Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 August 21



Category:Wikipedian feeling discouraged

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename. Timrollpickering 17:52, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Wikipedian feeling discouraged to Category:Wikipedians feeling discouraged
 * Nominator's rationale: It needs renaming as it is a broad category, it should say 'Wikipedians feeling discouraged' as it is referring to multiple Wikipedians. Pkbwcgs (talk) 20:34, 21 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Support - it implies that it is plural so it should be Wikipedians. Per nom Inter&#38;anthro (talk) 16:50, 23 August 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Mito branch

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 * The result of the discussion was:  at Categories for discussion/Log/2018 September 1. ℯ xplicit  00:37, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Mito branch to Category:Mito-Tokugawa clan
 * Nominator's rationale: The title of the category in Japanese Wikipedia is 水戸徳川氏, or Mito-Tokugawa-shi, meaning Mito-Tokugawa clan. 24.105.170.133 (talk) 15:16, 21 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Oppose - article is Mito branch. Oculi (talk) 16:01, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Not any more, it isn't. --Calton | Talk 18:46, 22 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Support More accurate AND more descriptive. --Calton | Talk 18:46, 22 August 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Owari branch

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 * The result of the discussion was:  at Categories for discussion/Log/2018 September 1. ℯ xplicit  00:37, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Owari branch to Category:Owari-Tokugawa clan
 * Nominator's rationale: The title of the category in Japanese Wikipedia is 尾張徳川氏, or Owari-Tokugawa-shi, meaning Owari-Tokugawa clan. 24.105.170.133 (talk) 15:16, 21 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Oppose - article is Owari branch. Oculi (talk) 16:03, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Not any more, it isn't. --Calton | Talk 18:46, 22 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Support More accurate AND more descriptive. --Calton | Talk 18:46, 22 August 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Cheruthony Dam

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 05:21, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting cheruthony dam


 * Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT - No evident likelihood for meaningful population — swpb T go beyond 13:43, 21 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete - it's also misspelt: Cheruthoni Dam. Oculi (talk) 18:12, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
 * OK to go but not a spelling mistake. both spellings are used, -- Ranjithsiji (talk) 08:27, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete -- The article (whichever spelling is preferred) is adequately categorised. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:58, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete - per WP:SMALLCAT, will only ever have one entry. Inter&#38;anthro (talk) 18:41, 23 August 2018 (UTC)


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Category:People from Wilmerding, Pennsylvania

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 * The result of the discussion was:  at Categories for discussion/Log/2018 September 1. ℯ xplicit  00:37, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Wilmerding, Pennsylvania to Category:People from Allegheny County, Pennsylvania
 * Nominator's rationale: Small one county community with just two entries. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 10:43, 21 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Oppose - just added another article to the category. There is certainly room for this category to grow so WP:SMALLCAT does not apply. Inter&#38;anthro (talk) 20:01, 23 August 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Basketball at the European Youth Olympic Days

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 * The result of the discussion was:  at Categories for discussion/Log/2018 September 1. ℯ xplicit  00:37, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting basketball at the european youth olympic days


 * Nominator's rationale: Merge into Category:Basketball at the European Youth Summer Olympic Festival Pelmeen10 (talk) 03:57, 21 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment if I understand correctly, European Youth Olympic Days was the old name of the event and European Youth Summer Olympic Festival is the new name. as the nominator you should provide a clear rationale for your proposal. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:24, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry. But you're correct. European Youth Olympic Days are now called European Youth Olympic Festival. --Pelmeen10 (talk) 14:07, 29 August 2018 (UTC)


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Guam renames

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename most, others can be nominated separately immediately if needs be. Most of these are straightforward and the handful of exceptions are best handled without distraction. Timrollpickering 21:42, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Several "Guam [x]" categories to "Guamanian [x]" categories:


 * Category:Guam Christians to Category:Guamanian Christians


 * Category:Guam Christians
 * Category:Guam Democrats
 * Category:Guam Independents
 * Category:Guam Jews
 * Category:Guam Republicans
 * Category:Guam Roman Catholic bishops
 * Category:Guam Roman Catholic priests
 * Category:Guam Roman Catholics
 * Category:Guam academics
 * Category:Guam actors
 * Category:Guam actresses
 * Category:Guam awards
 * Category:Guam baseball players
 * Category:Guam basketball players
 * Category:Guam beauty pageant winners
 * Category:Guam biathletes
 * Category:Guam businesspeople
 * Category:Guam canoeists
 * Category:Guam caucuses
 * Category:Guam columnists
 * Category:Guam conservationists
 * Category:Guam cuisine
 * Category:Guam culture
 * Category:Guam cyclists
 * Category:Guam dentists
 * Category:Guam editors
 * Category:Guam educators
 * Category:Guam elections by year
 * Category:Guam elections, 1998
 * Category:Guam elections, 2002
 * Category:Guam elections, 2004
 * Category:Guam elections, 2006
 * Category:Guam elections, 2008
 * Category:Guam elections, 2010
 * Category:Guam elections, 2012
 * Category:Guam elections, 2014
 * Category:Guam elections, 2016
 * Category:Guam elections, 2018
 * Category:Guam entertainers
 * Category:Guam female cyclists
 * Category:Guam female judoka
 * Category:Guam female long-distance runners
 * Category:Guam female marathon runners
 * Category:Guam female martial artists
 * Category:Guam female middle-distance runners
 * Category:Guam female sport wrestlers
 * Category:Guam female sprinters
 * Category:Guam female swimmers
 * Category:Guam female track and field athletes
 * Category:Guam female weightlifters
 * Category:Guam football managers
 * Category:Guam football navigational boxes
 * Category:Guam football team navigational boxes
 * Category:Guam footballers
 * Category:Guam historians
 * Category:Guam international footballers
 * Category:Guam journalists
 * Category:Guam judges
 * Category:Guam judoka
 * Category:Guam law
 * Category:Guam lawyers
 * Category:Guam literature
 * Category:Guam local politicians
 * Category:Guam long-distance runners
 * Category:Guam male actors
 * Category:Guam male canoeists
 * Category:Guam male cyclists
 * Category:Guam male judoka
 * Category:Guam male long-distance runners
 * Category:Guam male marathon runners
 * Category:Guam male martial artists
 * Category:Guam male middle-distance runners
 * Category:Guam male mixed martial artists
 * Category:Guam male sailors (sport)
 * Category:Guam male sport wrestlers
 * Category:Guam male sprinters
 * Category:Guam male swimmers
 * Category:Guam male track and field athletes
 * Category:Guam male weightlifters
 * Category:Guam marathon runners
 * Category:Guam martial artists
 * Category:Guam media
 * Category:Guam men
 * Category:Guam men by occupation
 * Category:Guam men's basketball players
 * Category:Guam middle-distance runners
 * Category:Guam military personnel
 * Category:Guam mixed martial artists
 * Category:Guam musical instruments
 * Category:Guam musicians
 * Category:Guam newspaper editors
 * Category:Guam people
 * Category:Guam people by ethnic or national origin
 * Category:Guam people by occupation
 * Category:Guam people by religion
 * Category:Guam people in sports
 * Category:Guam people of Asian descent
 * Category:Guam people of British descent
 * Category:Guam people of Chinese descent
 * Category:Guam people of Dutch descent
 * Category:Guam people of English descent
 * Category:Guam people of European descent
 * Category:Guam people of Filipino descent
 * Category:Guam people of Hungarian descent
 * Category:Guam people of Irish descent
 * Category:Guam people of Italian descent
 * Category:Guam people of Japanese descent
 * Category:Guam people of Korean descent
 * Category:Guam people of Laotian descent
 * Category:Guam people of Native Hawaiian descent
 * Category:Guam people of Polish descent
 * Category:Guam people of Spanish descent
 * Category:Guam people of Thai descent
 * Category:Guam people of World War II
 * Category:Guam physicians
 * Category:Guam police officers
 * Category:Guam politicians
 * Category:Guam politicians by party
 * Category:Guam politicians convicted of crimes
 * Category:Guam priests
 * Category:Guam religious leaders
 * Category:Guam runners
 * Category:Guam sailors
 * Category:Guam sailors (sport)
 * Category:Guam schoolteachers
 * Category:Guam singers
 * Category:Guam skiers
 * Category:Guam society
 * Category:Guam soldiers
 * Category:Guam sport shooters
 * Category:Guam sports coaches
 * Category:Guam sportsmen
 * Category:Guam sportspeople
 * Category:Guam sportspeople by sport
 * Category:Guam sportswomen
 * Category:Guam sprinters
 * Category:Guam steeplechase runners
 * Category:Guam swimmers
 * Category:Guam track and field athletes
 * Category:Guam weightlifters
 * Category:Guam women
 * Category:Guam women by occupation
 * Category:Guam women in politics
 * Category:Guam writers


 * Nominator's rationale: Proper demonym. See also Category:Guamanian people stubs, Category:Guamanian sport by year, Category:Guamanian sport stubs, and Category:Guamanian sportspeople stubs. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 02:19, 21 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Support as per correct use of demonym. Number   5  7  08:24, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Support - correct according to United States Government Publishing Office (U.S. GPO). Oculi (talk) 10:12, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Support - per nom and above. Inter&#38;anthro (talk) 22:07, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Partial support – This is an appropriate change for most, but not all, of these categories. For the X international footballers categories, it is correct to use the name of the country, rather than the demonym; we're naming the national team they represented, not describing their nationality. At a quick glance, I think there are also a few "Guam topics" as opposed to "Guamanian people" categories that have been swept up in this long list and may need further consideration. Jellyman (talk) 19:07, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Partial support. I was just coming over here to propose the same group of categories myself, but some should not be renamed. These include:
 * Category:Guam football managers
 * Category:Guam football team navigational boxes
 * Category:Guam international footballers (all four relate to the Guam national team)
 * Category:Guam football navigational boxes (per all other by country football categories)
 * Category:Guam elections by year
 * Category:Guam elections, 1998
 * Category:Guam elections, 2002
 * Category:Guam elections, 2004
 * Category:Guam elections, 2006
 * Category:Guam elections, 2008
 * Category:Guam elections, 2010
 * Category:Guam elections, 2012
 * Category:Guam elections, 2014
 * Category:Guam elections, 2016
 * Category:Guam elections, 2018 (all per equivalent state categories)
 * Grutness... wha?   03:29, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Category:Guam elections, 2018 (all per equivalent state categories)
 * Grutness... wha?   03:29, 28 August 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Mayors of Gowrie, Iowa
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 * The result of the discussion was: dual merge (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 05:26, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Mayors of Gowrie, Iowa to Category:People from Webster County, Iowa
 * Nominator's rationale: Small community with just one entry and category is unlikely to be expanded. Mayors of towns with an approximate population of 1,000 are rarely notable. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 01:06, 21 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Full upmerge is needed. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:59, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Upmerge, but not just as nominated; page also needs to be upped to . Bearcat (talk) 19:59, 26 August 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Sugar substitutes
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 * The result of the discussion was:  at Categories for discussion/Log/2018 September 1. <b style="color:#4B0082;">ℯ</b> xplicit  00:37, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose splitting Category:Sugar substitutes to Category:Sugar substitutes and Category:Sweeteners
 * Nominator's rationale: There is a fundamental problem here. The article on sugar substitutes uses that name even though many sweeteners are high in sugar and thus are replacing just "table sugar", while others are 0 calorie sweeteners or very low in sugar and some are naturally occurring while others are artificial. Syrup is not even mentioned in the main article, but yet it is a sweetener. Bod (talk) 00:46, 21 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Oppose for now, Sweeteners is a redirect to Sugar substitutes. If there is a need for a fix it should be implemented in article space first. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:41, 28 August 2018 (UTC)


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Metropolitan boroughs
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename using "Metropolitan Borough of", see full list at end of discussion. – Fayenatic  L ondon 10:27, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Knowsley to Category:Knowsley Borough (and tagged sub categories)
 * Propose renaming Category:Sefton to Category:Sefton Borough (and tagged sub categories)
 * Nominator's rationale: Both the articles are at Metropolitan Borough of Knowsley and Metropolitan Borough of Sefton. There is no evidence that the categories are also for the village (they aren't in the vilage category). Both Knowsley and Sefton have other meanings outside Merseyside and there is also a ward. The categores might be eligible for speedy renaming however we appear to generally use "Foo Borough" for categories, see Category:Metropolitan boroughs, see Categories for discussion/Log/2014 April 30, however this isn't the case for the corresponding Common categories. has also created some like Category:Barnsley Borough.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk )  10:33, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

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 * Comment - usual rule is to follow the articles, ie Metropolitan Borough of Knowsley, Metropolitan Borough of Sefton. I agree that there should be a rename. Oculi (talk) 10:48, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Is it worth considering renaming the others then? The reason was apparently because they are easier to add with hotcat.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 10:56, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
 * There was an earlier cfd for London which simply used the article names: Sept 2008. Oculi (talk) 11:18, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
 * So the use of "Borough" for MBs appears to be local and should be changed to be consistent with the others. I now support using "Metropolitan Borough of...".  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 11:21, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose -- In theory there is a conflict with the village of Knowsley, Merseyside, but it already comes under this category as a grandchild, so that the conflict is an imagined one, not a real one. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:37, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Except that there is a Knowsley in Australia, Lancashire and South Africa. What I would say is that Knowsley, Merseyside should be moved to Knowsley per WP:DABCONCEPT but until then we should by default DAB.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 09:23, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Alternate Renames to Category:Metropolitan Borough of Knowsley and Category:Metropolitan Borough of Sefton to match the main articles, Metropolitan Borough of Knowsley and Metropolitan Borough of Sefton respectively. I'm not wild about those names but the category space should match the main articles to make navigation easier for readers.  (If and when a move nomination of those articles is proposed and passes, no objection to speedy renaming per WP:C2D.) 03:46, 6 August 2018 (UTC) RevelationDirect (talk) 14:16, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
 * It wouldn't be able to go through C2D because it would be ambiguous and because of this discussion, in addition because the wider district article would still be at Metropolitan Borough of Knowsley.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 13:49, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:#4B0082;">ℯ</b> xplicit 00:16, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Alternate Renames to Category:Metropolitan Borough of Knowsley and Category:Metropolitan Borough of Sefton to match the main articles, Metropolitan Borough of Knowsley and Metropolitan Borough of Sefton respectively. I'm not sure what the problem is as we have dozens of similar names (after cfd in 2008) such as Category:Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea. Oculi (talk) 09:15, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Support Occuli's alternative. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:02, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Admin comment: please list the sub-categories that have been tagged. The closing admin is not expected to trace the nominated categories. It will now be helpful if you would compile a list in the format *Category:Foo in Knowsley to Category:Foo in the Metropolitan Borough of Knowsley as that format seems to have obtained consensus. – Fayenatic  L ondon 09:21, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Category:Knowsley to Category:Metropolitan Borough of Knowsley
 * Category:Buildings and structures in Knowsley to Category:Buildings and structures in the Metropolitan Borough of Knowsley
 * Category:Railway stations in Knowsley to Category:Railway stations in the Metropolitan Borough of Knowsley
 * Category:Disused railway stations in Knowsley to Category:Disused railway stations in the Metropolitan Borough of Knowsley
 * Category:Schools in Knowsley to Category:Schools in the Metropolitan Borough of Knowsley
 * Category:Academies in Knowsley to Category:Academies in the Metropolitan Borough of Knowsley
 * Category:Community schools in Knowsley to Category:Community schools in the Metropolitan Borough of Knowsley
 * Category:Defunct schools in Knowsley to Category:Defunct schools in the Metropolitan Borough of Knowsley
 * Category:Secondary schools in Knowsley to Category:Secondary schools in the Metropolitan Borough of Knowsley
 * Category:Education in Knowsley to Category:Education in the Metropolitan Borough of Knowsley
 * Category:Local government in Knowsley to Category:Local government in the Metropolitan Borough of Knowsley
 * Category:Council elections in Knowsley to Category:Council elections in the Metropolitan Borough of Knowsley
 * Category:Politics of Knowsley to Category:Politics of the Metropolitan Borough of Knowsley
 * Category:Towns and villages in Knowsley to Category:Towns and villages in the Metropolitan Borough of Knowsley


 * Category:Sefton to Category:Metropolitan Borough of Sefton
 * Category:Buildings and structures in Sefton Category:Buildings and structures in the Metropolitan Borough of Sefton
 * Category:Railway stations in Sefton Category:Railway stations in the Metropolitan Borough of Sefton
 * Category:Disused railway stations in Sefton Category:Disused railway stations in the Metropolitan Borough of Sefton
 * Category:Schools in Sefton Category:Schools in the Metropolitan Borough of Sefton
 * Category:Academies in Sefton Category:Academies in the Metropolitan Borough of Sefton
 * Category:Community schools in Sefton Category:Community schools in the Metropolitan Borough of Sefton
 * Category:Defunct schools in Sefton Category:Defunct schools in the Metropolitan Borough of Sefton
 * Category:Independent schools in Sefton Category:Independent schools in the Metropolitan Borough of Sefton
 * Category:Secondary schools in Sefton Category:Secondary schools in the Metropolitan Borough of Sefton
 * Category:Local government in Sefton Category:Local government in the Metropolitan Borough of Sefton
 * Category:Council elections in Sefton Category:Council elections in the Metropolitan Borough of Sefton
 * Category:Parks and commons in Sefton Category:Parks and commons in the Metropolitan Borough of Sefton
 * Category:Politics of Sefton Category:Politics of the Metropolitan Borough of Sefton
 * Category:Wards of Sefton Category:Wards of the Metropolitan Borough of Sefton
 * Category:Sport in Sefton Category:Sport in the Metropolitan Borough of Sefton
 * Category:Towns and villages in Sefton Category:Towns and villages in the Metropolitan Borough of Sefton
 * thanks.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 09:45, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
 * You're welcome, thank you. – Fayenatic  L ondon 10:27, 7 September 2018 (UTC)


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