Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 August 3



Category:Multidisciplinary Digital Publishing Institute academic journals

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. ℯ xplicit  06:56, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Multidisciplinary Digital Publishing Institute academic journals to Category:MDPI academic journals
 * Nominator's rationale: To match MDPI / List of MDPI academic journals and the actual name of the publisher. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 20:42, 3 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Support, makes sense to keep things matched. --Randykitty (talk) 09:12, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Support -- since MDPI is the name used, but it might be useful for the headnote to include an explanation: WP dislikes abbreviations, but short category names are good. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:32, 4 August 2018 (UTC)


 * MDPI is the actual name of the organization though. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 17:11, 4 August 2018 (UTC)


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Category:LGBT scientists of color

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 05:45, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting lgbt scientists of color


 * Nominator's rationale: Triple-intersection of sexual orientation with occupation with racial background. As always, we do not create categories for every possible combination of "people who happen to be X+Y+Z" as soon as that combination happens to describe two or more people; we categorize people on their WP:DEFINING characteristics, not on every individual characteristic or combination of characteristics that they happen to possess. The justification for this category would lie in the provision of reliable sources which discussed "LGBT scientists of colour" as a defined group distinct from both "LGBT scientists" and "scientists of colour" as a whole. But that analysis simply isn't there -- and furthermore, fully half the people here weren't "people of colour" in the relevant or potentially defining sense of being minorities: the entries include an Indian man who lived and worked in India, a Taiwanese woman who lives and works in Taiwan, a white Jew who lives and works in Israel, and a white Spaniard who lived and worked in Spain. But if a person is a member of the majoritarian group in their own country, then they're not defined by the fact that their ethnic background would land as a racial minority in a different country than the one they actually lived in. Bearcat (talk) 16:02, 3 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete (assuming all are already in appropriate parent categories) - it is not even an intersection as we don't have Category:Scientists of color or Category:People of color (fortunately). We do have these, a few of which are also perhaps dubious. Oculi (talk) 16:52, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per nominator....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 09:42, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete scientists don't do science differently due to being in the LGBT community or of color (however defined), they don't have separate awards like Nobel Prizes for LGBT Economist of Color, etc. so WP:CATGRS applies and these are improper. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 17:29, 6 August 2018 (UTC)


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Metropolitan boroughs

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 * The result of the discussion was:  at Categories for discussion/Log/2018 August 21. ℯ xplicit  00:16, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Knowsley to Category:Knowsley Borough (and tagged sub categories)
 * Propose renaming Category:Sefton to Category:Sefton Borough (and tagged sub categories)
 * Nominator's rationale: Both the articles are at Metropolitan Borough of Knowsley and Metropolitan Borough of Sefton. There is no evidence that the categories are also for the village (they aren't in the vilage category). Both Knowsley and Sefton have other meanings outside Merseyside and there is also a ward. The categores might be eligible for speedy renaming however we appear to generally use "Foo Borough" for categories, see Category:Metropolitan boroughs, see Categories for discussion/Log/2014 April 30, however this isn't the case for the corresponding Common categories. has also created some like Category:Barnsley Borough.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk )  10:33, 3 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment - usual rule is to follow the articles, ie Metropolitan Borough of Knowsley, Metropolitan Borough of Sefton. I agree that there should be a rename. Oculi (talk) 10:48, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Is it worth considering renaming the others then? The reason was apparently because they are easier to add with hotcat.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 10:56, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
 * There was an earlier cfd for London which simply used the article names: Sept 2008. Oculi (talk) 11:18, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
 * So the use of "Borough" for MBs appears to be local and should be changed to be consistent with the others. I now support using "Metropolitan Borough of...".  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 11:21, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose -- In theory there is a conflict with the village of Knowsley, Merseyside, but it already comes under this category as a grandchild, so that the conflict is an imagined one, not a real one. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:37, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Except that there is a Knowsley in Australia, Lancashire and South Africa. What I would say is that Knowsley, Merseyside should be moved to Knowsley per WP:DABCONCEPT but until then we should by default DAB.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 09:23, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Alternate Renames to Category:Metropolitan Borough of Knowsley and Category:Metropolitan Borough of Sefton to match the main articles, Metropolitan Borough of Knowsley and Metropolitan Borough of Sefton respectively. I'm not wild about those names but the category space should match the main articles to make navigation easier for readers.  (If and when a move nomination of those articles is proposed and passes, no objection to speedy renaming per WP:C2D.) 03:46, 6 August 2018 (UTC) RevelationDirect (talk) 14:16, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
 * It wouldn't be able to go through C2D because it would be ambiguous and because of this discussion, in addition because the wider district article would still be at Metropolitan Borough of Knowsley.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 13:49, 7 August 2018 (UTC)


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