, 1 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Fictional midwifes to Category:Fictional midwives
 * Nominator's rationale: Spelling correction. Opposed speedy nomination. – Fayenatic  L ondon 20:30, 23 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Category:Fictional midwifes to Category:Fictional midwives – C2A, spelling, and C2C within Category:Midwives. – Fayenatic  L ondon 14:02, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose The main article of the category tree is Midwife. (See also Midwifery/.) Armbrust The Homunculus 21:43, 19 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Send the opponent to the OED and ignore the opposition. This is basic English; are you going to suggest that Category:Knives should be at Category:Knifes because the parent article is Knife?  Did you happen to notice that the parent is Category:Midwives, not Category:Midwifes?  Don't obstruct process with ignorance.  Nyttend (talk) 02:24, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Support Per the naming scheme of Category:Midwives and the dictionary.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 05:29, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Support - FFS Eustachiusz (talk) 11:19, 24 September 2017 (UTC) I can't believe that someone has objected to the rename, is of course what I meant to say. Eustachiusz (talk) 11:23, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Support This is the correct plural. Should we leave a cat-redirect to prevent stupid re-creation? Peterkingiron (talk) 11:49, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Speedy Per basic English pluralization. I suspect the speedy opposition must have been tongue in cheeck?: RevelationDirect (talk) 15:27, 24 September 2017 (UTC)


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Category:American bimonthly magazines

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 * The result of the discussion was: speedy close. See replacement nomination above. – Fayenatic  L ondon 07:05, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting Category:American bimonthly magazines


 * Nominator's rationale: Propose deleting page I created. While US spelling is "bimonthly" rather than "bi-monthly", manually changing the category name at every magazine in this category is time-prohibitive. I restored the original category name/page, "American bi-monthly magazines".--Tenebrae (talk) 20:27, 23 September 2017 (UTC)


 * you had moved and tagged the old page, so the process you initiated here would have deleted the page history, and unlinked it from Wikidata. I have moved it back under WP:C2E. Why don't you use the cfd process and nominate the category for renaming to the American spelling? If agreed, the heavy lifting will then be done by a bot. – Fayenatic  L ondon 20:40, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Oy. Sorry. My fault. It is a complicated process.--Tenebrae (talk) 20:42, 23 September 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Demons in the Apocrypha

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 05:56, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Demons in the Apocrypha to Category:Demons in the Old Testament apocrypha
 * Nominator's rationale: The contents are mostly from the Book of Enoch, and none are from . – Fayenatic  L ondon 20:14, 23 September 2017 (UTC)


 *  Alternative Rename or Support to Category:Watchers (angels). What do you think of kicking out Beelzebub (he has to be used to it) and renaming to match the main-ish article?  If not, then I support this rename as being more precise than the current one. RevelationDirect (talk) 02:17, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
 * There are also Abezethibou, Abyzou and Asmodeus from the Testament of Solomon; one of these is also in Tobit. So, I think the OT apocrypha category is needed. However, I have no objection to creating a sub-category for Watchers. The lists in Watcher (angel) show that the current category is not complete, e.g. Turiel is missing. – Fayenatic  L ondon 07:03, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
 * OK, I'm on board. RevelationDirect (talk) 02:58, 26 September 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Darts non-player personalities

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. See similar nomination, as that rationale applies. Specific diffusion, as noted below, is always an option.  ℯ  xplicit  05:25, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Darts non-player personalities to Category:Darts people
 * Nominator's rationale: upmerge per WP:OCMISC, this is typically a category containing "all others". Marcocapelle (talk) 18:20, 23 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Oppose: It isn't going to be helpful to readers to imply that the main content of Category:Darts people are the people listed there, rather than the players. If anything, we should be doing what this category structure and a few others like it are doing, across other sports, in the cases where we don't yet have quite enough articles for more specific non-player categories (referees, commentators, league executives, yadda yadda). We could do that subtopical category split right now, but it would result in rather thinly populated subcats (other than players) under the people one. This isn't really quite OCMISC, but a specific distinction between player and non-player roles, which is sensible in a sport context. If you're certain it is an OCMISC case, then consider it an IAR and common sense exception.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  18:34, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
 * If a biography is in a 'higher' category it simply means that it is a more vague connection than if a biography is in a 'lower' category. It surely does not imply that biographies in the higher category are the main content. I don't think that this is different in sports than it is in any other field that Wikipedia covers. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:24, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
 * If this is going to proceed, at least a couple of more specific subcats should be made for the people presently in this category, rather than dumping them all willy-nilly into the parent cat. (This is what was done with the old Category:Cue sports non-player personalities, with Category:Cue sports people now being well subdivided occupationally).  Still, I don't think you're getting my main point.  There's a rationale to  within the sport (either directly as such or by giving them more specific occupational subcats., e.g. for referees, etc.).  That is lost if it's flat-out upmerged. No one knows there's a specific subcat for players unless they go look.  It  different in sports, because the default presumption of the average reader is that someone notable for a sport is going to be one of its players. Regardless, there's a side thing to fix: the television personalities parent category of this cat. isn't actually accurate for all of them. One of the national subcats. of TV personalities should be put directly on the articles (for those who are actually TV personalities, which some of them probably are not, being refs or league people or whatever).  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ &gt;ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ&lt;  06:09, 30 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Merge/Remove Container Tag From Parent This just serves to empty the parent category which is not a container category and doesn't aid navigation. No objection to renaming this to one or more categories that better explains what these people do. RevelationDirect (talk) 02:19, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. I have no objection per se to creating specific subcats, e.g. for referees, presenters, and other roles; however, there is no need for Category:Darts people to be purely a container category. Players can already be distinguished from non-players by virtue of the former being moved to Category:Darts players. -- Black Falcon (talk) 03:06, 9 October 2017 (UTC)


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Category:People from Etowah, Tennessee

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 07:10, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Etowah, Tennessee to Category:People from McMinn County, Tennessee
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. Small one-county community with just 3 entries. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 15:26, 23 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Merge for Now Until if/when it gets up to 5 or so articles. In the mean time it's not aiding navigation. RevelationDirect (talk) 02:20, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep it now has five articles.--TM 19:28, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep You hit my magic number. RevelationDirect (talk) 00:43, 1 October 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Horse racing venues in Hempstead, New York

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 06:40, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Horse racing venues in Hempstead, New York to Category:Horse racing venues in New York (state)
 * Nominator's rationale: Dual upmerge to as well. No articles and only one category. TM 13:43, 23 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Dual upmerge -- Few cities will have more than a couple of racetracks. Peterkingiron (talk) 11:51, 24 September 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Horse racing venues in New Orleans

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 06:42, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Horse racing venues in New Orleans to Category:Horse racing venues in Louisiana
 * Nominator's rationale: Dual upmerge to as well. Contains only redirects and a single category. TM 13:41, 23 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Dual upmerge per nominator....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 10:28, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Dual upmerge -- Few cities will have more than a couple of racetracks. Peterkingiron (talk) 11:50, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Dual Upmerge Per WP:SMALLCAT, small with little potential for growth. RevelationDirect (talk) 02:21, 25 September 2017 (UTC)


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Redate/rename all subcategories and sub-subcategories that contain a date range per MOS:DATERANGE

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 * The result of the discussion was: procedural close. Apparently User:PBS has already taken care of the implementation of their own proposal, which is not how we settle discussions normally (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 07:06, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Members of the Parliament of England (pre-1707) by parliament to Category:As appropriate
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename/redate date ranges from ccyy–yy to ccyy–ccyy per MOS:DATERANGE. I have put in a bot request to do this with more details see Bot requests/Archive 75 and Bots/Requests for approval/NihlusBOT-- PBS (talk) 11:07, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
 * DONE✅ See Wikipedia:Bot requests/Archive 75 -- PBS (talk) 08:00, 26 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Rename to to match parent . Tim! (talk) 17:02, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
 * See section header this request is not to rename main category but to rename the subcategories and sub-subcategories that do not comply with DATERANGE. I think that if you want to rename the main category you should raise a request to do so. -- PBS (talk) 08:00, 26 September 2017 (UTC)


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Category:The Chain Gang of 1974

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 08:42, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting the chain gang of 1974


 * Nominator's rationale: Only one article, subcats. are interlinked. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 09:19, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep - per previous discussion from June–August 2017. – PhilipTerryGraham (talk · contribs · [//tools.wmflabs.org/xtools-ec/?user=PhilipTerryGraham&project=en.wikipedia.org count]) 09:22, 23 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Pinging as participants in the previous discussion.
 * Delete. The navigation template Template:The Chain Gang of 1974 connects the main article, the songs and albums categories, i.e. all the members of this category except Category:The Chain Gang of 1974 album covers. – Fayenatic  L ondon 15:31, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
 * As mentioned in the earlier discussion, The Chain Gang of 1974 is a navbox template used on the articles themselves, while the categories are for categorical navigation. The two are separate worlds; there needs to be adequate navigation in both. One searching through via categories shouldn't be left with a dead end while users of navboxes get to go further. The two should have equal capability. – PhilipTerryGraham (talk · contribs · [//tools.wmflabs.org/xtools-ec/?user=PhilipTerryGraham&project=en.wikipedia.org count]) 17:06, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
 * OK to the last two sentences, but there are no dead ends. ALL the sub-categories link sufficiently to each other. The top category is not needed. – Fayenatic  L ondon 20:51, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep per the reasons given in the previous (and very recent) discussion – the existence of navbox links is a novel but unconvincing argument against categories. Oculi (talk) 17:56, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
 * On the contrary, categories exist primarily to aid navigation between related topics. Where the contents are already linked, there is no need for s category, and this has been a longstanding rationale at CfD for deletions. – Fayenatic  L ondon 07:26, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete Unless there are a variety of topics from which to navigate for a musical act, there is simply no need for an eponymous category as described in WP:OCEPON. There is long-standing precedent that simply songs and albums subcategories are not enough to justify the eponymous category. A category of image files (of album covers that appear in the respective album articles no less) doesn't change that. -- Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 16:41, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete per Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars. Categories, lists and navboxes all contribute to navigation, but all three are not appropriate for all situations. In this case, there are not enough "directly related articles or subcategories" to warrant an eponymous category. Interlinking between the subcategories, plus the navbox, facilitate navigation quite well on their own. -- Black Falcon (talk) 03:12, 9 October 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Kidnapping in Malaysia

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus to delete. The final discussion of the value of this added layer of categorization pertains to Category:Kidnapping by country more generally, and a wider discussion may be appropriate. At this time, however, there appears to be no compelling reason to delete this category alone out of the 77 in the parent category. -- Black Falcon (talk) 23:03, 7 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting kidnapping in malaysia


 * Nominator's rationale: Identical to Category:Kidnappings in Malaysia Paris1127 (talk) 05:52, 23 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep Kidnapping is for the topic of kidnapping, whereas Kidnappings is for instances of the crime. See how breaks down: the parent contains legislation about kidnapping,  contains instances. Kidnapping in Malaysia was emptied before nominating which is something which should not be done nominator. Tim! (talk) 06:59, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
 * What was there before the nom emptied it (out of process)? Peterkingiron (talk) 11:52, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
 * The only thing I saw from recent edits was Category:Kidnappings in Malaysia, which I added back. If I missed something that was removed from the category, please tag me. RevelationDirect (talk) 02:31, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete I understand the conceptual difference between a category for Kidnapping laws, organizations, etc and one for actual kidnappings. The entire category tree for Category:Kidnapping by country is almost empty though and this one doesn't add value as a second layer of navigation with no content. RevelationDirect (talk) 02:31, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
 * It adds value by being consistent with other crime category trees such as /. Tim! (talk) 17:00, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Ensuring that every type of crime has both a topic and instances category for each country doesn't provide consistency from my perspective: The murder one is well populated while Category:Kidnapping by country mostly consists of the Kidnappings subcategory for each one and precious little else. RevelationDirect (talk) 03:05, 26 September 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Anime featured in the Super Robot Wars series

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. -- Black Falcon (talk) 04:24, 2 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting anime featured in the super robot wars series


 * Nominator's rationale: Is this category encyclopedic? It seems awfully fancrufty to me - and of little use to people, since it doesn't even say what specific games the anime appear in. It also fails WP:NONDEF. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 02:49, 23 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete Seems like a WP:PERFCAT to me to categorize ongoing fictional characters by on series. RevelationDirect (talk) 02:33, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:CATDEF. --Izno (talk) 03:13, 26 September 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Avril Lavigne products

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 07:11, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Avril Lavigne products and Category:Avril Lavigne perfumes to Category:Avril Lavigne
 * Nominator's rationale: Not needed for three articles and there is no Category:Products by person scheme. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 02:10, 23 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Merge, but only on the small-category issue; product-by-person sounds quite reasonable for someone with a lot more articles than this. Size aside, it's not particularly different from Category:Frank Lloyd Wright buildings and other buildings-by-architect categories, or from anything else in the Category:Categories by creator tree.  Nyttend (talk) 02:15, 23 September 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Anime based on manga

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 07:10, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting anime based on manga


 * Nominator's rationale: Redundant category. serves the exact same purpose.  ChamithN   (talk)  01:50, 23 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. <strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 02:25, 23 September 2017 (UTC)


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Category:Horse racing venues in Lexington, Kentucky
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 06:52, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Horse racing venues in Lexington, Kentucky to Category:Horse racing venues in Kentucky
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT, dual upmerge to as well. TM 01:36, 23 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Dual upmerge per nominator....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 15:29, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Dual upmerge -- Few cities will have more than a couple of racetracks. Peterkingiron (talk) 11:53, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Dual Upmerge small with little chance for growth. RevelationDirect (talk) 02:34, 25 September 2017 (UTC)


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