Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 April 2



Category:Foreign-born players in Spain national basketball teams

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 * The result of the discussion was: Selectively merge to Category:Expatriate basketball people in Spain. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:56, 10 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting foreign-born players in spain national basketball teams


 * Nominator's rationale: Categorization by non-defining characteristic. Spanish national basketball team players are not notable for being born outside of Spanish territory. TM 18:36, 2 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete or rename so it fits under Category:Expatriate basketball people in Spain (possibly leaving a redirect). DexDor(talk) 07:33, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Support DexDor. We have many such expatriate categories.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:51, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Selectively merge to Category:Expatriate basketball people in Spain, only they are not originally of Spanish nationality and only if they played basketball in their country of origin. I cannot see a need for renaming, as nom says this is non-defining. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:00, 9 April 2018 (UTC)


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Category:People from Lebanon, New Jersey

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 05:30, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Lebanon, New Jersey to Category:People from Hunterdon County, New Jersey
 * Nominator's rationale: One county community with just 2 entries. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 15:26, 2 April 2018 (UTC)


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Category:People from Plum, Pennsylvania

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 05:34, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Plum, Pennsylvania to Category:People from Allegheny County, Pennsylvania
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. One-county community with just 2 entries. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 11:08, 2 April 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Massacres by ethnic group

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 * The result of the discussion was: relisted at Categories for discussion/Log/2018 April 10. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:27, 10 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:Massacres by ethnic group to Category:Massacres of ethnic groups
 * Propose merging Category:Racial massacres to Category:Massacres of ethnic groups
 * Nominator's rationale: merge, the two categories are too closely related to keep them separate. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:40, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I support that. Not a good idea to rely on ambiguous prepositions for a distinction. Rathfelder (talk) 11:14, 2 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment: If merged, I suggest that the sub-cat Category:Massacres of Ukrainians be added to the other parent Category:History by ethnic group, otherwise it will be removed from that hierarchy. The other two sub-cats are in other sub-cats of that one, e.g. Category:History of the Kurdish people, so do nothing t need a double merge. – Fayenatic  L ondon 13:34, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:01, 9 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment how are these really distinguishable from things like Category:Anti-Armenian pogroms and the various genocide and similar categories? Is that distinction meaningful (I suppose you could have a pogrom that didn't result in a massacre, or a failed genocide that contained no deaths, in theory but they seem very closely related and ought, IMHO, to be grouped together somehow). Carlossuarez46 (talk) 19:05, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Good question, maybe Category:Pogroms ought to be merged as well. But let's first get the current nomination done. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:43, 10 April 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Ghost tours

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:32, 10 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:Ghost tours to Category:Ghosts in popular culture
 * Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, currently only one article. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:30, 2 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Upmerge, but to - with no prejudice against re-creation if it grows. Grutness...  wha?   02:20, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
 * If I understand correctly the place was never reported as haunted, it is just a tourist attraction. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:51, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Ah - in that case, support. BTW, quite a few articles mention ghost walks (the usual name rather than ghost tours, by the looks of it), so a list might be worthwhile. Grutness... wha?   02:52, 4 April 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Player progress tracking in video games

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:34, 10 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:Player progress tracking in video games to Category:Video game gameplay
 * Nominator's rationale: Is it me or does this category seem kind of arbitrary? Achievements and ingame score are two totally different types of progress. It also has an issue with potentially being too small for a category per WP:SMALLCAT. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 16:36, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I feel it should be a sub-cat of Video Game Gameplay (Which probably needs a new name); as you're right. However, I don't agree it's arbitrary.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 08:22, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Marcocapelle (talk) 07:44, 2 April 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Films set in Ohio

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge all. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 09:37, 10 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:Films set in Allen County, Ohio to Category:Films set in Ohio
 * Propose merging Category:Films set in Athens County, Ohio to Category:Films set in Ohio
 * Propose merging Category:Films set in Bath Township, Summit County, Ohio to Category:Films set in Ohio
 * Propose merging Category:Films set in Chippewa Lake, Ohio to Category:Films set in Ohio
 * Propose merging Category:Films set in Clyde, Ohio to Category:Films set in Ohio
 * Propose merging Category:Films set in Cuyahoga County, Ohio to Category:Films set in Ohio
 * Propose merging Category:Films set in Defiance, Ohio to Category:Films set in Ohio
 * Propose merging Category:Films set in Defiance County, Ohio to Category:Films set in Ohio
 * Propose merging Category:Films set in Erie County, Ohio to Category:Films set in Ohio
 * Propose merging Category:Films set in Greene County, Ohio to Category:Films set in Ohio
 * Propose merging Category:Films set in Hamilton County, Ohio to Category:Films set in Ohio
 * Propose merging Category:Films set in Hudson, Ohio to Category:Films set in Ohio
 * Propose merging Category:Films set in Kettering, Ohio to Category:Films set in Ohio
 * Propose merging Category:Films set in Lagrange, Ohio to Category:Films set in Ohio
 * Propose merging Category:Films set in Lagrange Township, Lorain County, Ohio to Category:Films set in Ohio
 * Propose merging Category:Films set in Lima, Ohio to Category:Films set in Ohio
 * Propose merging Category:Films set in Lucas County, Ohio to Category:Films set in Ohio
 * Propose merging Category:Films set in Lorain County, Ohio to Category:Films set in Ohio
 * Propose merging Category:Films set in Medina County, Ohio to Category:Films set in Ohio
 * Propose merging Category:Films set in Nelsonville, Ohio to Category:Films set in Ohio
 * Propose merging Category:Films set in Sandusky, Ohio to Category:Films set in Ohio
 * Propose merging Category:Films set in Sandusky County, Ohio to Category:Films set in Ohio
 * Propose merging Category:Films set in Somersville, Ohio to Category:Films set in Ohio
 * Propose merging Category:Films set in Summit County, Ohio to Category:Films set in Ohio
 * Propose merging Category:Films set in Union County, Ohio to Category:Films set in Ohio
 * Propose merging Category:Films set in Xenia, Ohio to Category:Films set in Ohio
 * Propose merging Category:Films set in York Township, Athens County, Ohio to Category:Films set in Ohio
 * Propose merging Category:Films set in York Township, Sandusky County, Ohio to Category:Films set in Ohio
 * Propose merging Category:Films set in York Township, Union County, Ohio to Category:Films set in Ohio
 * Nominator's rationale: These are small categories with little chance of growth, and can be merged into their parents. Note: categories for larger cities (Akron, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Columbus, Toledo, and Youngstown) are not included in this nomination. - Eureka Lott 05:17, 2 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Merge all per nom.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 08:46, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Merge all per nominator....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 10:45, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Merge all per nominator. We do not need to obsessively subcategorize every film's setting all the way down to the small town or county even if only one or two films can actually be included in any such subcategory. Major cities with a lot of films set there can certainly have their own subcategories, but smaller towns should simply be left at the state level. Bearcat (talk) 13:59, 3 April 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Ethnic Armenian lawyers

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. This nomination of 8 ethnicity/occupation intersections was based on the proposition that none of the categories meets the test set out in WP:EGRS: that the intersection is "recognized as a distinct and unique cultural topic". .However nobody provided any evidence either way, so the balance of !votes amounts to a balance of ILIKEIT/IDONTLIKEIT, which can only be closed as "no consensus". A nomination such which relies on an individual assessment of each category is more likely to produce a consensus outcome if it deals with only one category (or maybe a small number of closely-related categories), so that editors can do some research and offer more than unevidenced assertion. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 00:37, 13 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:Ethnic Armenian lawyers to Category:Ethnic Armenian people


 * Category:Ethnic Armenian academics to Category:Ethnic Armenian people
 * Category:Ethnic Armenian bankers to Category:Ethnic Armenian people
 * Category:Ethnic Armenian comedians to Category:Ethnic Armenian people
 * Category:Ethnic Armenian designers to Category:Ethnic Armenian people
 * Category:Ethnic Armenian inventors to Category:Ethnic Armenian people
 * Category:Ethnic Armenian journalists to Category:Ethnic Armenian people
 * Category:Ethnic Armenian philanthropists to Category:Ethnic Armenian people
 * Nominator's rationale: Overcategorization by trivial intersection. There is not enough of a distinct history of Ethnic Armenians in these professions to warrant a separate category. There is no need to merge to nationality and profession based categories since all articles are already in an appropriate subcategory. TM 13:26, 14 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Question Category:Ethnic Armenian people contains dozens of subcategories, why have you nominated these ones in particular? Marcocapelle (talk) 13:08, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Per WP:EGRS, these combinations are not "recognized as a distinct and unique cultural topic[s]". "The basis for creating such a category is not the number of individuals who could potentially be filed in the group, but whether there's a specific cultural context for the grouping beyond the mere fact that politicians of that ethnic background happen to exist."--TM 22:25, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
 * And what about architects, economists etc etc? I would probably support if this nomination would cover all relevant subcategories but I can't see the benefit of nominating only these seven and leave the others alone. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:54, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Whether there are oversights on my part on nominating certain categories or not should not stop us from merging these categories. I would happily support another nomination for other non-notable intersections.--TM 19:47, 21 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep -- Some of these are somewhat small, but the parent is tagged as a container. Many of the subcats are sufficiently populated to be kept.  I suspect there are people in an Armenian category who ought to be in these.  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:20, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't think the parent category is tagged as a container, nor should it be.--TM 19:47, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ℯ xplicit 04:35, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Merge as lesser of evils, there's nothing notable about the intersection of ethnic Armenians and any of these professions, someone care to write a NPOV Ethnic Armenian banker article, e.g.? Carlossuarez46 (talk) 19:07, 9 April 2018 (UTC)


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